You Know What Really Missing In The Games Right Now?

[Chaosdreamer]

hi , (Edit : By reading this , I'm not taking any reponsability of eyes hurt , due to bad english ! read at your own risk)

 

I'm not sure if you guys will share the same Idea of me ,but still want to share this one .

 

So recently I've started to play back some "Old school games" and recent one ,here some example of game I've played

 

(Darksiders,Metro 2033,dead space ,red faction ,lord of the ring ,castlevania lord of shadow 1/2 and many more)

 

Now , that is said (I have played way more than those games ofc) , Even if I did'nt get 2-3 games legitly I've brought them

 

later in correct price , why? Simply because I did enjoy those , you know when you do "traveling , exploring, questing,

 

following a story" . Lets look at those games I've picked up 

 

What can you really do in those games? most of them or offline only , They are pretty much linear story (I mean , you

 

have to go this way that nearly the only path) Let's take say we are playing either Dead space , or Metro 2033

 

the first thing you will never do , is running and spraying due to low ammo , and also ennemies coming randomly (and scary) in your way , well in Warframes we can run , rush , spray to hell nothing matter...

 

now lets pick up castlevania type games , what we have ? customised area , "weapon ranking, special skill"

 

In warframe , what we have is : 150 billion same ships (never bored of making same ship , no mistake , no coloring?)

don't tell me tilesets ,after a while they get borring (also the tileset they are doing in order in good for newbies /news starter) You know what I mean , even with the "map randomisation" we're in the same ships over and over nothing surprising , we can nearly remember where you put the enemies or expect to see one....

 

If you looked at the games I've picked , they are all "Solo" mode , nothing online , yet , I find some of them really difficult in normal / easy mode , I can't say why , is it because those games have better damage/defence system?

or maybe the style of games ? in Metro or Dead space , you have be carefull about your ammo , and from where your ennemies come (and some hazard in your way) in castlevania , you must look many way from where your ennemies coming while you are doing your basic task

Now if we look at warframe , we have Lotus ordering to kill us more and more enneme theire no need of reason to keep doing it , just do it ,it okays since they are firing first right?

 

What currently we have in warframe : Same piece of maps even if you make it random each time you enter , you can still recognize the area and be like "Didn't was pass this room already?" even sometime in some maps where you take 4/5 elevator in a row(i mean you still do your 10 meter run to it)

Ennemies ? One Hit Ko except boss , you can go try all the games i have said bellow , you will not one hit ko anything before near to end games and that is not even sure you will be able to do in endgames)

Do you guys really enjoys the same looking ships over and over? One shooting everything ? Doing the Brainless rushing? The Fake difficulty in games or stuff to slow you down?

(You know what I mean , The light bulb as trap whch got changed to arc trap , more closed door that require 2 players , random portal that take your energy off , Boss immortality moment (Easier than giving them real move right...)the knowdown (remember in the past when the first thing of infested what to leech out your energy , now his first thing is know you down)

oh and praying RNG daily to get item or ressource you really want ...

 

(Will be spacing text later)

Edited April 4, 2014 by Chaosdreamer

[Moomabo]

First question. If you think Dead Space and Metro 2033 are "oldschool" how old are you?.

[Chaosdreamer]

I'm 23 , those are pretty old games , by old school i avoid'ed saying all the games like final fantasy series and mgs etc you know emulating those stuff...

 

I've said the most recent finished only(even throught I've brought them from old humble bundle a while ago)

[zebar1313]

Tbh i read this like you sounded like this guy...

 

 

And playing solo on this game is difficult for new players. they are unable to kill stuff with one shot as you say. They have trouble playing through endgame if they play solo. Dead space, i dunno what you did wrong but i was able to one shot on that game pretty well, and red faction that game got boring quick. This game, despite have a lot of "similar tilesets" still has a lot of variety. Dead space one took place in the same ship the entire time, you even had to back track multiple times. 

Edited April 4, 2014 by zebar1313

[Arlayn]

Castlevania is a bad example... it was as bad as Ninja Gaiden... good lord those enemies spawning in the worst physically possible places. THAT IS NOT A CHALLENGE thats just being cheap, and PRAYING for an RNG spawn where the enemies spawn in such a perfect order you can evade them. Nintendo era didnt **** around with you.

 

Metro, and Dead Space are too easy, and Dead Space 3 was just sad compared to the entire series. Heck even the Arcade Dead space was better than 3. The game went from its hardest form in 1, to easier in 2, and even more brain dead easier in 3.

 

Comparing new age games to old age games is mind boggling. You can't compare the insanity of a Nintendo game to a 2010+ game. Because if Warframe was like Castlevania good lord. The map would be crawling with thousands of Rollers, and bombards, and naplams, and scorpions all spamming their best at you like there is no tomorrow. With Arc traps literally covering the walls as if the sky was blacked out. Warframe would be down right impossible.

[Vargras]

What's missing from this game are people who think they know game development better than the actual devs.

 

...wait, no, we already have that.

[alchemistjkt]

Let's take say we are playing either Dead space , or Metro 2033

 

the first thing you will never do , is running and spraying due to low ammo , and also ennemies coming randomly (and scary) in your way , well in Warframes we can run , rush , spray to hell nothing matter...

please do not try to compare survival games to warframe.

they are vastly different to the point that the only real common factor is that you use weapons to kill things.

 

 

now lets pick up castlevania type games , what we have ? customised area , "weapon ranking, special skill"

 

In warframe , what we have is : 150 billion same ships (never bored of making same ship , no mistake , no coloring?)

don't tell me tilesets ,after a while they get borring (also the tileset they are doing in order in good for newbies /news starter) You know what I mean , even with the "map randomisation" we're in the same ships over and over nothing surprising , we can nearly remember where you put the enemies or expect to see one....

i fail to see the correlation you are trying to make here...

every single game that has ever existed has reused assets from one level to another... thats just how games are made.

that said, warframe/DE is constantly adding more tile sets to the game to add more variety to the game.

 

side note:

play any game enough times and will come across the exact same issue.

 

 

If you looked at the games I've picked , they are all "Solo" mode , nothing online , yet , I find some of them really difficult in normal / easy mode , I can't say why , is it because those games have better damage/defence system?

thats because you are bad at them.

they are (mostly) solo games.... they are designed to be punishing so as to keep you playing for as long as they can.

if it was as simple as "hit play to win the game", nobody would ever want to play them a second time.

 

that said, i can kinda see what you are trying to get across here... you think that warframe is too easy, right?

thats a bit of a consequence of having more than 1 player in it and having things divided by levels (you and enemies).

again though, you are comparing apples to oranges.

 

 

in Metro or Dead space , you have be carefull about your ammo , and from where your ennemies come (and some hazard in your way) in castlevania , you must look many way from where your ennemies coming while you are doing your basic task

 

Now if we look at warframe , we have Lotus ordering to kill us more and more enneme theire no need of reason to keep doing it , just do it ,it okays since they are firing first right?

again, i fail to see the correlation between these two thoughts...

apples and oranges yet again (3 times now?)

 

on that second bit though:

that is the same issue with any game that has ever existed... ever.

change places/dates/actions/whatever with whatever is relevant to any game and you will find the exact same problem.

 

 

1. What currently we have in warframe : Same piece of maps even if you make it random each time you enter , you can still recognize the area and be like "Didn't was pass this room already?" even sometime in some maps where you take 4/5 elevator in a row(i mean you still do your 10 meter run to it)

 

2. Ennemies ? One Hit Ko except boss , you can go try all the games i have said bellow , you will not one hit ko anything before near to end games and that is not even sure you will be able to do in endgames)

 

3. Do you guys really enjoys the same looking ships over and over? One shooting everything ? Doing the Brainless rushing? The Fake difficulty in games or stuff to slow you down?

(You know what I mean , The light bulb as trap whch got changed to arc trap , more closed door that require 2 players , random portal that take your energy off , Boss immortality moment (Easier than giving them real move right...)the knowdown (remember in the past when the first thing of infested what to leech out your energy , now his first thing is know you down)

 

4. oh and praying RNG daily to get item or ressource you really want ...

1. boy, you are really harping on that huh?

again, they are always adding more tile sets, its always expanding.

 

2. you obviously dont get to the higher level content much do you?

was already suspicious by some of your other ramblings, but now i know for sure.

 

3. EVERY SINGLE GAME THAT HAS EVER EXISTED... EVER.

 

4. rng is a kick to the crotch for everyone bro, i can more than attest to that.

 

 

final thoughts:

what was the point of this thread again?

[HAYABU5A]

how did u like lords of shadows 2 ? it got bad review but art/music and combat systems were fantastic

there is a dlc out now u know to play as alcuard

 

i know what you mean about the difficulty, i think its because the developers only had the single player system to focus on so the combat is alot more intricate and the game is more varied to keep the single players attention

 

trying playing ninja gaiden 1 & 2 if u want to experience the ultimate in difficulty but sadly no pc ports

[NitroMidgets]

Naturally as a coop PVE game some will say a semi-persistent open world. Given the way the game handles processing and load it would be almost impossible to do however.

 

I'm fairly happy otherwise. I have seen some good suggestions in the past for new mission types that would reuse existing tile sets or slightly modify them. DE is likely already working on new mission types though.

[HAYABU5A]

Castlevania is a bad example... it was as bad as Ninja Gaiden... good lord those enemies spawning in the worst physically possible places. THAT IS NOT A CHALLENGE thats just being cheap, and PRAYING for an RNG spawn where the enemies spawn in such a perfect order you can evade them. Nintendo era didnt **** around with you.

 

Metro, and Dead Space are too easy, and Dead Space 3 was just sad compared to the entire series. Heck even the Arcade Dead space was better than 3. The game went from its hardest form in 1, to easier in 2, and even more brain dead easier in 3.

 

Comparing new age games to old age games is mind boggling. You can't compare the insanity of a Nintendo game to a 2010+ game. Because if Warframe was like Castlevania good lord. The map would be crawling with thousands of Rollers, and bombards, and naplams, and scorpions all spamming their best at you like there is no tomorrow. With Arc traps literally covering the walls as if the sky was blacked out. Warframe would be down right impossible.

btw OP is talking about the NEW castlevania games , u know the 3D ones like warframe except better ? lol 

same with ninja gaiden , the new 3d series

 

not the ancient nintendo versions lmao that would be insane 

[Chaosdreamer]

What's missing from this game are people who think they know game development better than the actual devs.

 

...wait, no, we already have that.

You don't DEV for your own fun , just check up how many fan'art got ingames , 

 

Hayabu , LOS 2 had quite bad ending that was the thing dissapointing , cheap ending we don't know what happen I can nearly say that" Dracula and his son had alot of babyes and rules the human kingdom " something wrong.... for someone who want to be dead , he could have got killed alot of time yet it did'nt...

[Arlayn]

btw OP is talking about the NEW castlevania games , u know the 3D ones like warframe except better ? lol 

same with ninja gaiden , the new 3d series

 

not the ancient nintendo versions lmao that would be insane 

oh the lord of shadow wasn't a separate game? hmm. Never played the new ones after 1, 2, and 3... Along with the old FIRST Ninja Gaiden. Never bothered to pick up those titles they looked odd, and easier.