So With The New Melee System Implemented(If Successful), Which Warframes Do You Think Will Raise In Power? A Meta Shift, If U Will

[Monolake]

They're making the combo counter apply to Ash's ult.

Also Ash's ult will do more damage if he's in smokebomb.

Ash will move up to mid tier at least. They're basically making his ult count as melee.

They're even letting steel charge apply to its damage.

sounds to me like he will be OP, and its not like he is gagbage now, no matter what the clueless masses think,  Ash with Galatine  will last in survival far longer than most of the other frames, but  its the 'who needs Ash when you have Loki' thing

 

 

 

 Frost's cc 

uhhm, I have bad news for you...

Edited April 1, 2014 by Monolake

[IANOBW]

He can pick people up and drop them, which is nice, but seeing as it only lasts for a second or two, does mediocre damage and isn't nearly as useful as Vauban or Frost's cc for example, it's pretty much negligible. 

 

First of all, you cant compare it to vauban's bastille. Theres nothing like it.

 

Second of all, it's damage is actually realy good, and the ability to force health orbs is essential. Not that I'm doubting frost. Both have different powers that are hard to compare.

[Buddhakingpen]

Oberon has no crowd control? Since when?

 

If you say that reckoning spam counts as legit cc in the ENDGAME, then plz add me in game. i'd like to see.When i tried a reckoning spam build, unless i had a launcher, i had enough time to kill 3, MAYBE four targets before they could get up and just start shooting at me again. Rage/equilibrium does keep him spamming away though, which would keep him healthy in return.  But its a lot of work to do all of that when u could use, say a single stomp from rhino instead of 4 reckonings and get rid of the same amount of targets by shooting them in stasis

[SanityRobot]

Wait, why is oberon low tier? Hell, why would you tier frames in a PvE game?

 

Because the game is objective based. Or farm based depending on how cynical you are.

 

Achieving that objective faster is...better. Until the game is more about exploration than farming as quickly as possible, the frames that are most efficient at farming will be "top tier".

[Braini]

Her role on a team. Its not about her directly doing damage. its the amount of utility in just her ultimate. It boosts damage and gives a strong, long range aoe slow. a rhino roar, plus mprime is a 700% damage boost, plus chain blast damage as they die.as long as she has someone to keep her safe (excalibur,rhino,trinity,vauban) She is capable of providing a lot for the team. Plus since mprime doesnt scale down on its slow or damage buff, with negative duration an efficiency maxing build is really viable, meaning that nova can pump out a 25 energy damage boosting power slow. and since mprimes utility doesnt scale down from power damage either (the explosions do, but thats not where the real damage comes from come endgame) you can maximize both power range and power efficiency and not be punished, so enemies basically permanently move and attack 50 percent slower so long as you have 25 energy, which is easy to do, since nova has a - polarity and can equip energy siphon

I thought this thread has to do with implementing the new melee system.

If you're saying she is awesome now and will remain awesome, then I guess you're right, although it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the upcoming update.

[IANOBW]

If you say that reckoning spam counts as legit cc in the ENDGAME, then plz add me in game. i'd like to see.When i tried a reckoning spam build, unless i had a launcher, i had enough time to kill 3, MAYBE four targets before they could get up and just start shooting at me again. Rage/equilibrium does keep him spamming away though, which would keep him healthy in return.  But its a lot of work to do all of that when u could use, say a single stomp from rhino instead of 4 reckonings and get rid of the same amount of targets by shooting them in stasis

 

Ever used natural talent?

[Ttariel]

Gotta love Forumframe, we cannever make our mind about the tier of something.

We should just make a new tier called nachos and put every frame in it.

[NjaII]

Valkyr is a low-risk bet.

 

I'll be damned if Valkyr is not buffed.

[SanityRobot]

Also, curious, is the Frost Avalanche bug still in the game?

 

Freezing the entire map near indefinitely is pretty stronk.

[IANOBW]

Also, curious, is the Frost Avalanche bug still in the game?

 

Freezing the entire map near indefinitely is pretty stronk.

 

Not any more, sadly

[Buddhakingpen]

I thought this thread has to do with implementing the new melee system.

If you're saying she is awesome now and will remain awesome, then I guess you're right, although it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the upcoming update.

Its just about how good a frame is, being able to abuse the melee system may make some frames better. I only mentioned nova because someone asked why is nova top tier. most people made the thread about the tier list and not the actual topic of who will improve in melee 2.0

[Tacritan]

He's trolling.. He must be trolling :P

[(PSN)x35_DOuBLeTReYx]

Oberon brings no CC, and Nekros' CC makes targets run all over the damn place and come back with friends. Further, Nekros' minions tend to interrupt the fire of any allies, and he's a very soft frame with no defenses beyond Terrify.

 

Worse, neither frame has any scaling abilities whatsoever. Nekros is a loot specialist and that makes him handy for extra personals in SV, but Oberon doesn't even have a niche at all.

 

Neither can significantly alter the battlefield the way that Chaos, Blessing or MPrime can.

1. Reckoning is a very good CC as it gives you some breathing room

2. Terrify also give you breathing room and S.O.T.D reduces fire on you

[Braini]

Its just about how good a frame is, being able to abuse the melee system may make some frames better. I only mentioned nova because someone asked why is nova top tier. most people made the thread about the tier list and not the actual topic of who will improve in melee 2.0

I was the one who asked that, but you still didn't explain. I still don't know why does Nova get a boost in melee 2.0 ? She can help others do damage regardless if they're shooting mobs, blowing them up or cutting them in half. I expected a list of warframes that actually get something out of melee 2.0, like skills that are currently useless and will be OP after the update.

I'm sorry but this thread isn't on topic.

[AcholSucks]

who ever's been voting with you are probably player who just started the game 1 day ago. please go play the game for another 3-4 months and come back 

[--Sensei--]

sounds to me like he will be OP, and its not like he is gagbage now, no matter what the clueless masses think,  Ash with Galatine  will last in survival far longer than most of the other frames, but  its the 'who needs Ash when you have Loki' thing

 

 

 

uhhm, I have bad news for you...

 

Ash also has higher HP and shield than Loki I think? Too lazy to check the wiki right now but his base stats are higher or something in that area? So that should help if he takes hits "somehow?"

[Buddhakingpen]

Ever used natural talent?

Yeah. I had a full reckoning build. natural talent,fleeting expertise,streamline,stretch, overextended,intensify, equilibrium,rage, vigor and renewal 

[IANOBW]

Yeah. I had a full reckoning build. natural talent,fleeting expertise,streamline,stretch, overextended,intensify, equilibrium,rage, vigor and renewal 

 

And you don't find the stun usefull at all?

[Buddhakingpen]

I was the one who asked that, but you still didn't explain. I still don't know why does Nova get a boost in melee 2.0 ? She can help others do damage regardless if they're shooting mobs, blowing them up or cutting them in half. I expected a list of warframes that actually get something out of melee 2.0, like skills that are currently useless and will be OP after the update.

I'm sorry but this thread isn't on topic.

 

oh you just misunderstood then. the tier list i just made right now is for the current patch. I was saying who could move up, or who could move down that ladder of viability.. Melee 2.0 could easily change who is as important.

[Buddhakingpen]

And you don't find the stun usefull at all?

the knockdown? of course, but their are abilities that disable opponents for longer for a much cheaper cost. like mags pull. Using the same build on mag i'll get four times the knockdowns,longer ranges, and other useful moves. excalibur radial blind, which is only 50 energy gives 15 seconds total of incapacitation(5 second stun, 10 second blind). rhino keeps them in stasis so they're free dinner... get how he's just outclassed? I'm not saying reckoning is a useless move, oberon is a god frame low-mid levels. but he just doesnt scale as well. He's more work and energy for what should be the same payoff. Granted, he's useful in some compositions with enough cc and no trinity.

[Hyunsai]

Guys, your frame of choice didn't make it to the top tiers, you're butthurt, we get it. OP already stated some people would not agree on this list.

 

Now if we could discuss  which frames will getting the most of the new melee system, that would be cool.

 

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I agree that Excalibur could be extremely good if the melee damage vastly outperforms the most powerful range weapons he can use right now. If not, not much will change.

 

Same with Frost if they bring back Avalanche stun.

 

 

In the end, it's as I always said. As long as guns and powers are more practical, less dangerous and kill groups in less than one second, melee will still be a fun stylish tool and nothing more. UNLESS they make some mobs resistant to guns/power, and weak to melee.

Edited April 1, 2014 by Hyunsai

[Neutralred]

Yeah. I had a full reckoning build. natural talent,fleeting expertise,streamline,stretch, overextended,intensify, equilibrium,rage, vigor and renewal 

Explain to me where you fit Reckoning then? ;)

 

And you don't find the stun usefull at all?

Rhino does it faster for longer, and the enemies are off the floor so that players can still gain benefit from punch-throughs and can line up their shots more easily. Reckoning's just a knockdown for the period after the lift, during which Obie is incapacitated as well, and Stomp comes with a free knockdown at the end of an extensive stun.

 

But the big difference is where Rhino also has a very useful, reliable group buff, good mobility and high personal survivability. Most Rhinos won't have all of those, but the flexibility of Rhino makes him easily better than Oberon. Yet some still argue he's mid-tier at best. So yeah, Oberon may be fun to ragdoll enemies with, but he's not exactly the most effective.

[Ritchel]

will stll be loki master race and press 4 to win

idk how mellee system will affect frames 

 

its not ability 2.0 

[Virtus_Dei_Est]

This is kinda a dumb thing. Rhino's only good till T2. His Iron skin deteriorates quickly.  

 

funny, i have a maxed blind rage and can stand still in 40 minutes t3 survivals, absorbing all damage with my iron skin (you can add intensify for more awesomeness).

you have a buff for the entire team and a CC ulti power.

 

really, not only to you but for others, start asking before saying something is only good for X tier.

 

also Oberon is a joke, everything he does other frames does better (should be one of the starters frames instead of loki).

nekros is a one trick pony (go for nyx or booben if you want real CC).

 

on topic:

 

valkyr (melee frame)

ash (+400% melee damage)

loki (+400% melee damage)

rhino (tank)

trinity (tank / god mode)

excalibur (+400% melee damage)

Edited April 1, 2014 by omega_phoenix

[Neutralred]

Excalibru is already experiencing a surge in popularity thanks to the Hayden skin. If melee 2.0 arrives soon enough to ride that wave, Excal's likely to end up on many folks' top lists thanks to RB.

 

Valkyr's supporters have been trying to make their voices heard as far as buffing her for melee 2.0 is concerned. As the true melee-focussed frame, I suspect she'll see some decent buffs.

 

Nothing could really push Ash back further, so he can only go up. He may become a combo-monster, but the length of that ulti will still be a balking point for some. Doubt he'll see the true top tiers.

 

I'm going to go for a tangent here and say Trinity will be a big winner, with her on-demand stun, CC redirect and ability to close without having to worry much about knockdowns etc.