An Idea That May Solve The Founders Package And Not Bringing It Back

[BerserkerPrime]

what about if anyone who is a founder can upgrade his package. for example:

if i bought the hunter package and i want skana and lato prime i can pay and upgrade my package because im alreaday a founder. PLZ PLZ PLZ DE think about it a little

[LordChronos]

Doesn't need solving...

[BerserkerPrime]

well so why so many people write tons of threads about bringing it back

[Kaokasalis]

Far as i know your the only one that has double posted a thread about it in a week.

Edited April 6, 2014 by Septin

[--MANA--]

well so why so many people write tons of threads about bringing it back

because many people weren't properly informed about founder's pack.

[Silraed]

What exactly does this solve? The only thing I could see this doing is rubbing it in the faces of non founders even more.

 

 

Doesn't need solving...

 

Truest thing I have seen all day.

Edited April 6, 2014 by Silraed

[Marthrym]

because many people weren't properly informed about founder's pack.

It was pretty straigthforward to me... "Buy to support DE before it's gone." How hard is it to understand?^^'

 

What exactly does this solve? The only thing I could see this doing is rubbing it in the faces of non founders even more.

 

That's actually a very good reason, I did not think of that...

[Volt_Cruelerz]

what about if anyone who is a founder can upgrade his package. for example:

if i bought the hunter package and i want skana and lato prime i can pay and upgrade my package because im alreaday a founder. PLZ PLZ PLZ DE think about it a little

No.  They actually dragged out the upgrade period.

 

No.

[--MANA--]

It was pretty straigthforward to me... "Buy to support DE before it's gone." How hard is it to understand?^^'

Yes but according to my calculation, you alone isn't many.

 

DE had to make it clear on one of the livesteam that it is not gonna come back and it was stated in the information and many people didn't see that information thus clarifying it to them afterwards.

[DEATHSCYTHE38]

I doubt I can but is there anyway to upgrade my Founder's Account?

[PoorCensored]

Far as i know your the only one that has double posted a thread about it in a week.

 

Because people normally post only 1-2 threads about it before they get tired of being derided for their opinion? The pro-exclusive community is pretty hardcore here. If I used the forums response to new players asking about how to get exclusive stuff, or that they'd like exclusive stuff to be re-released in some fashion, as a gauge for the overall community; I'd think the entire warframe community were a bunch of $&*^s. I'm not saying the community is bad (the community is really nice overall), but the amount of pro-exclusive rancor that bubbles up at anyone who broaches the question is intense - not quite Team Fortress 2 level, but the longer I'm here, the worse it seems to get.

Edited April 7, 2014 by PoorCensored

[Volt_Cruelerz]

Because people normally post only 1-2 threads about it before they get tired of being derided for their opinion? The pro-exclusive community is pretty hardcore here. If I used the forums response to new players asking about how to get exclusive stuff, or that they'd like exclusive stuff to be re-released in some fashion, as a gauge for the overall community; I'd think the entire warframe community were a bunch of $&*^s. I'm not saying the community is bad (the community is really nice overall), but the amount of pro-exclusive rancor that bubbles up at anyone who broaches the question is intense - not quite Team Fortress 2 level, but the longer I'm here, the worse it seems to get.

DE went back on their word once with Frost Prime's exclusivity after saying multiple times that it was exclusive.  The community exploded in fury because they felt hurt and lied to.  Sure, some morons were upset that it wasn't exclusive because they wanted an ego booster, but most just felt they lost a lot of trust in DE that day.

 

The effect would amplified many times if the beta exclusives went out and they were free.  Imagine the scale of carnage if the Founders gear got re-released.  It wasn't just words.  It wasn't just a thank you and words.  Monetary transactions were involved.  That's why people fight this so hard.  We don't want to see DE make a monstrously bad business decision.  Maybe the Founders gear shouldn't have been sold on the premise of being exclusive.  Regardless, it's there now and we're stuck in the situation.

 

I'm tired of fighting for exclusivity, but I don't want to see Warframe implode from DE re-releasing Founders gear.  When people get tired of fighting for a cause, they get snippy.  When many people get snippy, it turns to vitriol.

 

The only way I keep myself sane with things on this subject (and similar ones) is by making standardized responses that I can rubber stamp.  It's impersonal and not the nicest thing, but it's better than getting angry at people.

[SolarDwagon]

Yes, people get snippy because of explaining, fairly repetitively, that Founders was marketed as "Exclusive", and especially at the end, was marketed as "Last chance to get this"-I don't know details of consumer law, but I have a feeling re-releasing Founder gear could open DE up to lawsuits, let alone the portion of the community they would be guaranteed to either lose outright, or never *ever* get a single cent from again. [Doubly significant since they've already shown themselves as people both willing and able to spend money on DE]

[liavalenth]

I have no problem with the loss of the founder packs, as it was very clearly noted as a limited time thing. Admittedly, I would like to upgrade mine, it is my fault for leaving for a few months to allow DE to update things (I was getting tired of waiting for new things, leave for a few months and come back and the game is very different, mostly for the better) and missing the removal of the package. Do I think they should bring it back? No. While I would like it, I am not sure it would be good for them, and I do not expect it nor would I request it from them.

 

As for them bringing it back and opening themselves up for lawsuits? Somehow I doubt that is possible. However, I know almost nothing of Canadian or International consumer law, so my thoughts on this really aren't very helpful. As far as I know, they have pretty much the right to do whatever they want with their game, but they do have to consider the backlash it could cause.

 

That being said, I would like the ability to join the Design Council through another option - although Founders may never be back it would be nice to have another way into that.

Edited April 7, 2014 by liavalenth

[(PSN)The_Moustache]

DE went back on their word once with Frost Prime's exclusivity after saying multiple times that it was exclusive.  The community exploded in fury because they felt hurt and lied to.  Sure, some morons were upset that it wasn't exclusive because they wanted an ego booster, but most just felt they lost a lot of trust in DE that day.

Going back on that was a very good idea, even if it cost them. Keeping a frame event exclusive or making Primes Founders only would have been a cataclysmically stupid decision. They probably realized this and just decided to take the hit. Excal Prime is still an issue, but if Frost Prime and possibly the other Primes were exclusive? It would be much, much worse than it is now.

[Volt_Cruelerz]

Going back on that was a very good idea, even if it cost them. Keeping a frame event exclusive or making Primes Founders only would have been a cataclysmically stupid decision. They probably realized this and just decided to take the hit. Excal Prime is still an issue, but if Frost Prime and possibly the other Primes were exclusive? It would be much, much worse than it is now.

They never should have said Frost Prime was exclusive in the first place.

 

The other thing was that primes started out as a thank you to Founders, nothing more.  But then other players wanted shinies too.  And that's how you get the current situation..

[iceburn250]

I have no problem with the loss of the founder packs, as it was very clearly noted as a limited time thing. Admittedly, I would like to upgrade mine, it is my fault for leaving for a few months to allow DE to update things (I was getting tired of waiting for new things, leave for a few months and come back and the game is very different, mostly for the better) and missing the removal of the package. Do I think they should bring it back? No. While I would like it, I am not sure it would be good for them, and I do not expect it nor would I request it from them.

 

As for them bringing it back and opening themselves up for lawsuits? Somehow I doubt that is possible. However, I know almost nothing of Canadian or International consumer law, so my thoughts on this really aren't very helpful. As far as I know, they have pretty much the right to do whatever they want with their game, but they do have to consider the backlash it could cause.

 

That being said, I would like the ability to join the Design Council through another option - although Founders may never be back it would be nice to have another way into that.

The Founders Package was a last minute buy because I was scrapping to get the cash to buy it. (My weekly pool cleaning money went dry when we were getting renovations.) So I understand the people who didn't make it or didn't fully realize the meaning of the impending deadline. But as the majority have said, Founders status was exclusive and needs to remain that way. The idea of lawsuits isn't so ridiculous do to the fact that America is one of the many countries that contains Warframe players. (I am american no offense meant. Just pointing out the fact that america is notorious for lawsuits over nothing) However liavalenth brings up a marvelous idea of a way to access the design council. This is what i was aiming for when I ought Founder status. But do to the fact that I was virtually broke it was out of my reach. Whatever the DE's decide in regard to this topic I'll stick by the game and continue to play.

[liavalenth]

After some research it appears the DE invites a certain number of people each month into the design council. I apologize, I did not realize that they did that. I withdraw my wish of having a way in, as one already exists. Although being able to pay ones way in would be nice as long as there is a way in it all works out eventually.

[PoorCensored]

DE went back on their word once with Frost Prime's exclusivity after saying multiple times that it was exclusive.  The community exploded in fury because they felt hurt and lied to.  Sure, some morons were upset that it wasn't exclusive because they wanted an ego booster, but most just felt they lost a lot of trust in DE that day.

 

The effect would amplified many times if the beta exclusives went out and they were free.  Imagine the scale of carnage if the Founders gear got re-released.  It wasn't just words.  It wasn't just a thank you and words.  Monetary transactions were involved.  That's why people fight this so hard.  We don't want to see DE make a monstrously bad business decision.  Maybe the Founders gear shouldn't have been sold on the premise of being exclusive.  Regardless, it's there now and we're stuck in the situation.

 

I'm tired of fighting for exclusivity, but I don't want to see Warframe implode from DE re-releasing Founders gear.  When people get tired of fighting for a cause, they get snippy.  When many people get snippy, it turns to vitriol.

 

The only way I keep myself sane with things on this subject (and similar ones) is by making standardized responses that I can rubber stamp.  It's impersonal and not the nicest thing, but it's better than getting angry at people.

I don't think DE has any good options regarding current exclusives.

Exclusives never seem to do any good long term for any game I've ever played.

Games are centered around concepts of a fair and equal playing field... and exclusives erode that.

Yes, DE going back on its word is wrong, but so is having exclusive items. It's a no-win situation, like you would find in a Greek tragedy.

I don't know that there is anything that can be done, and vitriol will likely bubble through the community on the subject until the game ends.

[Archistopheles]

Nice nekro...

 

 

If this happened, I would buy Grand Master just to piss off the other GMs.

[Phatose]

Yeah, this is a terrible suggestion.  The fact that you're a founder doesn't make "You had your chance, you knew it was ending, too late now" any less true.  Those items are not returning for good reason.  Returning them only to a very certain class of people - people who in no uncertain terms knew they weren't coming back - would be hypocrisy of the worst sort.

[(PSN)ElZilcho]

I'd kind of like the opportunity to get them on console. I'm not going to ask for it to happen, but those of us playing on PS4 never really had the opportunity to get this. Yes, we could have bought founders and counted on the game's console version not being cancelled, but that's a lot of faith to put in. Games that look cool and seem on track get cancelled or go dark all the time (Oh, The Last Guardian....) We also need to have account transfers from PC, since it was never available as a console purchase, arrive. They haven't. DE says it's up to Sony at this point, and that they have the system working, but I always hear about our updates lagging behind because they fail certification so... What if the account transfer never becomes a reality?

 

Friends and I have joked about how everyone would go completely honeynutclusters if the PS4 version were given a way to acquire this stuff now, because you can't say they truly had the opportunity, and PC wasn't. On the other hand, I've looked at the wiki and the weapons don't appear to be anything special or really even good, based on the power-creepy new equipment and Excal is really just Excal. Do people actually use their founders gear enough to show it off, like they don't want anyone else to have it to lessen the prestige, or do they just not want to know other people might have it (but also never use it because brakk and marelok)?

 

tl;dr I'd like it to come back as an in-game obtainable thing, but totally understand with DE keeping their promise to founders and not re-releasing it after the cutoff. If they're going to bring it back, it should just go into the game. If not, well, that's fine too.

[Archistopheles]

Look at it this way: The founders program "Kickstart" fueled the release of the PS4 version.

 

 

So... Yeah. You're welcome

[(PSN)ElZilcho]

Look at it this way: The founders program "Kickstart" fueled the release of the PS4 version.

 

 

So... Yeah. You're welcome

 

Yeah, thanks for the bloated, directionless, perpetual beta that will languish on through power-creepy, RNG-reliant, grindfest "content" additions until DE pulls the plug.

 

There might be a game to be snooty about someday, but Warframe isnt it.

 

Okay, ribbing each other aside, I do get it. I agree that if DE said the items should be exclusive and that the time to get them has passed, then the time has passed. I just said it would be cool if these items, which are not really that great compared to others available, were obtainable for their looks. But I'm also okay that they're not. They're not a big deal, really.

Edited April 9, 2014 by (PS4)ElZilcho