The Only Issue With New Vay Hek Is...

[Khunvyel]

...conformity. Not knowing what I talk about? Let me elaborate:

 

Upon setting foot in the assassination mission of Everest, Lotus informs us about COUNCILOR Vay Hek.

He is supposed to be the DIRECTOR of the SOL COUNCIL.

Formerly entrusted with settling diplomatic disputes between the VARIOUS RACES of the Solar system. I'm not even getting to these other races, I am sure they will be revealed in time. While it is mentioned how he needs to be disposed due to him abusing his privileges, it beckons a single question:

 

How will you adapt the Lore? How, in the name of the fricking Void, is someone supposed to be in such a position when they look more resembling an ED-209 or a W40K Dreadnought (well, more like this actually), not to mention all other various bipedal Mechs running around?

 

The only thing I can think of is having Hek being killed by the Tenno, as the old assassination mission goes, and then perhaps have him re-incarnated from what little remained of his flesh (or cloned anew from the "last save state"). Having this with a new voice-over and changing the Codex entry would be absolutely amazing; Lotus saying how he was killed by Tenno, but made his return in a much more dangerous form. Not Director of the Sol Council any more, and out to kill.

 

Because if you keep the old Lore it would be... well... "unfitting" to say the least. At least in my head;

 

Generic Councilor A: "We should talk about lowering the taxes on solar rail travel and customs for certain goods which are purchased a lot by the other, less economically powerful races. This would settle the increasing disputes and disparity between the mar-..."

Corpus Councilor 1: "WHAT? are you out of your mind?! If they want to afford luxury, those lowly infidels simply need to work HARDER."

Generic Councilor B: "I can see both of you having a point" *turns to Hek* "Director, what do you th-..."

Director Vay Hek: "Lowering Taxes to level solar unrest?    DID YOU REALLY BELIEVE ... IT WOULD BE... THIS... EASY?!" *sticks shotgun hands in Generic Councilor A's face and blasts it to smithereens*

*nobody objects, the matter it is not brought up again, other discussions continue*

 

Council Chamber Guard: *grabs his communicator and mumbles* "We need an extra group of heavy duty janitors after this meeting is over. And painters would be good."

Someone on the comm: "Did you have a Hek moment?"

Council Chamber Guard: "Yes, we had a Hek moment..."

Someone on the comm: "Dude needs to chill, seriously."

Council Chamber Guard: "His... cooling gas tanks show green status lights, so they are perfectly functio-..."

Someone on the comm: "I didn't mean it like that... oh nevermind. Janitors and painters are informed. Anything else?"

Council Chamber Guard: "I think the ladies dig his nose, perhaps I should..."

Someone on the comm: *hangs up*

[tveeggad]

... It's the Grineer?

[quan256]

Or that is just his battlesuit, the main body of Hek can be detached from the lower one.

 

[(PSN)Pengu_Imperialus]

Or that is just his battlesuit, the main body of Hek can be detached from the lower one.

 

a lot of grineer are machine from the waste down anyway. I agree

[Morec0]

Like the Grineer function as we do. Remember the PS4 trailer? Vor nervosed the commanding officer to death and then took command of his forces. No doubt there will be some alterations to his quotes and a maybe a few tweaks to his lore, but it's not like the Grineer are ABOVE shooting each other (ESPECIALLY Hek).

[AnatharsWrath]

i always assumed that the vay-hek you kill on earth is nothing more than a body-double clone and the real one is just hiding somewhere.

[rapt0rman]

The grineer in general seem pretty unstable, but Hek probably just straight up lost his marbles, and is now over-stepping his boundaries with no superiors to stop him. Even Sargus Ruk (the guy who likes to crush corpus skulls and drink their greedy milk) Didn't think Hek's desision of releasing the gustrag three was a good idea (Shik Tal's codex entry).

Edited April 1, 2014 by rapt0rman

[Cpl_Facehugger]

How will you adapt the Lore? How, in the name of the fricking Void, is someone supposed to be in such a position when they look more resembling an ED-209 or a W40K Dreadnought (well, more like this actually), not to mention all other various bipedal Mechs running around?

Gunboat diplomacy? I mean, if someone who looks like a giant robot with a four barreled shotgun tells you to sit down and negotiate, would you really tell him no?

[Tiqalicious]

I don't really understand what people find difficult about this. Grineer politics are brutal, this has been shown time and time again yet people still think it's weird that vay hek has such a big role in the grineer operations and now it's apparently weird that he even holds the title he does. We've seen the Grineer's idea of diplomacy and it is not pretty.

[Khunvyel]

I think people are missing the point. I am not arguing Grineer politics and neither am I arguing how they are built, etc. I know they are heavily augmented and dislike other races.

 

What I am wondering is how this is going to fit on the long run, and while gunboat diplomacy has it's perks, it can and will only get you so far. I didn't want to question how a GRINEER of all could become the director of the Sol Council. perhaps that was from a time when they were not as brutal and offensive as we know them? We don't know.

If I would argue the politics, I'd be wondering why not a Corpus is head of the Sol council. Then again, the entire point is moot because we don't even know the state of the system anyway. Because if they act like this violent foreign policy all the time, then they would have the entire solar system against them and we pretty much failed as Tenno doing our job balancing the powerblocks.

 

I do want to side with the point of detachable augmentations, and he simply "switches" out for a new look, I really do. I just don't know if this is part of the Grineer mentality. I see them embracing their cybernetics as their deteriorated flesh is weak, and I can see them loathe the cybernetics for they just replace what should normally be fully functional. I honestly can't tell if it was one way or the other, both is possible.

 

If he remains true in this form by all means, and has no detachable body parts, then I still think it might be a nice touch to let him be killed by Tenno, and he comes back, OR we get more Lore or actual information about which favours we got in the Council... as this was also mentioned by Lotus, but nowhere else elaborated.

 

As for the picture itself; the split-apart suit doesn't necessarily mean that it CAN be dismounted, it might just be a sketch for overview's sake?

[Abenoki]

The grineer in general seem pretty unstable, but Hek probably just straight up lost his marbles, and is now over-stepping his boundaries with no superiors to stop him. Even Sargus Ruk (the guy who likes to crush corpus skulls and drink their greedy milk) Didn't think Hek's desision of releasing the gustrag three was a good idea (Shik Tal's codex entry).

 

this, its been pretty well established i think that vay hek is not exactly stable, hes gone off the deep end trying to get rid of the tenno. First with the G3, now with a full body overhaul (or just major upgrade with an exosuit).

[Khunvyel]

this, its been pretty well established i think that vay hek is not exactly stable, hes gone off the deep end trying to get rid of the tenno. First with the G3, now with a full body overhaul (or just major upgrade with an exosuit).

Absolutely, yes! It is a wonderful progression! I am just wondering how they will fit this into existing lore, that is all. It would be very nice to have a bit of game-play history connected in there.

[Paradoxbomb]

Seeing as Vay Hek has been a none-too-important placeholder boss up until now, I imagine it's within DE's power to completely overhaul his backstory with no questions asked. Kudos to them if they can still tie in his position as a Councilor (the more lore we get the better), but the dude did try to poison an entire planet, nearly deployed an armada of near-indestructible warships to wipe out all that isn't Grineer, and regularly sicks a trio of heavily-armed degenerate psychopaths on us, I think that's reason enough to assassinate him as is.

Edited April 1, 2014 by Paradoxbomb

[direcyphre]

Sounds like a lot of supposition about what a council is composed of in the Grineer hierarchy. He will never be a dude in a crisp suit playing politics. Bit of an assumption that he will settle all disputes with gunfire and blood. All of that only arrives because we've come to his home and want to kick the door down; obviously making him inherently violent with every bit of his communication with us.

Edited April 1, 2014 by direcyphre

[Tiqalicious]

Sounds like a lot of supposition about what a council is composed of in the Grineer hierarchy. He will never be a dude in a crisp suit playing politics. Bit of an assumption that he will settle all disputes with gunfire and blood. All of that only arrives because we've come to his home and want to kick the door down; obviously making him inherently violent with every bit of his communication with us.

I'd like to come live in the fantasy land you come from where the grineer aren't all antagonistic supervillains.

[Kevlareater]

Gunboat diplomacy? I mean, if someone who looks like a giant robot with a four barreled shotgun tells you to sit down and negotiate, would you really tell him no?

Whether yes or no, either way the last thing that will go through someone's mind will be a bullet (or pellets, a blade, a hammer, neon tentacles...).

[rapt0rman]

Sounds like a lot of supposition about what a council is composed of in the Grineer hierarchy. He will never be a dude in a crisp suit playing politics. Bit of an assumption that he will settle all disputes with gunfire and blood. All of that only arrives because we've come to his home and want to kick the door down; obviously making him inherently violent with every bit of his communication with us.

Listen to the dude preaching through the regulators on earth, he's not just mad, he's bonkers.

[direcyphre]

I'd like to come live in the fantasy land you come from where the grineer aren't all antagonistic supervillains.

He can be whatever he wants, the point is, there is no set predisposition by which he must conform to. There is nothing that goes against his current premise, he just has a more unique body (as all the bosses will eventually) and applies himself in ways that are not directly related to military combat operations (i.e. Sargas Ruk).

[OniDax]

Easy solution - he's modular, and has a less tukey-ish, battle mech-ish form.

[Vengola]

Listen to stuff Lotus says in Assassinate Hek mission. Everything points to him being a brutal politician in name only. He is obnoxious, aggresive and over the top, it is his design.

[Khunvyel]

Listen to stuff Lotus says in Assassinate Hek mission. Everything points to him being a brutal politician in name only. He is obnoxious, aggresive and over the top, it is his design.

 

Probably it will boil down to that and there will be no re-design in Lore or voice dialogue, because our reason to wipe the floor with him is EXACTLY due to the way he behaves and is. Everything would remain as is, which would be sad, admittedly. I kinda knew in the back of my head that this would be the obvious and simple way to go, however I had the hope of there being a more intricate scenario woven through his re-appearance.

 

I don't like going with the obvious, as apparently the majority here goes by with. Case and proof:

 

I'd like to come live in the fantasy land you come from where the grineer aren't all antagonistic supervillains.

So every single Grineer soldier we encounter wants us dead. Why? Probably because it is their damn job. Do we know anything about the remaining Grineer society? No. We have zero clue about their cultural depth, no knowledge about any splinter groups, no idea about the ethics of their scientists and if they all share the same opinion, we do not know how much resistance there is against the Queens.

As usual, it is not about the things we see, but the things we do CANNOT see. Look at totalitarian regimes, they were not exactly bound to last forever.

[Revenant102]

Hek's new look could be explained as being a calculated gambit to unnerve other political figures giving him and his interests an edge in negotiation.  His body serves to make plain the singular and unyielding purpose of the Grineer, that their top diplomat is willing to become such a monster in pursuit of Grineer Domination.  It sends a powerful message to other councilors that they are dealing with someone who is not to be trifled with, and who will not back down.

 

Additionally, the modularity of the body allows him to still perform in combat, which in a culture as psychotically militaristic as the Grineer appear to be would be of major importance to securing his position.