Ember Needs A Buff/fix, Obsolete On Later Levels. Her Skills Need A Buff.

[(PSN)billy-d-squid]

"Accelerant is useless"

 

Haha... Oh Lord. 

 

ODD 50, Ember makes the infested look like they've walked into a blast furnace. I did ODD up to lvl 45, with a lvl 12 Ember Prime, a lvl 3 Orthos Prime, lvl10 Braton Prime and Stilettos at rnk 30 just incase everything went wrong, because I was lvling up my equipment after Forma ing them.

And trying to use that ridiculous argument "well at lvl such and such it's really not good/ not OP" isn't an argument, it's the distinct lack of one. 

 

I had 2 Rhinos (one Prime) and  Nova on the team and to my immense surprise I walked out with 39% of the damage, beating the Nova. 

 

If you are being knocked about by the Ancients, why the hell are you charging straight at them? Unstretched WoF has a rng of 15m, 20m with stretch, why are you getting that close? Yes the Ancient's do knock you on your arse if you're not careful, that's why if you want to get into the centre of a mob, sprint, slide, summersault then activate WoF (in air, as you'll be traveling forward still) and slam attack with the Orthos Prime (or hit accelerant as soon as you land, but it takes some practice) Knocks everything on it's arse, but it gets you well inside the kill zone and then you can hit Accelerant for maximum effect (stun is actually around 3 seconds, not 1) 

 

The risk is, that a Toxic is going to kill me or a disruptor will steal my energy, but hey, that's the risk you take for being able to deliver 45k over 16 seconds straight into the middle of the spawns. Ember isn't like Nova (thankfully, who is incredibly boring, if all you do is spam MP with no risk involved) there is some risk involved in getting that close and dealing that much damage. 

 

Yeah, and none of those give a 250% basic damage boost, 325% with intensify. If you're using it just for the stun, I'd suggest you're using it wrong, it stuns long enough to activate her powers or spam a couple of fireballs, it's not dedicated CC like Nyx and Vauban.

 

Could Fireblast doo with a AoE knock back? Probably, vs anything other than infested it's fairly lacking, and without accelerant the damage is fairly meh. Maybe a higher Proc chance on WoF's AoE. But so much of what've said is rubbish, Ancient's ignore Accelerant? Er no they don't. Infested run through the Circle of Fire on Fireblast? Er no they don't. The ones within the initial circle will stay, if they're not killed, but the infested tend to actually tend to avoid entering the ring, letting you shoot or cast powers in relative safety from being bum rushed. Doesn't do anything vs the Corpus or Grineer though. 

 

Ember's fairly solid for a frame where she is now, needs a few tweeks here and there, but she's more than capable of holding her own in high lvl games. 

Edited April 8, 2014 by (PS4)billy-d-squid

[RealPandemonium]

Ember is good sans Fire Blast, stop making these threads and stop asking for frames to be balanced around Nova.

[fatpig84]

My accelerant with corrupted mods boosts all fire damage up to 530% or higher IIRC.

I was killing void stuff, LIKE nothing.

 

In ODS and ODD, it's lol wut.

I use Corrosive + Heat, nearly everything dies.

 

And I am not using WOF, just Ignis, which is by far under powered compared to it's 1.0 days.

Edited April 8, 2014 by fatpig84

[Guest Shibboleet]

w8w8w8 lets let them assume they are doing a high level battle with thier OP weapon.

 

 

nightmare mode, they are on ember with accelerant and ignis.

 

aka pretty close range weapons.

ember's got no survivability other than the 1 secound stun from accelerant. 

 

so. how will they react. to use their weapons they need to be up close. to an enemy that can 2 shot ember.

 

and except for a pistol, all thier skills/weapons are close range cause they built thier build around accelerant.

 

lets see them explain how they'd do it.

 

and for fun, lets make one of the enemys either a fire leader, blast leader, or ice leader.

Definitely longer than 1 second.

 

I've gone up to an hour or something vs infested, and my clan even considered using her for a long wave (200) corpus/grineer defense.

Edited April 8, 2014 by Shibboleet

[Hyunsai]

I don't quite understand the concern as I'm doing fine with Ember in long Defense and Survival in Ceres / Pluto. And I don't die more than the rest of the team, on the contrary, doing as much or more damage than Nova.

 

Ember's weakness is that she is energy heavy, but other than that, she is pretty fine.

[(PSN)billy-d-squid]

I don't quite understand the concern as I'm doing fine with Ember in long Defense and Survival in Ceres / Pluto. And I don't die more than the rest of the team, on the contrary, doing as much or more damage than Nova.

 

Ember's weakness is that she is energy heavy, but other than that, she is pretty fine.

 

You really need to forma the aura slot to dash with Ember Prime, at least that's what I've found. She benefits most from Energy Siphon, Corrosive projection and Shield disruption mods.

Edited April 8, 2014 by (PS4)billy-d-squid

[Hyunsai]

You really need to forma the aura slot to dash with Ember Prime, at least that's what I've found. She benefits most from Energy Siphon, Corrosive projection and Shield disruption mods.

 

Don't forget the Team Energy Restore from clan tech, a real life saver ^^. And yes, you need some formas into Ember, mine needed 3 to reach its full potential.

[.Czern]

I really don't like what Ember became, she is viable only in one way (spamming World on Fire and Accelerant all the time), which is just unfair. Ember is my favorite frame (mainly because of her amazing appearance and fire theme), so I use her very often. I've been playing lots of Grineer survival and Void runs, and basing on my experience her skills become completely uselles above enemy level 40, maybe besides Fireball which staggers heavy units, but really - when enemies start to have high armor/shield and health values Ember's skills can't kill them unless you spam Accelerant all the time. That's why I tend to rely on weapons. And here is another problem - she is defenceless against ranged units. Medium shields and health, the worst armor and average movement speed. It's not enough to keep her alive, even if you avoid cqc. In my opinion bringing back Overheat would make her much more balanced than she is now. And please don't state again that Overheat was overpowered, blah, blah, blah... Look on how Blessing strong is. And Trinity is said to be a support frame, not a tank. As someone above me wrote earlier: speed is the key value for Ember. Making it 1.1 would be enough, just like Nyx has.

Edited April 14, 2014 by CKN_Czarny

[Nyxcha]

w8 until you see the new dark sector conflict.

 

ranged weapons. useless(volt shield reflects it back at you)

 

fire skills, useless, you are gunned down fast and enemy tenno have both downed state and dmg res.

 

if she had overheat, she could compete here.

 

as it is, she's showing how weak she is.

[MadMag]

I stop here by accident but the problem is people want high damage, range and damage in same time they want high numbers with low cost

 

http://sta.sh/01zb93yr5r9o

 

that could help a little is a good mid zone the real problem is the duration, duration give more dps to ember, she immolate and not pulverize after all  

 

http://sta.sh/0144p7zy3dhm

 

i put in there this 3 mods

 

http://sta.sh/01g39em8fety

 

Give me more duration and continue with the same range well 0.5 m more and a knockdown recovery...

 

and i use like that too

 

http://sta.sh/01fre6b13hnb

 

you lost range but you gain a sustained dps apparently corrosive status stack so is -30% armor from the aura and -25% per stack ignis have a 20m range so she will hit first and probably reducing armor before you hit with wof and accelerant use fireballs when you reload ignis ember prime have that advantaged so use that to give more room 

 

but yet i think she need a buff on the stats, based on her appearance (damn that body man ...she is hot put a dual pistol and noble stance and you get a boner LOL) more speed [1.1 or 1.2], stamina or rate recovery (she have a high shield recovery just trade that dunno) and armor 65 would be nice

 

maybe that helps with your problem dunno....