Barbetti Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I now this topic has probably been brought up many times already. But what has DE stated on the possibility of dedicated servers? Yes, dedicated servers are more expensive to upkeep, but I see it as a worthy investment solely for the good of the game. There are many inherent issues with host-based matchmaking. Lag, host migration, loosing connection, etc... Dedicated servers were certainly alleviate many of those issues. Plus I'm sure there are other benefits to dedicated servers on DE's side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzatuw Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I now this topic has probably been brought up many times already. But what has DE stated on the possibility of dedicated servers? Yes, dedicated servers are more expensive to upkeep, but I see it as a worthy investment solely for the good of the game. There are many inherent issues with host-based matchmaking. Lag, host migration, loosing connection, etc... Dedicated servers were certainly alleviate many of those issues. Plus I'm sure there are other benefits to dedicated servers on DE's side. The game would no longer be F2P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaftMeat Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 +1 Buy more Plat so they can invest in this... >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExorcistEX Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 quetion is, how many server do they need to put on...I can imagine the cost will be too huge for them...player rent server? how many people will actually pay for the server... ok...if they are not charging us for the server then they will have to put up a lot of pdlc (those helmet...skins...colours...etc...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbetti Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 The game would no longer be F2P. I don't see how that is relevant. Hawken is F2P and has dedicated servers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methanoid Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 too expensive and would have to be setup in several countrys increasing cost. bad idea is bad idea, best system is just improving the matchmaking tool to iron out issues as best it can, matching ppl up in same country first before looking in other countrys etc, and having ppl be able to opt out of hosting if they know their pc isnt suitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExorcistEX Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I don't see how that is relevant. Hawken is F2P and has dedicated servers. People need to spend more money in that game in long term than Warframe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzatuw Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) I don't see how that is relevant. Hawken is F2P and has dedicated servers. This game is still in Beta so they can't afford to do so. Also Hawken is published by a company. WF is published by themselves. Edited March 28, 2014 by izzatuw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSI_Kryptix Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Its easy to say "We need more servers" but its hard for it to become reality, it is a huge expense for handling even one server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbetti Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 too expensive and would have to be setup in several countrys increasing cost. bad idea is bad idea, best system is just improving the matchmaking tool to iron out issues as best it can, matching ppl up in same country first before looking in other countrys etc, and having ppl be able to opt out of hosting if they know their pc isnt suitable. In all likelyhood, DE themselves would rent out dedicated servers from a DHS. So they would pay a service to rent out their servers that are already located world-wide. I don't remember the specifics, but I vaguely remember a game I used to play that rented servers from Verizon, I think. This game is still in Beta so they can't afford to do so. Again, I don't see the relevance. They are still putting out premium content you need to pay real money for, beta or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuyver Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 They should at least have some sort of dedicated server for the void missions requiring keys. I've been in WAY too many games with a laggy host that disconnected 10 seconds before evac or at wave 40 on a t3 defense. I don't really support it other than that, they are a huge expense after all and I'm sure DE would rather focus on fixing up the game and updating rather than server costs and management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherIcarus Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Well the problem is not money (Although it is a lot of money) it is the nature of the game it is only 4 player's and as much as we have all experianced lag in games it is an uncommon occurrence. Servers are not worth the time and cost for warframe as it currently is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avinity8 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Yes, dedicated servers are more expensive to upkeep, This, I almost had stop reading after this part, Lol This is your answer. +1 Buy more Plat so they can invest in this... >.> Otherwise more of this^ which most wouldn't like. I don't see how that is relevant. Hawken is F2P and has dedicated servers. People need to spend more money in that game in long term than Warframe... Incorrect. I started Warframe in August and Started Hawkens late September early October. I haven't spent ANYTHING for Hawkens and I'm a beast in that game. I usually get 3rd place or better. I've spent money in Warframe within the first month due to the fact for whatever reason Warframe charges for class slots. If I want 15 mechs in hawkens, I get them! If I want 15 frames in Warframe.... WAIT I have to buy slots for them first.... >_> I don't have to buy slots for 100+ champs in LoL or for any of the 500+ tanks in World of Tanks. There's so many other games that don't feed off this market tactic that DE does. Was playing Hawkens lastnight and having this discussion over newbs who join and assume it's P2W because they lack skills. You don't have to spend a dime nor waste your life grinding away to be top 3 in a match. It's skilled based, either learn to dodge and manage your heat and timing, etc etc or cry that it's P2W when anyone with any amount of skill can wreck shop with the Game's starting mech and gear. I accept any challenge to prove me otherwise I will start me the starter mech versus any pimped out mech anyone want to go with and stream it. If anything Warframe is more P2W/P2P than Hawkens, mostly simply to the fact you can't have more than 3 classes(frames) without paying real money. Or now recently, trade system, so grind your life away to get enough stuff to sale/trade for plat just to buy slots.... >_> #logic ---- Anyway, I'm against dedicated servers since that obviously will require more expenses which obviously DE will reflect back on us. Likely soon, materials/resources and reg frames will also be tradable. They've even started selling oxiums -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExorcistEX Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 They've even started selling oxiums -_- Look at this way 10plat = 300 oxiums 300 Oxiums will be around 10 runs in kappa which is around 2 hours of time... sell a few prime parts = 20 or more plat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avinity8 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Look at this way 10plat = 300 oxiums 300 Oxiums will be around 10 runs in kappa which is around 2 hours of time... sell a few prime parts = 20 or more plat... Which prime parts and how many? Since you have to, first farm those prime pts then find buyers after wasting time in trade chat. Which now has a 2min post delay or something? That or make threads on the forums to keep up with and compete with other threads bumping you out the way. Nevermind the fact that you have to first get the prime part in the first place (how long does it take on avg for the avg person to acquire a certain prime part?!) which others are selling the same 'common' prime parts. So you have to be 'lucky' RNG to get the most rare/desired prime parts and sale them. Those are all problematic situations... Market plow, it encourages/entices you to seek the 'easier route' (i.e. buying it via plat). I have no problem with this, since it's a factor to helping companies prosper/survive, I'm just pointing it out as a rebuttal to your reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbetti Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 It's not like Digital Extremes is a small studio that doesn't have the finances and resources for dedicated servers. They have 200+ employees. Revenue from Warframe isn't the only thing they get, either. DE's finances aside, have they actually commented on the possibility of dedicated servers either on the forums or in devstreams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturm-FalkeRDA Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Your not getting it, dedicaded servers as in the servers are hosted by the team somewhere, this is very expensive and if you check to see whos hosting a match before hand it is fine. I can easily host with 50 MBs down and 50 MBs up, another definition of this is the hub in replacement of the galaxy map, I think that would be hosted via a few dedicaded servers as instances as well. We are not talking about rented servers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harazard Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I don't see how that is relevant. Hawken is F2P and has dedicated servers. Hawken has an investor to keep the cash flowing for those servers while DE is purely solo with the only way to make money is selling the potatoes and Platinum and slots and cosmetics :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone_Tenno_Operative Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 L4D is 4 player(co-op), Killing Floor is 6 player they have dedicated servers DE doesn't have to host (spend money on) any dedicated servers, just let people / clans that want to pay for dedicated servers to do so , its that simple , you don't want to spend any money ,you play peer to peer, people that want to pay themselves for dedicated servers they have the option , i don't see any problem with that and actually this would make clanmates or friends from all over the world play together at any time without horrible lag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloaked Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I'm so glad we have network experts here on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbetti Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 Hawken has an investor to keep the cash flowing for those servers while DE is purely solo with the only way to make money is selling the potatoes and Platinum and slots and cosmetics :) Like I said, Digital Extremes's revenue isn't solely Warframe. They (probably) get plenty of royalties of past ports such as Bioschock and Bioshock 2, Homefront 2 PC, and the Unreal games. Plus I'm sure they still get some sort of royalty from Dark Sector. Then there's more recent games they developed themselves such as Star Trek (2013) and The Darkness 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deidaku Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Didn't they say those would come within the lobby system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mak_Gohae Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Like I said, Digital Extremes's revenue isn't solely Warframe. They (probably) get plenty of royalties of past ports such as Bioschock and Bioshock 2, Homefront 2 PC, and the Unreal games. Plus I'm sure they still get some sort of royalty from Dark Sector. Then there's more recent games they developed themselves such as Star Trek (2013) and The Darkness 2. Right but they have to pay for stuff like... the building they are in, the electricity, the water, all the those seats, the vacuums, etc, etc. They just hired a bunch of people for the PS4 launch, how much extra money to they have to spend on this game? I think they should have a sub service for folks that want servers but that will split the player base. They have to go all they way or not. Maybe after some time has passed and they have a steady stream that they can count on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Right but they have to pay for stuff like... the building they are in, the electricity, the water, all the those seats, the vacuums, etc, etc. They just hired a bunch of people for the PS4 launch, how much extra money to they have to spend on this game? I think they should have a sub service for folks that want servers but that will split the player base. They have to go all they way or not. Maybe after some time has passed and they have a steady stream that they can count on. DE arent exactly poor developers. But they might see profit in investing in servers at some point. Depending on game overall success and how many players are playing/paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnProdman Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Valve rents out servers through Steam, but that would alienate people who don't use Steam, or those who play on PS4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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