I'm Getting Tired Of This.

[Vitras]

This is basically the same type of thing as another topic I made (was called something like "why I hate playing the game I love" about unbalanced solo play). Also, some background info: I am a solo-player by force, not by choice, because of slow internet. Do not tell me to just go online, because I can't.

The balance for solo in this game sucks. I'm sorry, but there is no other way of putting it. I'm making another topic about it, because of how ridiculous it is that I can't complete the potato alert.

 

I tried with Volt at first (wasn't really thinking about it at all, just pressed play). Died on the first wave, wasn't surprised when that didn't work. So then I tried to use Frost and with the Ogris. That went terrible. Died on the second wave. Starting to get annoyed by then. Decided to try Rhino so I wouldn't die. I didn't die, but on the third wave the power core was destroyed. I was getting upset now.

Going back to Frost (modded for shields and snowglobe efficiency with energy siphon, overextended, duration mods, yada yada, low health because not enough space), I switched to the Ignis. I only had one revive left. After dying a couple of times only after a few waves, I was turning pretty serious. My strategy went to staying inside the globe as much as possible and keep from being killed. I had to pull every trick I could think of (like keeping the last enemy alive long enough to heal the power core), and that got me to about wave ten with five to go when I died. Had to grudgingly use my revive. Then, of course, I died again two waves later, game over.

My point is, it is laughable for a solo player to be expected to play all the roles of a coop team with the same difficulty. I have to stay on the lower half of levels for this game and it's just not fun. I don't know how many other solo players like me there are, but I would like other players to try to understand that it isn't fun to have to use the most OP stuff all of the time and it not actually working half of the time.

Some may say challenge is good. Yes, that is true. But that mission had only level 17 as the highest enemy when I was killed. And it goes how many times higher than that? That's past challenging, it's just impossible. Something needs to change for solo play. I at least want an acknowledgement that this is a problem.

Please DE.

Sincerely,
A fun-deprived gamer.

 

Edit:

1. For those being confused with my point, I am not saying that I want to play the whole game with weak equipment without difficulty, it's that compared to playing online, solo is too difficult. The part about the OP equipment was saying I needed to plan things out for a mission that is not even end-game. Thank you.

2. A point which might be more clear is solo is more difficult or more demanding than online play when it's supposed to be balanced. If there is a solo option from the start, it should be balanced so the same difficulty for four people is not all put on one player.

Edited April 4, 2014 by Vitras

[Genoscythe]

I think Warframe is not meant as a solo game, you also cant solo raid missions in other games too. That said, the map of the mission is the most terrible def map in the whole game and i'd like to have it removed or heavily modified (no more power core but a cryo pod, and at some location where youre not a sitting duck).

[Tsoe]

when soloing

 

if mission too hard , try to use gears

 

like shield regen life regen energy regen

[BrotherIcarus]

I am a solo player by choice and well I do not see what you are saying I have played the exact same mission without the problems you listed maybe it is down to experience.

[BizarreFetalChimpanzee]

I think Warframe is not meant as a solo game, you also cant solo raid missions in other games too. That said, the map of the mission is the most terrible def map in the whole game and i'd like to have it removed or heavily modified (no more power core but a cryo pod, and at some location where youre not a sitting duck).

I'd agree with this, with exception of the fact that the devs have explicitly stated in a previous livestream (forgot which one) that they will try their best to make this game viable for both co-op and solo players. 

[Hawner]

Just like in the other topic, I agree with you, pal. For Soloers it's impossible to do certain missions, and you happen to be one unwillingly. Let's hope DE make Solo mode easier as we discussed in the other topic.

[Vitras]

I think Warframe is not meant as a solo game, you also cant solo raid missions in other games too. That said, the map of the mission is the most terrible def map in the whole game and i'd like to have it removed or heavily modified (no more power core but a cryo pod, and at some location where youre not a sitting duck).

Steve has said in an earlier stream that they do want balanced solo play. But I haven't seen anything to prove it. And yes, I do hate that map.

 

when soloing

 

if mission too hard , try to use gears

 

like shield regen life regen energy regen

With how fast I was killed, gear would not make a difference. I also had a sentinel with the guardian mod, so I practically had twice the shields. And was almost always in the globe. Still killed. Even if that did work, that goes back to my point about always bringing your best stuff every time. It's not the right way to play a game.

[LukeAura]

I did it solo without the core ever losing more than 1500 health.
Although the enemy spawn counts did seem a little high for an apology alert.

But if the core died it sounds like you weren't killing things fast enough with Rhino, or CC'ing them often enough.

[NjaII]

When you say you have a slow internet, what do you mean exactly ?

 

You can't host, yes, but joining a party is egally S#&$ty for you ?

[thedan001]

I didnt have any problem playing as Nyx

[XenosInfinity]

Grineer seem to be the worst enemy faction for defense missions, especially on the asteroid map. Objective is too big to defend with snowglobe and there's next to no cover.

 

If you have Overextended, a Chaos Nyx build could probably do it.

[Genoscythe]

I'd agree with this, with exception of the fact that the devs have explicitly stated in a previous livestream (forgot which one) that they will try their best to make this game viable for both co-op and solo players. 

Yeah, but its kinda hard to balance a multiplayer game perfectly for solo runs without wasting time they could actually spend for multiplayer content for the bigger part of the community(97%?). Its kinda sad to say that but if someone is looking for a good solo experience Warframe might not be the best option.

[Vitras]

I am a solo player by choice and well I do not see what you are saying I have played the exact same mission without the problems you listed maybe it is down to experience.

Please tell what had used. If it is some OP equipment, my point still stands.

 

Just like in the other topic, I agree with you, pal. For Soloers it's impossible to do certain missions, and you happen to be one unwillingly. Let's hope DE make Solo mode easier as we discussed in the other topic.

I'm relieved my opinion is not alone. I was prepared for a full flame on.

[Guest]

I had troubles with that mission too, man. In the end, I had to resort to Nova+Soma, which is among the most OP combos in the game, plus Guardian'd Sweeper'd Wyrm. Despite that, I had to waste 3 revives, but made it in the end. It was the most unfun thing I've done in a while, 760+ enemies all by myself:

 

 

The potato seriously was not worth that. Most likely not doing it again. More than an "apology" alert, it was a punishment.

Edited April 3, 2014 by Guest

[Vitras]

I did it solo without the core ever losing more than 1500 health.

Although the enemy spawn counts did seem a little high for an apology alert.

But if the core died it sounds like you weren't killing things fast enough with Rhino, or CC'ing them often enough.

It was a difficulty five missions, so yes, the spawn rate was horrid.

And with Rhino it still goes back to my point about using everything OP to move on for missions you can breeze through with others.

 

When you say you have a slow internet, what do you mean exactly ?

 

You can't host, yes, but joining a party is egally S#&$ty for you ?

Can't host, and joining a party is waiting half a minute or longer for a door to open and not even think about trying to pick up drops.

[(PSN)EternalDamnation]

Nyx is the girl you need. I can solo Outter Terminus with her and the Despair. And stop complaining about people using OP equipment, you're running around with an ogris... I happened to use Zephyr and Ogris just for laughs on that particular mission, and even on the final wave every enemy was one-shotted by the explosion.

 

Edit: this post sounds a lot more pompous then I meant it to sound, the moral of the story is that you should use nyx or even loki, and whatever weapon you like, they can all be modded to be massively powerful.

Edited April 3, 2014 by (PS4)EternalDamnation

[Genoscythe]

I had troubles with that mission too, man. In the end, I had to resort to Nova+Soma, which is among the most OP combos in the game, plus Guardian'd Sweeper'd Wyrm. Despite that, I had to waste 3 revives, but made it in the end. It was the most unfun thing I've done in a while, 760+ enemies all by myself:

 

 

The potato seriously was not worth that. Most likely not doing it again. More than an "apology" alert, it was a punishment.

 

As I said above, I think its the fault of the horrible map, if it would be on some corpus/grineer galleon layout people could just resort to normal equipment like frost + boltor prime, but this map is pure player torture.

[Vitras]

Nyx is the girl you need. I can solo Outter Terminus with her and the Despair. And stop complaining about people using OP equipment, you're running around with an ogris...

I wasn't complaining about "people using OP equipment", I was frustrated that I have to use everything OP to progress in any way in the game. Also, I was leveling it, after building it again.

[Warlord1400]

Just like in the other topic, I agree with you, pal. For Soloers it's impossible to do certain missions, and you happen to be one unwillingly. Let's hope DE make Solo mode easier as we discussed in the other topic.

No, they need to make it funner. Struggling with friends is okay, soaking up you defeat by yourself is depressing. I tried to solo the Cicero Crisis, all I got was the badge.

 

Yeah, but its kinda hard to balance a multiplayer game perfectly for solo runs without wasting time they could actually spend for multiplayer content for the bigger part of the community(97%?). Its kinda sad to say that but if someone is looking for a good solo experience Warframe might not be the best option.

I need to make a topic for better internet options in Warframe. I agree that Warframe is 3.5x funner with friends, but that never happens. The last time i played with someone was Tethra's Doom luckily :p

Edited April 3, 2014 by Warlord1400

[Warlord1400]

As I said above, I think its the fault of the horrible map, if it would be on some corpus/grineer galleon layout people could just resort to normal equipment like frost + boltor prime, but this map is pure player torture.

Everyone is looking at your plat. BTW I hope it's not that hard for me! Sorry for the struggle.

[BrotherIcarus]

Please tell what had used. If it is some OP equipment, my point still stands.

I used a Saryn a rank 16 hek and a rank 20 Merelok (The only powerful weapon I had) and a jaw sword.

 

My question is why do you have such a bias against good weapons sure when you have a team of 4 all using them there you can call it OP but in Solo these "OP" weapons are the ones that give you an actual fighting chance.

 

I do agree there is not good balancing for solo but I would want there to be an option in the future to change the difficulty as well I like it the way it is.

[Axterix13]

 

With how fast I was killed, gear would not make a difference. I also had a sentinel with the guardian mod, so I practically had twice the shields. And was almost always in the globe. Still killed. Even if that did work, that goes back to my point about always bringing your best stuff every time. It's not the right way to play a game.

I made it to the penultimate wave with my Nekros.  15 waves was just a little bit too much and they got the core.  Overall, my survival wasn't a huge issue.  The shields I had were under 600, since he was only R15 or so at the time, and my health was around the 400ish.  The only power he had was Desecrate, which does admittedly help, since it provided plenty of healing for the couple of times when they did make it past my shields (and also helps with bleed damage, which will happen with 15 waves of Grineer).

 

From what you describe though, I'd say the bigger problem was your choice of weaponry.  Ignis was not a good choice.  Neither was Torid.  You'd be better off with an assault rifle type weapon.  Something that is accurate enough at range, enough of a magazine to drop an entire group, and enough punch to drop the bosses quickly.

 

I'd also suggest Rejuv as an aura over Energy Siphon for this sort of solo play.  Energy sources tend to be plentiful enough if you kill stuff in quantity (which you do in 15 waves of defense).  Healing is harder to come by unless you play specific frames.  If you do need more energy, use the crafted stuff.  Alternately, you could also use the crafted stuff for healing, if you're mostly just worried about the occasional need for it.

[Shackram]

Solo is pretty much the game's hard mode, because the enemy density doesn't change if you have more or less players. 

 

And that particular defense map is really bad.

 

I am a solo player by choice and well I do not see what you are saying I have played the exact same mission without the problems you listed maybe it is down to experience.

 

It's down to gear and warframe choice. Or lack of choice, to be more precise.

 

You can't cover all sides of the reactor on that grineer tileset, so how fast you can kill enemies matters the most. As well as having a frame with good mobility to get around.

 

Nyx with increased range on chaos or a radial blind Excalibur or a Nova would have a far easier time than a Frost soloing it. That and a gun that can kill a group quick so you can move to the next before too many swarm the core.

 

Yeah, but its kinda hard to balance a multiplayer game perfectly for solo runs without wasting time they could actually spend for multiplayer content for the bigger part of the community(97%?). Its kinda sad to say that but if someone is looking for a good solo experience Warframe might not be the best option.

 

It's not hard. They just need to change enemy density for the number of players, often it's too few for a full team, but far too many for solo play.

Edited April 3, 2014 by Shackram

[BrotherIcarus]

Solo is pretty much the game's hard mode, because the enemy density doesn't change if you have more or less players. 

 

And that particular defense map is really bad.

 

 

It's down to gear and warframe choice.

 

You can't cover all sides of the reactor on that grineer tileset, so how fast you can kill enemies matters the most. As well as having a frame with good mobility to get around.

 

Nyx with increased range on chaos or a radial blind Excalibur or a Nova would have a far easier time than a Frost soloing it. That and a gun that can kill a group quick so you can move to the next before too many swarm the core.

Agreed on that map you need some long range AoE or a stretch frost build.

[Loser]

Tried solo (not forced, just nobody connected). At 4th wave aborted. No chance.

Maybe I could do it by fine-tuning builds and kinks to suit this particular mission, but meh, solo players are still screwed.