Theory About Lotus, The Sentients, The Orokin, And The Universe.

[IronWolfSaber]

She is an Artificial Construct.

 

If I had to place my bets, she's a Sentient and not Orokin. 

 

Corpus or Grineer might have freed her from an Orokin Prison on accident. 

 

She might have worked with them long enough to figure out what is all going on. Get clearance, hack the enemy and understand the current situation.

 

Remembering how the Sentients where defeated and the long time in lockdown she has had plenty of time to formulate a new strategy.

 

And like the sentients before her, they're good at taking Orokin technology and turning them against their owners. The greatest pinnacle of this is taking the warframes and turning them against their orokin masters?

 

What if she was the one responsible for the memory wipe?

 

What if she was the one directing the corpus and grineer to harvest and dissect the ones she missed?

 

What if the stalker(s) is the one she missed?

 

She doesn't know everything about the orokin. 

 

She doesn't refer to the Orokin in relation to herself but always in opposition. Surely the orokin tech would recognize one of their own. Yet the defenses all fire upon us and bar entry and do not let their locations be known to us easily. 

 

Yet she's mastered the technology enough to develop and out evolve the original orokin designs with the newer warframes that had likely not existed back in the original war. 

 

Is she malevolent? That remains to be seen. After all not much is known on how the Orokin ruled; they for all we know could be far worse than the grineer; stripping all individuals of their rights or acknowledgement of existence even. The sentients could be for all we know the good guys in that conflict, and we're just the byproduct. Orokin hesitated to use us; we where only used out of desperation and it costed them in the end. 

 

The sentients could have easily referred to mankind, after all humanity 1.0 did go extinct with the technocyte virus and it was the orokin that brought the race back to life. maybe humanity was too much for their logic to handle in a proper war. Humanity does have a nasty habit of taking hostile tech and making it their own after all. 

 

Discuss. 

[DJ-7809]

She is an Artificial Construct.

 

If I had to place my bets, she's a Sentient and not Orokin. 

 

Corpus or Grineer might have freed her from an Orokin Prison on accident. 

 

She might have worked with them long enough to figure out what is all going on. Get clearance, hack the enemy and understand the current situation.

 

Remembering how the Sentients where defeated and the long time in lockdown she has had plenty of time to formulate a new strategy.

 

And like the sentients before her, they're good at taking Orokin technology and turning them against their owners. The greatest pinnacle of this is taking the warframes and turning them against their orokin masters?

 

What if she was the one responsible for the memory wipe?

 

What if she was the one directing the corpus and grineer to harvest and dissect the ones she missed?

 

What if the stalker(s) is the one she missed?

 

She doesn't know everything about the orokin. 

 

She doesn't refer to the Orokin in relation to herself but always in opposition. Surely the orokin tech would recognize one of their own. Yet the defenses all fire upon us and bar entry and do not let their locations be known to us easily. 

 

Yet she's mastered the technology enough to develop and out evolve the original orokin designs with the newer warframes that had likely not existed back in the original war. 

 

Is she malevolent? That remains to be seen. After all not much is known on how the Orokin ruled; they for all we know could be far worse than the grineer; stripping all individuals of their rights or acknowledgement of existence even. The sentients could be for all we know the good guys in that conflict, and we're just the byproduct. Orokin hesitated to use us; we where only used out of desperation and it costed them in the end. 

 

The sentients could have easily referred to mankind, after all humanity 1.0 did go extinct with the technocyte virus and it was the orokin that brought the race back to life. maybe humanity was too much for their logic to handle in a proper war. Humanity does have a nasty habit of taking hostile tech and making it their own after all. 

 

Discuss. 

I have a counter-preposition, and am actually considering creating a series of short films about this sort of storyline.

 

 

The Orokin created the Tenno from slaves or lower-level in the community people.  A chance to become an honorable warrior and help to defeat the Sentient menace.  The Tenno in their Warframes fought hard and for years in a massive war of epic proportions.  The Sentients were finally defeated.  There are celebrations, the Tenno are heroes.  The leader of the Orokin Empire, be it an Emperor, a queen, or a president, whatever, realizes that they have created the most powerful beings in the universe.  Without a war to direct their efforts, they could possibly rebel against him and overthrow his/her fabulous gold-encrusted Empire.  He orders their execution.  A lone Tenno overhears this, and alerts the others.  The Tenno then rebel against the Orokin to save themselves, in self-defense.  This is the day the Stalker speaks of in his Lore page of the Codex.  The Stalker would be the one Tenno who was not present during the alerting of the Emperor's nefarious schemes, and he believes the Tenno turned to evil.  For no reason whatsoever.  The Stalker then hunts these murderers. Having defeated the Orokin Empire, (or so they think) The Tenno retire to Cryosleep, to be awakened when the Galaxy is threatened.  However, the Grineer twin sisters, the Princesses of the Empire, beautiful beings, then start an Empire to re-dominate the entire Galaxy to recover and rebuild the Orokin civilization. To do this, they create a "temporary" army of clones of their father, the Orokin Emperor.  Who was killed during the empire's downfall.  The Tenno sleep for years, until the Lotus(I have no theories yet as to who she is or what, but I"m working on it) awakens them to combat the evil Orokin re-uprising of the Queens.  The Corpus are just greedy A******s who want to make money, nothing more.

 

 

What do you think?

[IronWolfSaber]

I have a counter-preposition, and am actually considering creating a series of short films about this sort of storyline.

 

 

The Orokin created the Tenno from slaves or lower-level in the community people.  A chance to become an honorable warrior and help to defeat the Sentient menace.  The Tenno in their Warframes fought hard and for years in a massive war of epic proportions.  The Sentients were finally defeated.  There are celebrations, the Tenno are heroes.  The leader of the Orokin Empire, be it an Emperor, a queen, or a president, whatever, realizes that they have created the most powerful beings in the universe.  Without a war to direct their efforts, they could possibly rebel against him and overthrow his/her fabulous gold-encrusted Empire.  He orders their execution.  A lone Tenno overhears this, and alerts the others.  The Tenno then rebel against the Orokin to save themselves, in self-defense.  This is the day the Stalker speaks of in his Lore page of the Codex.  The Stalker would be the one Tenno who was not present during the alerting of the Emperor's nefarious schemes, and he believes the Tenno turned to evil.  For no reason whatsoever.  The Stalker then hunts these murderers. Having defeated the Orokin Empire, (or so they think) The Tenno retire to Cryosleep, to be awakened when the Galaxy is threatened.  However, the Grineer twin sisters, the Princesses of the Empire, beautiful beings, then start an Empire to re-dominate the entire Galaxy to recover and rebuild the Orokin civilization. To do this, they create a "temporary" army of clones of their father, the Orokin Emperor.  Who was killed during the empire's downfall.  The Tenno sleep for years, until the Lotus(I have no theories yet as to who she is or what, but I"m working on it) awakens them to combat the evil Orokin re-uprising of the Queens.  The Corpus are just greedy A******s who want to make money, nothing more.

 

 

What do you think?

 

My counter?

 

Orokin are not organic and likely are not of organic origins either or they been so long removed they don't understand sentience. How they rule themselves would seemingly highly incompatible with organics own sentience how disobedient we can become. 

[OniDax]

My counter?

 

Orokin are not organic and likely are not of organic origins either or they been so long removed they don't understand sentience. How they rule themselves would seemingly highly incompatible with organics own sentience how disobedient we can become. 

Sentience=/=Organic.

[IronWolfSaber]

Sentience=/=Organic.

 

Viruses are organic, they don't have sentience; this is a similar manner how a calculator doesn't have sentience to non-organic intelligences.

 

Also we're talking about a race that may have never considered logically considered organics to be sentient in the first place. You see how easily reprogrammable our enemies are with those neural sensors.

 

This concept is not new in sci-fi it was recently revisited in a recent anime as well where the hostile robot species thought is was absurd humans had sentience and saw humanity nothing more than mining materials. 

Edited April 2, 2014 by IronWolfSaber

[OniDax]

Viruses are organic, they don't have sentience. Also we're talking about a race that may have never considered organics to be highly illogical to be sentient in the first place. You see how easily reprogrammable our enemies are with those neural sensors.

 

Isn't that my point? You can be sentient without being organic. You can be organic without being sentient. Just because the Orokin are against the Sentients doesn't mean they aren't organic. There's nothing to suggest that the Orokin aren't organic. In fact, we know they are because the Stalker says that they bleed. No, that doesn't mean oil like some immature 19 year old said some time ago.

[DJ-7809]

My counter?

 

Orokin are not organic and likely are not of organic origins either or they been so long removed they don't understand sentience. How they rule themselves would seemingly highly incompatible with organics own sentience how disobedient we can become. 

You seem to be angrily defending something but I really can't tell what....This is all theory.  Just because I say something about wanting to write some kind of fanfic doesn't mean you have to angrily defend an abstract theory of your own.  

[arch111]

Flemming and I have discussed this topic before, and one important information is that the Stalker refer to the Orokin rulers as "cold and gold".

He referrs to the Tenno as Silent and Stoic, meaning devoid of emotions.

 

It is possible that machines who became self-aware ruled the Empire as a literal Cold and Gold form.

 

But it seem far more possible the rulers were advanced humans, who bio-engineered the world around them. Possibly they had become to Logical, to machine-dependent, to far removed from the emotional Homo Sapient.

It is allso possible they engineered the Tenno, and repopulated the planets with cloning technology. This further would only bolster their self-proclaimed right as Godly Rulers.

 

They faced an enemy who could use their tech against them, they needed humans that used low-tech weapons and guerilla-tactics to win, armed with super powers.
Merciless killers without remorse or guilt.

 

Any theory can be true, but the Orokin surely were Tyrants. We only have two things that point towards AI.

 

1. The reverse-engineered robotics Corpus makes. They have found blueprints or old tech and remade it.

2. Neural Sentris in the Void Towers. What is this exactly? Sentient AI constructs?

3. Lotus. If she is indeed an AI.

 

It might as well have been like this: Super evolved humans encountered a race of basically made of energy, who originated from the Void Space. They called them Sentients since they were like ghosts, pure conciousness who would posess humans and turn the technology back against them.

 

To wipe them out they unleashed a bioweapon, scorched Earth. It backfired. The Tenno was the last hope, they were burned in the Void fires too, and could fight the Sentients on even ground using weapons of the old world, as well as the powers of the Void.

 

"They fought in a way the enemy could never comprehend" or some such.

 

It will be really interesting to see what DE finally descides to tell us. Machine overlords might still be the road they choose.

[OniDax]

Anyone seen Fringe? They're probably like their Observers - cold, showing no emotion, no sign of sentience - feeling, experiencing subjectivity. Probably focus on logic, and despise emotion.

[IronWolfSaber]

You seem to be angrily defending something but I really can't tell what....This is all theory.  Just because I say something about wanting to write some kind of fanfic doesn't mean you have to angrily defend an abstract theory of your own.  

Its because of the extended history article in the wikipedia, humanity did go extinct, orokin brought us back, and orokin according to the stalker entry are not living things it would seem .

[sedu13]

My theory: G3 killed fellow Grineer because they got tired of waiting.

Tenno killed Orokin because Orokin president took too long to start the damn cerimony of "Tenno kick &#!".

Tenno and Grineer are one.

U13 was commentary on how humans kill stuff when they want something and they are forced to wait.

[Phatose]

Something strikes me as wrong about the Orokin being machines.  The main problem is that their rather vast array of weaponry design is all clearly intended for human physiology.  A race of power AI machines that design their weapons as if they were human seems....insane.  Surely a robot would be better off hooking the gun directly up to itself then using a trigger.

 

As for them being cold and gold....any number of historical leadership roles could fit that description.  A detached attitude and rich accoutrements would pretty well describe the court behavior of any number of kings or emperors, especially in formal state functions like honoring the saviors of their kind.  All we'd need to add is that they referred to themselves in the plural (think "Your victory pleases us.") and you get a stereotypical monarch.

[IronWolfSaber]

Something strikes me as wrong about the Orokin being machines.  The main problem is that their rather vast array of weaponry design is all clearly intended for human physiology.  A race of power AI machines that design their weapons as if they were human seems....insane.  Surely a robot would be better off hooking the gun directly up to itself then using a trigger.

 

As for them being cold and gold....any number of historical leadership roles could fit that description.  A detached attitude and rich accoutrements would pretty well describe the court behavior of any number of kings or emperors, especially in formal state functions like honoring the saviors of their kind.  All we'd need to add is that they referred to themselves in the plural (think "Your victory pleases us.") and you get a stereotypical monarch.

This could be a hold over for when they made the Tenno though. 

 

Remember sentients where turning Orokin weapons against them. 

 

This also further proves that Lotus cannot be Orokin herself or she would be furnishing us with prime weapons already. 

Edited April 3, 2014 by IronWolfSaber

[IronWolfSaber]

My theory: G3 killed fellow Grineer because they got tired of waiting.

Tenno killed Orokin because Orokin president took too long to start the damn cerimony of "Tenno kick &#!".

Tenno and Grineer are one.

U13 was commentary on how humans kill stuff when they want something and they are forced to wait.

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[OniDax]

???

[SilentMobius]

I think the Lotus was a simple human, a vassal of the Orokin empire just like almost all of the characters of the Orokin era we are told about in the Codex. I think the Orokin themselves are modified humans who survived the first technocyte apocolypse. I think that the Dark Sector era "Lotus organisation" split into two faction, those who stayed behind on earth and those who left. The Orokin are those who left.

 

I've explained where this idea comes from here:

 

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/202045-what-defines-the-orokin-and-what-rougly-did-they-look-like

[IronWolfSaber]

I think the Lotus was a simple human, a vassal of the Orokin empire just like almost all of the characters of the Orokin era we are told about in the Codex. I think the Orokin themselves are modified humans who survived the first technocyte apocolypse. I think that the Dark Sector era "Lotus organisation" split into two faction, those who stayed behind on earth and those who left. The Orokin are those who left.

 

I've explained where this idea comes from here:

 

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/202045-what-defines-the-orokin-and-what-rougly-did-they-look-like

 

 

Plenty of good points here; not much is known where the Orokin come from and they may be a splinter faction from earth. Which then leaves the question who are the sentients? Could they be more of the tennocyte virus that achieved critical mass for sentience (the infested don't seem too big on technology countering in the way the orokin made is sound to be during their war with them. 

 

While it may be entirely possible to blame the ship interiors on accommodating tenno. The aesthetics say otherwise; they would have to be at least some form same sized as tenno. 

Edited April 3, 2014 by IronWolfSaber