When Is Conclave Gonna Mean Something?

[Ajmasta]

Idk about any of you but at times conclave can be the most interesting thing going on in game on a regular day. I don't think it's just me to say that players want conclave to actually mean something in game. Give us some cosmetics  a title something cool. It is apparent DE you know how to make things cool, lol or make a tournament event ;) ...... just something alittle more satisfying than "Sun/Moon Wins YaY!" 

that is all

[tigrex]

never

[DofD]

never

 

ever, ever

[Vahlak]

Pvp should never have been a part of this game, and was added purely to appease the very, very minor pvp community.  Pretty sure it was stated that conclaves was ALL that would be added for pvp. 

 

There will be no pvp balancing, there will be very, very few pvp events(hopefully none) or updates at all.

 

 

 I should say, I have nothing against pvp, in many games it is a great thing. But warframe is a game where pvp has no place, the game was not designed with pvp of any kind in mind. There are too many weapons and frames that act so completely different that balancing is impossible.  The  DAY conclaves were released people were complaining about over powered weapons, such as ogris, one shotting them, and people calling for nerfs.

 Pvp also has the potential to breed a toxic community, especially in a situation where balance is impossible.

Edited March 30, 2014 by Vahlak

[Axeroix]

[Killerdude8]

Never.

This isn't a PvP focused game, Conclave is just there for S#&$s'n'giggles.

 

I highly doubt it will ever change from what it is currently.

The conclave we see today, is very likely to be the Conclave in the game when DE stops developing Warframe.

[mcKentucky]

If DE somehow take a glance at PVP side, I hope they will add Zombie(Infested?) Mode.

 

One side of the team will play as Butcher and/or Prodman and one team will play as Infested and Ancient.

 

I will play it anytime if I'm tired with RNG.

[Orbister]

I still don't get why all the NOPVP zealots are the very first ones to post "NO NO NO NO NO NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER" in threads started by people who clearly enjoy pvp, its like they are on the prowl to go and show how selfish and narrow-minded they are and oppose to anything different to what they like, what is this? the inquisition?... i don't do pvp but im in favour of anything that makes the game grow, if people enjoy pvp and they would enjoy an enhanced pvp experience and make them stay longer in warframe i welcome those changes.

Edited March 30, 2014 by Orbister

[Orbister]

Pvp should never have been a part of this game, and was added purely to appease the very, very minor pvp community.  Pretty sure it was stated that conclaves was ALL that would be added for pvp. 

 

There will be no pvp balancing, there will be very, very few pvp events(hopefully none) or updates at all.

 

 

 I should say, I have nothing against pvp, in many games it is a great thing. But warframe is a game where pvp has no place, the game was not designed with pvp of any kind in mind. There are too many weapons and frames that act so completely different that balancing is impossible.  The  DAY conclaves were released people were complaining about over powered weapons, such as ogris, one shotting them, and people calling for nerfs.

 Pvp also has the potential to breed a toxic community, especially in a situation where balance is impossible.

Try any competition in real life, any sport, maybe martial arts, and then come back and speak about balance, off course there are categories, but the fun part of any competition is to actually find the way to beat that opponent that seems impossible to beat, and off course, you improve during that process... a toxic community HAHAHAHA a toxic community is already one that thinks that can dictate what a part of it can and can not do or want or wish or ask for.

 

and do not bother replying i have said everything that needs to be said about people trying unsuccesfully to control what others think, say or even wish. I'm not following this thread either.

Edited March 30, 2014 by Orbister

[Llyssa]

Conclaves exist because a very vocal minority DEMANDED pvp, despit DE repeatedly saying "If we put PVP in, it's gonna suck, because the game isn't even remotely designed for it".

 

The minority persisted, no matter how much logic was thrown at them.

 

So DE gave up, and put in conclaves.

 

Conclave sucks just as much as everyone expected it to.

 

I am quite certain it's just you, I have never come across an unintentional conclave match. Nobody goes there. It isn't a popular sport.

 

It's there because you asked for it. That's all you're going to get.

 

"BUT WAIT" you say... "SHOULDN'T THERE BE PVP REWARDS?"

 

Well, no. Accounts are free in this game. A player could VERY easily create a second account, and just keep sending it in to "fight" against him. With nobody there, it's an auto win.

 

Or, if you claim there's some way around that? There's plenty of clans full of people who'd be willing to die to get their members free stuff.

 

So what's the point then? A "Wow, look how well I killed my friend when he let me" award? Stat tracking where you hope the host or the internet doesn't befoul things?

 

What would you expect to get? It's, for the most part, a race of "who can 1-shot the other team first?" If you can't 1-shot a tenno, you really just aren't trying. Even at the lowest conclave levels, we're kind of flimsy compared to what we can do.

Edited March 30, 2014 by Llyssa

[KingTaro]

I'm all for PvP-only cosmetics as long as you can only wear them in PvP. But in that case, DE needs a larger PvP public for it to be worth to put so much work into those cosmetics. And to attract the PvP-community, they need to polish the conclave first.

 

It's still far from being balanced, but DE already did a great job so far.

[cro-dog]

and do not bother replying i have said everything that needs to be said about people trying unsuccesfully to control what others think, say or even wish. I'm not following this thread either.

 

your typical pvp fan, folks

[Llyssa]

your typical pvp fan, folks

It's funny because he's listed on the bottom of the page as a person still viewing the thread.

[DMan]

why should it mean something?

[Deidaku]

With melee 2.0 we could get cool 1v1 duels.......jut for fun and honor XD

Edited March 30, 2014 by Deidaku

[Cuddley]

PvP is a poopfest of zealous morons anyway. Claiming superiority for their boltor Prime-viral combo and poop on everyone with very little effort. It simply wasn't fun being owned or owning. 

 

Although, getting some mates with no mods (No abilities, or buffs) with zero modded weapons, and just slugging it out. Who can dodge and strike without getting killed first is immensely fun.

 

If DE wanted PvP to be enjoyable, they'd have to make different frames, and weapons that are balanced and are specificity for PVP. But hells gotta freeze over before that happens.

[SALE94]

Sedna conclave is pretty balanced for most part.

[Dogoframe]

Any time/staff spent on improving PvP is not spent on fixing issues, old and new, that will (or would, if/when fixed) impact a pve co-op game much more.

 

Now, everytime this kind of suggestion pops up in the forums we thankfully have people here outraged by the idea of DE spending time and resources to give them yet another copy of a PvP game they could be playing if they wanted.

 

Maybe it has to do with the lack of difficulty perceived by many. Lazy newer generation gamers prefer to look for PvP in easier games instead of going for stablished, solid PVP only titles where they would be faced with higher skilled opponents. With the average Warframe player not being able to play MD in a way that doesnt screw other people's rewards, incapable of maximizing their own outcome to be a hallway hero instead, I can see why "must-own-noobs" types would look for more PvP in Warframe. Makes me think of those ducks in the shooting gallery.

[Ritchel]

if they lowered and balanced the damage on conclaves that will let us not 1 hit anyone , it might be fun

 

or mellee 2.0 might change how conclave is . i dont know, but its better if they also plan on conclaves, but its not the priority of all the things that they still need to improve.  

 

better stay away from it until its fun, very simple.

[AuroraSonicBoom]

I'm playing Warframe precisely because it lacks direct player vs. player competiton. Encouraging competition in a game designed around cooperation will always affect the established community negatively. PvP is at its core competitive. The less competition the better. The less PvP the better.

[Kaotyke]

The only way I see Conclave being more than the mediocre PvP we have, is making the leves scale with the Conclave you have and making only players around the same "level" to enter the mission or by invite.

[Dogoframe]

The only way I see Conclave being more than the mediocre PvP we have, is making the leves scale with the Conclave you have and making only players around the same "level" to enter the mission or by invite.

 

You mean, like a rating system that identifies the power of your frame and weapons before you are able to join a conclave room so that only evenly matched players (in equipment, mods, etc) can have a 30 min fun time between grinding in a PVE, co-op game?

 

Sure, sounds like a great way to utilize DE's resources... Imagine the time spent considering the differences between a Soma with rank 6 MOD X or same weapon with Rank 7 MOD X. Oh wait, its ingame already. DE already had to get those flippin' numbers approved, and they are not too good at communicating mind you, the first round of conclave rating brainstorming should have probably lasted longer than any of DE's staff worry for newbie experience on Earth... What in the kubrow's behind else do you pvp people want? Maybe, you know... Go play a free, PVP developed and focused game available? There are many around, search the forums for "Warframe PVP" and copy the games people suggest they want to turn Warframe into, and you got a decent starter list.

[Katakuna]

I hope pvp never develops into anything more than it already is: a side gig from the main game that gives no rewards and provides no leaderboards.  Something you play to mess around in and nothing else.

[Kaotyke]

You mean, like a rating system that identifies the power of your frame and weapons before you are able to join a conclave room so that only evenly matched players (in equipment, mods, etc) can have a 30 min fun time between grinding in a PVE, co-op game?

 

Sure, sounds like a great way to utilize DE's resources... Imagine the time spent considering the differences between a Soma with rank 6 MOD X or same weapon with Rank 7 MOD X. Oh wait, its ingame already. DE already had to get those flippin' numbers approved, and they are not too good at communicating mind you, the first round of conclave rating brainstorming should have probably lasted longer than any of DE's staff worry for newbie experience on Earth... What in the kubrow's behind else do you pvp people want? Maybe, you know... Go play a free, PVP developed and focused game available? There are many around, search the forums for "Warframe PVP" and copy the games people suggest they want to turn Warframe into, and you got a decent starter list.

..... Ok I wasnt clear enough on my post, I meant having the option of NORMAL levels scale with your conclave, not PvP.

[Dogoframe]

..... Ok I wasnt clear enough on my post, I meant having the option of NORMAL levels scale with your conclave, not PvP.

Mastery Rank or Warframe level? It will look like I am picking on you but not really, I am just annoyed by PvP suggestions that are not even taking reality into consideration. Mastery Rank means I can create a new account (its free anyway) and even trade me some nice MODs to keep unranked in Conclave. I think the lowest level Conclave will be a pouplar place for noob-pwnage since a new account with a couple MODs that cannot be found before you progress in the game will surely dominate there.

 

Warframe level? Well... I am rank 11 and have all the frames in my garage with the exception of regular Frost, some primes and Zelphyr (she is in the oven as we speak). I could, without any trouble whatsoever, delete my rank 30, say, Mag, and make a new one. I lost the reactor I invested in her anyways as my Mag Prime is potato'd as well and comes with an extra polarity, so no loss. Voila, got me a brand new Conclave Mag with rank 0, and free Pull.

 

Get your stuff together, PvP folks... DE as company is struggling to make sense to many of us, people who have supported the game have time and time again shown that no matter how much they love DE at times, they are taking wrong turns with stuff, contrary to even feedback given by those loyal supporters.

 

Go play a game where PvP was focus from day one. Asking DE to even think about PvP more spells DOOM because they are, in the opinion of a goodly number of people, confused and taking wrong turns in matters that come with the pve co-op format they choose. Dont ask them to try to improve their game AND give you pvp monkeys a copy of something you can get in a download faster than you type inconsistencies on the forums.

 

It is like suggesting a prince albert to someone having problems with their balls, sheesh.