Need More "modern" Looking Weapons

[LGear]

So after waiting for a week wishing for a discount that never appeared, I finally gave in and bought plat to get the Excalibur Proto-Armor Skin. And damn, my Excalibur feels sexy using it. So I decided to equip it with weapons to complement its look, which in my case is the MK-1 Braton (yes, you're reading that right) and the Aklex. Damn do those weapons really complete the look, wish I had my old Glaive though...

 

 

That's not why I made this thread though. While searching for weapons to complement the Excalibur Proto-Armor skin, I realize that this game doesn't nearly have enough weapons that look "modern" so to speak. By "modern", meaning weapons that resemble current-day firearms in aesthetics and default color choices, the kind that people like to call "tactical". Currently we have only 3 weapons that fit that category:

 

 

The rest of the weapons we have are Grineer-themed (mechanical with curved, blobby parts),

 

 

Corpus-themed (clean, blocky and angular),

 

 

Tenno themed (smooth, crafted organic),

 

 

Infested themed (fleshy organic)

 

 

and Orokin (GOLD).

 

 

That two of the "modern" weapons we have are considered starting weapons is somewhat disheartening in my opinion. We really need more weapons that look like modern-day weapons, like how the Braton looks like a FAMAS. We can even take inspiration from current, futuristic looking weaponry, like the FN F2000 below:

 

 

Or maybe something resembling the XM8:

 

 

Of course, this isn't related to just firearms. We have a lack of "Modern" looking melee weapons in general, though there is the caveat of course that most modern militaries only carry knives or short blades. However, that's no reason we can't have blades like say, the khukuri (aka the weapon most associated with the Nepalese Gurhkas):

 

 

Or combat knives like this:

 

 

 

[VoidPunch]

Yea, I would like to see more of these. However, the Karak, Soma, and Sniptron/Lanka look modern enough for me.

[sp4rtan148]

I think I disagree with this whole "modern" look thing wont fit, warframe is just full of unique designs for weapons, and creating modern looking weapons is what sets it apart from MMS games.

[PixalatedVortex]

"modern" would actually be the past in warframe as it takes place in the future

[Calayne]

I think it can be based off of modern guns. Wouldn't be impossible. The Tenno faction is most suited for such types of weapons, considering their roots to Hayden Tenno, who is now verified as the ancestor of the Tenno. That said, their crafted weapons could be close to "modern" aesthetics as well.

For my proto excal, I use the burston as well! In addition to the lex/lato and a ceramic dagger. Really completes the look.

[Noogums]

Please, no.. Tacticool Call of Duty weapons were so 1000 years ago. Warframe is above all that.

[LGear]

Please, no.. Tacticool Call of Duty weapons were so 1000 years ago. Warframe is above all that.

 

Doesn't really explain the look of the Braton, Burston or Lex though, which is kinda my point. I feel the game needs more weapons that have the "modern" aesthetic of those three weapons, rather than always sticking to Grineer, Corpus, Tenno, Infested or Orokin aesthetics. Variety is a good thing, so why not further the variety by having more of a particular weapon aesthetic that is currently the minority in Warframe?

[Noogums]

Doesn't really explain the look of the Braton, Burston or Lex though, which is kinda my point. I feel the game needs more weapons that have the "modern" aesthetic of those three weapons, rather than always sticking to Grineer, Corpus, Tenno, Infested or Orokin aesthetics. Variety is a good thing, so why not further the variety by having more of a particular weapon aesthetic that is currently the minority in Warframe?

The Braton is a boxy Corpus weapon, I don't think it looks particularly "Modern", at all. The Burston and Lex hark back to the days of the original Dark Sector (The 2008 Concept trailer thing.), they're pretty much nostalgia items, especially the Burston. I don't think many people would have been surprised if they gave it a re-work before they Primed it.

Also, I get the feeling a lot of gun-nuts would actually be unhappy if we found some modern-looking guns, because... Well, why would the Tenno use them? They are old technology for a reason, they obviously aren't as good as the new weapons, so what's the point? Look at the difference between the MK.1 Braton, and the Braton. That's the same gun, just a slightly later model, and they are leagues apart. So what about a gun that's a few hundred  years old?

The 2014 aesthetic no longer has a place in Warframe, because the universe has moved on. Even the guns we'll be using 100 years from now would be completely out-dated in Warframe's time. 

And yes, the only way you would get a 'Modern' looking weapon is by finding a relic. The weapons in Warframe are made by the three factions. Since we don't have a fourth yet, who's going to make these 'Modern' guns? I'm sure everyone who isn't a Tenno just buys Corpus weapons, or steals Grineer tech after battles.

[LGear]

The Braton is a boxy Corpus weapon, I don't think it looks particularly "Modern", at all. The Burston and Lex hark back to the days of the original Dark Sector (The 2008 Concept trailer thing.), they're pretty much nostalgia items, especially the Burston. I don't think many people would have been surprised if they gave it a re-work before they Primed it.

The Braton is a Corpus weapon, but it doesn't have the "futuristic" look that weapons like the Tetra, Dera or Flux Rifle have, and as mentioned have a resemblance to the modern-day Famas (most of my friends call it the "Not!Famas" due to that). Also, they already have a Burston Prime, and yet they didn't rework the Burston to look more "Tenno".

Do we really need a strict lore reason for everything? Just handwave the "modern" aesthetic as being weapons from the same manufacturers as the Braton, Burston and Lex.

Besides, if we're talking about Tenno not using "outdated" weapons... then why are the Tenno still using Bows, Throwing Knives and Swords, aka weapons that existed centuries before firearms, and those which firearms made obsolete in modern combat? Hell, weapons like the Soma use pass-through clips used in older weapons like the Chauchat, and yet it's a Tenno weapon that's more "advanced" than anything made now in 2014. We also have stuff like the Marelok and the Grinlok, which are Lever-Action weapons designed by Grineer! Finally, bows like the Paris and Cernos in lore are supposed to be "Based on one of the world's oldest weapon designs" and "Evoking the design of ancient bows", and yet both are highly advanced weaponry (the Paris uses magnetic fields to launch its arrows even) so why can't the same be said for our so-called "outdated modern" weapons?

 

I'm not trying to bring modern-day weapons into Warframe, I'm suggesting weapons that resemble modern-day arms in aesthetics - we are in the Art & Animation section, not the Weapons section afterall. We already have lots of weapons in game that evoke even older aesthetics than modern firearms, so why not weapons that do have the aesthetic look and feel of such?

Edited April 2, 2014 by LGear

[Noogums]

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I'm not talking about the mechanics of the weapons either, but hey, I respect your opinion. I'm personally just quite opposed to "Modern-day" weaponary, because I feel they look dull and unimaginative compared to the weapons we see in Warframe.

[LGear]

I'm not talking about the mechanics of the weapons either, but hey, I respect your opinion. I'm personally just quite opposed to "Modern-day" weaponary, because I feel they look dull and unimaginative compared to the weapons we see in Warframe.

 

Well, I didn't bring up "They are old technology for a reason, they obviously aren't as good as the new weapons, so what's the point?" . Just pointing out that whether weapons look or act ancient or not doesn't seem to be important in Warframe, since you have stuff like bows and arrows and lever-action rifles coexisting alongside plasma repeaters and energy weapons ingame.

 

And I do like the imagination they bring to the aesthetics of the weapons in Warframe, some of my favorite weapons are stuff like the Boltor Prime. I just simply feel that there's more room for the "modern" aesthetic that the Braton, Burston and Lex have. We already have tons of the other more fanciful and futuristic styles, why not have more of the "simpler", "modern military" styles? Even just more weapons featuring a forged/cast steel and matte plastic look will suffice.

[Thaumatos]

Unless human beings change physically, any handheld projectile weaponry will look nearly the same as it does now.  A stock, a barrel, a trigger mechanism, and a point of reference for aiming.

 

You people want to argue that guns look different thousands of years in the future but somehow everyone still has their head, eyes, shoulders, arms, and hands in the same position.

 

Why do you think they're making Hek's new arms into the Hek shotgun?  Because that gun doesn't make any sense to be held the way it's art is designed unless it was attached to something other than a humanoid.

 

Don't believe me?  Look at swords.  They haven't changed for how long?  Somehow those manage to stay the same even in Warframe's future.

Edited April 2, 2014 by Thaumatos

[SlimShazbot]

I physically cannot disagree hard enough,

[Varzy]

Technically, your modern would be their retro. Or, possibly, vintage.

[RustyNaps]

Also, they already have a Burston Prime, and yet they didn't rework the Burston to look more "Tenno".

Because Burston is manufactured by the faction we serve under, The Lotus.

 

Lex and Burston are the only known Lotus weaponry it seems. Which is a shame, I'd like to see the Lotus faction actually be implemented rather than just "hostages". Maybe then we'll get modern looking stuff.

[Lost_Cartographer]

The Lotus do seem based more in "traditional" forms of weaponry, probably because they still work.  The Braton is sort of a last generation Corpus weapon before they moved on to lasers and plasma.  I have to believe to a degree, Grineer weaponry operates on some form of energy projectile as well (see: physically teensy magazines providing way too many rounds.)

 

Could there be more aesthetically "modern" weaponry?  Certainly.  Renegade faction of looters and pillagers using old world equipment.  Members of the Lotus that aren't Tenno.  Reskins for weapons like the Karak (looks like an M16) or the Soma (elongated AK.)

 

I think I'd prefer weapons like the Latron, Braton, and Burston to have visible magazines though.  Start small.

Edited April 5, 2014 by Littleman88

[Noogums]

I dunno', I still disagree. Much like you say that the Braton is Corpus "Last-Gen" tech, I feel that the Burston is also "Last-Gen", before the Tenno moved on to their current generation of more fancy weapons like the Vectis, Soma, and Tigris.

[Lost_Cartographer]

I dunno', I still disagree. Much like you say that the Braton is Corpus "Last-Gen" tech, I feel that the Burston is also "Last-Gen", before the Tenno moved on to their current generation of more fancy weapons like the Vectis, Soma, and Tigris.

 

Technically, all of those are based on last gen tech... which just happened to be better tech, so it's like lost advanced ancient tech.  The Orokin age was the height of technology basically.  Even the Corpus aren't at that level yet.

 

If it still shoots actual bullets or slugs, it's going to have an ejection port and either a box or drum mag.  Box here meaning a magazine you would see used in today's weaponry.  Ironically, tenno weaponry tends to use box magazines, despite being based off of otherwise supposedly the most advanced weaponry in universe.  Grineer weaponry uses what are essentially tiny balls (Grakata, Karak) or a magazine the size of a flash drive (Gorgon) which is why I suspect they're more towards energy weapons than actual bullets, and are mostly round, almost organic in shape.  Naturally, Corpus use actual pew pews.  There are exceptions of course, like the Gremlins', which are essentially weaponized nail guns, and the boltors/boltos, which don't seem to use classic magazines and pull ammo from... somewhere.  The Braton and the Burston might use ejection ports and magazines, but arguably their models are just old and incomplete due to the lack of actual moving parts where they seem they should have some.

 

Most Tenno weaponry already closely resembles real world weaponry.  We won't ever see an M16 (except in the Karak) or an AK (Soma,) but we'll see weapons with similar aesthetics.  See:  Double barreled shotgun.  Most Tenno handguns.  Counting on people to make the connections.

[Calayne]

Aesthetics can possibly transcend time. 

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if future tech sometimes mimics the style of older weapons, but will still noticeably carry the future's distinct touch. A good example would be Rolls Royce cars, in all their blocky, 1950s glory. 

 

Personally, the method of the Grineer is still debatable: It could be pellets of some material shot at high velocity, where the propulsion is provided by the weapon itself rather than the ammo (Which is likely, considering the mod system), or it could be energy, as pointed out.

 

However, based on the physical nature of Grineer weaponry, I'd have to go with the pellets theory, or at least, some form of it. Has anyone here played the first Mass Effect? There was a lovely bit of info on the effect Mass Effect had on weaponry: They allowed tiny pellets of steel to be cut, and then shot at insane velocities and all you needed to do to reload was to change the block of steel. Hyper-efficient and deadly. 

 

Yet, I imagine the Grineer are less fantastic than that. Thus, the closet they can get to, I imagine, is ballistics which no longer use gunpowder in their ammunition, thus saving space in their ammo cartridge. The Gorgon is a prime example of such a possibility, though the presence of an explosion still hint at some kind of reaction going on. Perhaps controlled bursts of a volatile material, segmented and rhythmically detonated by an internal mechanism? If this were the case, then they have invented a material that can provide infinite energy, which seems to be the case, as their ships and clone army probably requires more fuel than the sun can provide, even if they're into green energy (which is laughable). The reactors and Fomorian cores seem to hint at such a possibility of miniaturized infinite-power sources.

 

It's hard to tell, but it wouldn't be impossible.

 

At any rate, I still do think it's possible for the aesthetics of the Tenno weapons to somewhat resemble our modern day weaponry: As the above user pointed out, many of the Tenno era guns certainly exude that vibe.

 

I hope more of those types of weapons come out. I'm a big fan of box mags and ejection ports.

Edited April 6, 2014 by Calayne

[Rawnrawn]

The new factions may be less technologically advanced, so they would rely on more old school choices. (Which would be modern in our book)

[Thaumatos]

 

Aesthetics can possibly transcend time. 

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if future tech sometimes mimics the style of older weapons, but will still noticeably carry the future's distinct touch. A good example would be Rolls Royce cars, in all their blocky, 1950s glory. 

 

[snip]

 

At any rate, I still do think it's possible for the aesthetics of the Tenno weapons to somewhat resemble our modern day weaponry: As the above user pointed out, many of the Tenno era guns certainly exude that vibe.

 

 

Right.

 

No matter how far into the future you go, if a human is going to physically drive a car, it's going to have a steering wheel, pedals, and a mechanism for shifting gears.  They may change shape and position over the years, but they will all be there with relevance to the human body's physical form.  You're not going to see a future car with its steering wheel in between the driver's feet, pedals you operate with your elbows, or a gearshift that is strapped to a helmet and manipulated by moving your head to the right or the left.

 

Yet, for some reason, people love to take that exact approach when designing futuristic firearms.  Even when all other equipment remains nearly the same.  I'll never understand that...besides people thinking, "Oh cool, a gun that shoots like how you play a guitar while drinking a glass of milk."

 

Warframe isn't THAT bad though.  With the exception of the HEK shotgun, all guns have a place for both your hands to grip properly and they all have trigger mechanisms.  Some of them have clips in odd places, some of them don't have clips, and even some of them don't have a visible method of reloading whatsoever...but most of the time they make sense.

 

Though it would be nice to see some of the infested guns have more 'organic' reloading methods such as feeding, resting, etc.