(PSN)unclemonster Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 DE please explain to me why you couldn't add the $139 Rhino Prime Package using the excuse that it had to be a lower price overall (per Sony rules) to put in the PSN store This in fact CANNOT be true. 1. games with season pass sell on PSN for $119 2. Ember Prime was $139 (sold via PSN) 3. You CURRENTLY have a platinum package that is $149 ON PSN RIGHT NOW AS WE LIVE AND BREATHE! 100% CONTRADICTION! your claims that it couldn't be added due to overall price is NOT TRUE! You chose to simply short the PS4 community on platinum. I would appreciate an answer as I have spent a good amount of money on this game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Megan Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Hey unclemonster, we understand the frustrations about PS4 Prime Access. I posted some insight about PS4 Prime Access if you haven't seen it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)fingernageldreck Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) I didnt followed this whole thing too much since i was lucky enough to have a ember prime access, but megan why were we told that there was no other option due to sonys wallet restrictions. Wallet cap is 150€/$. Otherwise i could have not bought the ember prime access. So the deal was bad but the explanation that was given was even worse... I still like the game, but i dont know who had the idea to come up with that "deal". Edited March 31, 2014 by (PS4)fingernageldreck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)unclemonster Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) Hey unclemonster, we understand the frustrations about PS4 Prime Access. I posted some insight about PS4 Prime Access if you haven't seen it yet. What I want is an HONEST ANSWER! I have been through the entire forum many times. From what I have read...blame has been placed on Sony store policies monetary limits. What I don't and can't comprehend: How can DE in fact currently have a $149 platinum package for sale via PSN... yet DE is "not permitted by Sony" to sell a $139 Rhino Prime Package... This is simply not true. The last thing that I want to do is bash what DE does, as I am usually very supportive and the game itself is awesome. My clan mates and I have invested a lot of money into this game. After the Rhino Prime release, 2 of my team mates have already abandoned the game for good. One of them had already spent $400 on this game (as have I). It just seems very unfair what we were offered via Rhino Prime, and I too am still struggling with it. I was very, very close to jumping to Titanfall for good, instead I purchased the $79 pack for the time being. I would have easily purchased the $139 package again, instead I am left with a bitter $79 purchase. I have basically lost faith in your company and I do not know if I will continue to support the game much longer without proper resolution. I do not whine about Founders packs (I understand), delayed updates vs pc (I understand), retired weapons (I understand) or other differences that cannot be helped. This is completely different and basically totally unfair. You as a company should be ashamed of yourselves for treating your PS4 customers like this and not coming up with a better solution for us... That is all I have to say... Edited March 31, 2014 by (PS4)unclemonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Megan Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 We're not blaming Sony for anything, we have to work with what we're given and through continuous discussion this package was made. The main issue was the inability to upgrade between packs on the PSN store. By mirroring what the PC Prime Access advertised on the PS4 without the ability to upgrade would be unfair. We thought by splitting up the Stomp pack essentially by offering Roar pack and Accessories this would offer PS4 players better options. This was not received with 100% love and we understand that. We've discussed new options each time a Prime Access program goes live and we will continue to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)unclemonster Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 We're not blaming Sony for anything, we have to work with what we're given and through continuous discussion this package was made. The main issue was the inability to upgrade between packs on the PSN store. By mirroring what the PC Prime Access advertised on the PS4 without the ability to Upgrade would be unfair. We thought by splitting up the Stomp pack essentially by offering Roar pack and Accessories this would offer PS4 players better options. This was not received with 100% love and we understand that. We've discussed new options each time a Prime Access program goes live and we will continue to do so. not being able to upgrade packs is completely understandable and would not have been an issue. What DE DID DO, is in fact probably the most unfair thing that could be done... This is console racism at it's finest. I cannot comprehend or understand why you would not offer the full pack along with the other packs. That is what makes ZERO sense to me... How could you possibly think it would go well with PS4 users? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evers Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Lol if every PC only gamer would flame that much when the consols are getting something better or exclusiv even though they are worse then the PC :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Darkrai848 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) I 100% agree this was the worst way that I could think of to release the pack... I caved in and bought it but I'm still very unhappy about it and if it is not changed it will be my last prime access... that is if I can get over the fact I feel ripped off and they fix it I might buy another one... and I'm still vary disappointed in the lack of the shamrock colors... the shamrock colors where just another SHAM for the ps4 players. Edited March 31, 2014 by (PS4)Darkrai848 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ground.Zero Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I don't understand why would you spend more money if you're upset with the business model. It's like complaining that you're holding something hot and it's burning your hands, but you refuse to put it down, you said yourself you've spent $400 already, it's not as if you're short on platinum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent_of_Change Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) This is console racism at it's finest. Wahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha lol. Wow that's a bit of hyperbole. So you have an issue (ok fine) and you are unsatisfied with the answers you have received (understandable depending on the perspective). But you gone on to throw a tantrum on the forums, and invoke the above... for the sake of polite society I'm gonna say, laughable talking point. I mean wow. I'm not even going to sit here and tell you about the Glorious Golden PC Master Race and how games are just better on the PC...(oops), what I am going to say is you should probably take a deep breath and use arguments that don't cause spasms of incoherent laughter, I think you'll find you get a better reception. Edited March 31, 2014 by Agent_of_Change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)unclemonster Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 I don't understand why would you spend more money if you're upset with the business model. It's like complaining that you're holding something hot and it's burning your hands, but you refuse to put it down, you said yourself you've spent $400 already, it's not as if you're short on platinum. completely OUT OF PLATINUM, & want to buy full package.... I can afford whatever, but it's the point... I had faith that DE would offer some sort of resolution, but that faith is dwindling... I have a 6-man clan with a decked out dojo. It cost a lot of platinum funded by 2 of us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jin_Kazama Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 When in doubt, Farm it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)unclemonster Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) Wahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha lol. Wow that's a bit of hyperbole. So you have an issue (ok fine) and you are unsatisfied with the answers you have received (understandable depending on the perspective). But you gone on to throw a tantrum on the forums, and invoke the above... for the sake of polite society I'm gonna say, laughable talking point. I mean wow. I'm not even going to sit here and tell you about the Glorious Golden PC Master Race and how games are just better on the PC...(oops), what I am going to say is you should probably take a deep breath and use arguments that don't cause spasms of incoherent laughter, I think you'll find you get a better reception. I don't see your point...I do see my point though... pc=master race=4,200+platinum console=peasant=2,600+platinum CONSOLE RACISM! Edited March 31, 2014 by (PS4)unclemonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatPhoenix Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I think the only good work around to this possible thing with PSN in the future is to have fixed pricing for each of the tiers, and simply say this is for whatever the current prime package may be, generic in description,go to this website for the current package details, and be done with it if Sony is giving you so many troubles. Not that this helps with the situation now, this is all 20/20 hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent_of_Change Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I don't see your point...I do see my point though... pc=master race=4,200+platinum console=peasant=2,600+platinum CONSOLE RACISM! What I see is a knee jerk rage. PC has near to 0 restrictions on how things need to / can be implemented, PS4 is heavily restricted by Sony. You won't accept that as an answer, you use one of the stupidest arguments in existence as your core point, and then you get mad at DE. If any one is causing... hehhehehehhahahaha, (man i can't even say it), any way if anyone/thing is causing your issue it is Sony making PS4 more restrictive than an open platform like the PC, because of their proprietary hold on it. And hey Sony is definitely biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)ShadowDancing- Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 What I want is an HONEST ANSWER! I have been through the entire forum many times. From what I have read...blame has been placed on Sony store policies monetary limits. What I don't and can't comprehend: How can DE in fact currently have a $149 platinum package for sale via PSN... yet DE is "not permitted by Sony" to sell a $139 Rhino Prime Package... This is simply not true. The last thing that I want to do is bash what DE does, as I am usually very supportive and the game itself is awesome. My clan mates and I have invested a lot of money into this game. After the Rhino Prime release, 2 of my team mates have already abandoned the game for good. One of them had already spent $400 on this game (as have I). It just seems very unfair what we were offered via Rhino Prime, and I too am still struggling with it. I was very, very close to jumping to Titanfall for good, instead I purchased the $79 pack for the time being. I would have easily purchased the $139 package again, instead I am left with a bitter $79 purchase. I have basically lost faith in your company and I do not know if I will continue to support the game much longer without proper resolution. I do not whine about Founders packs (I understand), delayed updates vs pc (I understand), retired weapons (I understand) or other differences that cannot be helped. This is completely different and basically totally unfair. You as a company should be ashamed of yourselves for treating your PS4 customers like this and not coming up with a better solution for us... That is all I have to say... In all likelihood you got an honest answer. DE and Sony both have legal and contractual obligations to honor (or inflict). These are typically very complicated, and anything involving international sales is much much harder than you'd think. There is a reason why Amazon can't sell movies and tv online to so many regions world wide, and it has nothing to do with their technical ability or honesty. Yes, it sucks we won't get the full amount of platinum. It's also unfortunate that DE didn't foresee this customer reaction and respond better / more proactively. It's also not clear to me what stops DE from gifting the difference to the people who buy both packages. Probably fing lawyers. Nevertheless, accusing them, without any factual basis of dishonesty and bad faith is really inappropriate and non-constructive. I'm sorry your imagination is so limited that dishonesty is the only thing you believe can explain all this. As someone who works in a related industry, I can professionally assure you that is not the case. DE could well be less than fully honest about this, but there are many nooks and crannies with contracts and lawyers that are much more likely sources. Also, Titanfall is COD and Pacific Rim had a baby. It's pretty cool, but not even remotely in the same genre as Warframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)AndyTheDestroyer Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Look the bottom line is DE does it's best with what they are given to work with. I am frankly sick and tired of PS4 users constantly pissed off about what happens on the PC side. Simply, they cannot do everything they do on the PC side on the PS4 side. It is a fact of life, if you don't like it then either quit the game or buy a PC and play it on there. YOU choose to buy platinum packs. I have been playing for a few months now and i have earned roughly 12,000 platinum hustling and grinding. I have every warframe and all primes and i have not spent one cent of my own money. Stop whining already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandoran_Stallion Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) I don't buy prime access or founders. I just buy plat. If you want to make up for your loss, farm the prime, buy the accessories, and finish with the posts that you're spamming the forums with. It's the same way on either platform. Edited March 31, 2014 by Letter13 let's not be disrespectful now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)edwinp426 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) The whole thing about the prime access seems unfair but I believe both DE and Sony are to share in the responsibility of making the users happy. I find it funny how pc people always say PS4 users complain too much about equality when we all know they would be complaining about the same thing were they in our position. Also I think DE should know by now that we PS4 users will demand equality anytime we are not treated fairly so this sort of thing should not be happening this late in the game. Edited March 31, 2014 by (PS4)edwinp426 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)unclemonster Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 What I see is a knee jerk rage. PC has near to 0 restrictions on how things need to / can be implemented, PS4 is heavily restricted by Sony. You won't accept that as an answer, you use one of the stupidest arguments in existence as your core point, and then you get mad at DE. If any one is causing... hehhehehehhahahaha, (man i can't even say it), any way if anyone/thing is causing your issue it is Sony making PS4 more restrictive than an open platform like the PC, because of their proprietary hold on it. And hey Sony is definitely biased. Per several forum posts...DE tried to claim they couldn't allow the full package because sony restricted total of $139 after ps4 was sold in other regions with smaller wallet allocations. this is not true...DE still has $149 platinum pack available...so you tell me what is going on since you obviously know everything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Pengu_Imperialus Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 What I see is a knee jerk rage. PC has near to 0 restrictions on how things need to / can be implemented, PS4 is heavily restricted by Sony. You won't accept that as an answer, you use one of the stupidest arguments in existence as your core point, and then you get mad at DE. If any one is causing... hehhehehehhahahaha, (man i can't even say it), any way if anyone/thing is causing your issue it is Sony making PS4 more restrictive than an open platform like the PC, because of their proprietary hold on it. And hey Sony is definitely biased. You know Sony is getting a cut. So they probably are getting a per sale slice and what better way than to force DE to split the package. This is all conjecture but what would the Internet be without rampant and Unsupported speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)unclemonster Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 Look the bottom line is DE does it's best with what they are given to work with. I am frankly sick and tired of PS4 users constantly &!$$ed off about what happens on the PC side. Simply, they cannot do everything they do on the PC side on the PS4 side. It is a fact of life, if you don't like it then either quit the game or buy a PC and play it on there. YOU choose to buy platinum packs. I have been playing for a few months now and i have earned roughly 12,000 platinum hustling and grinding. I have every warframe and all primes and i have not spent one cent of my own money. Stop whining already. I work full time so I can't grind as much as I would like to... I posted I have zero issues with anything else between pc/ps4... Rhino Prime Access pack is SIMPLY UNFAIR... you said it yourself, you have all day to play and don't spend ANY money. Obviously this doesn't directly affect your personal platinum immediately so you wouldnt understand my frustrations. In the long run, it will affect you, because PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT ARE PAYING FOR THE UPDATES HAVE A RIGHT TO VOICE FRUSTRATIONS WHEN SOMETHING IS NOT FAIR. I DON'T LET PEOPLE WALK ALL OVER ME AND I WILL VOICE WHATEVER I CHOOSE. MY MONEY SPENT GIVES ME THAT RIGHT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)unclemonster Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 I don't buy prime access or founders. I just buy plat. If you want to make up for your loss, farm the prime, buy the accessories, and finish with the posts that you're spamming the forums with. It's the same way on either platform. I'm not spamming the forums...YET... might gather my clan to start now, thanks for the idea.. it is not the same, pc gets 1,600+ more platinum for almost the same money ($10less).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) Players on PC can upgrade their Prime Access. If I buy a lower pack, I can just pay the difference to get the next step up if I want to upgrade. I might be wrong, but it sounds like that wasn't an option for PS4 players during Ember Prime Access (I.E. you bought something and you were stuck with it. If you wanted to upgrade, you had to pay full value instead of the difference). DE tried to open that option up to PS4 players by splitting it into parts, so "upgrading" was a possibility. I'm not spamming the forums...YET... might gather my clan to start now, thanks for the idea.. it is not the same, pc gets 1,600+ more platinum for almost the same money ($10less).. You're liable to get banned for that, and I will have no pity at all for you when it happens. You're little more than a child throwing a temper tantrum at that point. Edited March 31, 2014 by Vargras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)unclemonster Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) Players on PC can upgrade their Prime Access. If I buy a lower pack, I can just pay the difference to get the next step up if I want to upgrade. I might be wrong, but it sounds like that wasn't an option for PS4 players during Ember Prime Access (I.E. you bought something and you were stuck with it. If you wanted to upgrade, you had to pay full value instead of the difference). DE tried to open that option up to PS4 players by splitting it into parts, so "upgrading" was a possibility. You're liable to get banned for that, and I will have no pity at all for you when it happens. You're little more than a child throwing a temper tantrum at that point. The only thing that we want, is the ability to purchase $139 pack and get 4,200+ platinum... I am not asking for upgrade possibilities. I am asking for equal platinum possibility. 2,600 plat vs 4,200 plat is not fair at all! It's not a temper tamtrum...it's venting frustration as a consumer. I have that right having spent $400 on this game.. I also brought other players over (5 others) that have spent $200-400 each... you do the math... Edited March 31, 2014 by (PS4)unclemonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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