Kether Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 As has been stated repeatedly, this is optional. Additional nodes will be created on the map which you can go to or not as you choose. You can still farm the bejeezus out of Cassini and Kappa without The Man From Washington taking the sweat of your brow, Mr. Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jathniel Posted April 9, 2014 Author Share Posted April 9, 2014 Woah calm down. A: No one's "taking your S#&$". The taxes are on what you obtain on that node - not your own inventory. You're acting like it'll be over a 50% tax or something, which if that was even possible, no one would go to that node anyway and, as stated in my earlier post, that clan's sector would eventually fall to a better one with better taxes. B: This...IS an optional "pvp" experience. What, do you think all the current nodes will be taken over by clans? No. The Badlands/Dark Sectors are their own nodes that will be completely optional for people to play on/conquer. No one's going to "rob" you. Wow, chill. Okay... Yeah, i did get the impression from the video that the current nodes were going to be taken over. I saw those two optional nodes for construction, but the way it was explained made it seem like everything in that sector would be taxed. I would be so extremely opposed to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jathniel Posted April 9, 2014 Author Share Posted April 9, 2014 As has been stated repeatedly, this is optional. Additional nodes will be created on the map which you can go to or not as you choose. You can still farm the bejeezus out of Cassini and Kappa without The Man From Washington taking the sweat of your brow, Mr. Ryan. This really needs to be emphasized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocrius Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Only DE could think up something like this in order to (not) improve gameplay. We know they know we know they know more grind is not what Tenno want for the future. Why are they so consistently out of touch with the playerbase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 What's the difference between the clan solar rails and the alliance solar rails when you're in an alliance? I get that the solar rails aren't restricted to alliances, and that a moon clan very much could conquer all by themselves if they wanted to try. But if you're in an alliance, does the alliance rail override the clan rail, assume the clan rail as an alliance rail, or compete with the clan rail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatantfool Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Okay... Yeah, i did get the impression from the video that the current nodes were going to be taken over. I saw those two optional nodes for construction, but the way it was explained made it seem like everything in that sector would be taxed. I would be so extremely opposed to that. I see. So it was just a partial misunderstanding. What you were saying makes a bit more sense to me now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraank Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) At first: If U13 arrives there will be a power vacuum and every alliance will try to get a piece of the cake. If someone tries to set up railways (doesnt matter if high tax or non-profit)=> they ll get steamrolled by other alliances because the temporary situation is very unstable. We will have a gradivus-like grind the first few weeks/(month?).And i think no one will be able to hold a single non-profit tower. for a long time. Edited April 9, 2014 by Fraank-EGT- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braken Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 At first: If U13 arrives there will be a power vacuum and every alliance will try to get a piece of the cake. If someone tries to set up railways (doesnt matter if high tax or non-profit)=> they ll get steamrolled by other alliances because the temporary situation is very unstable. We will have a gradivus-like grind the first few weeks/(month?). And i think no one will be able to hold a single non-profit tower. for a long time. Yeah, actually. You bring up a good point. The chance that any of the dark sectors will be un-contested will be insanely slim... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) Yeah, actually. You bring up a good point. The chance that any of the dark sectors will be un-contested will be insanely slim... Not if alliances start forming non-aggression pacts. My guess? That, if these form, they'll center around the Origin Protectorate, the Solar Coalition, and whatever alliance Warbros establishes. Edited April 9, 2014 by AntoineFlemming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonMOON Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 So... all thats in badlands is more resources? I was kinda hoping for some new mods, maybe rare parts of some sort o.0. I am wondering how the badlands benefits those of us that ever bought a resource booster, cuz I got 60+ of all the "rare" resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deidaku Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Screw you guys i'm going with the divide and conquer tactic with my clan XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuroraSonicBoom Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Well, everything that decreases the amount of egocentricity in the game of which clan owned rails will be a big part of, I thourougly support. The less bragging and prestige in the game the better especially if it could potentially inibit the fun of other players. I'll talk to my clan about it. If it turns out that an alliance can keep a rail maintained with a 0% taxation out of their own pockets I'm willing to contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revenant102 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 It's just the few nodes that are the Dark Sectors. They will be taxed, yes, but ultimately the rates will stabilize once the community and the clans reach an understood equilibrium. I for see a stable rate at 5-10% of reward totals as reasonably likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jathniel Posted April 9, 2014 Author Share Posted April 9, 2014 Well, I may as well change the title of this thread.It was meant to protect ALL the current nodes, as I perceived that they were in danger.IDGAF what happens in the Dark Sectors. The big clans can farm that crap all day long. In time, the market will simply be saturated with their drops, and I'll get things cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent_of_Change Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) Not if alliances start forming non-aggression pacts. My guess? That, if these form, they'll center around the Origin Protectorate, the Solar Coalition, and whatever alliance Warbros establishes. Except what you are missing is that a (for emphasis this is an extreme example) Ghost Clan could save up and plant a rail in contest to any rail all on their lonesome, and then if the community writ large backs them for what ever reason it doesn't matter what non-aggression pacts exist, that rail is gonna fall. It's kinda the brilliance of the system, it doesn't matter who challenges if the community backs a side, that side wins. And if I'm not mistaken I'm sure there are many people out there would would back opposition to any rail backed by the mega clans/alliances on general principle. Edited April 9, 2014 by Agent_of_Change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abenoki Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 As has been stated repeatedly, this is optional. Additional nodes will be created on the map which you can go to or not as you choose. You can still farm the bejeezus out of Cassini and Kappa without The Man From Washington taking the sweat of your brow, Mr. Ryan. that felt like a bioshock ref? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead_Rabbits Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Fighting for taxes, we are becoming the corpus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feallike Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) What's it going to take to kill this solar rail tribute S#&$ and get it over with? The solar rail network tax crap, is a horrible idea, imho. Creative but bad, and cramps a lot of people's style. I personally got some resources sitting around to contribute to help build a free solar rail network. As far, as i can tell from the video, this nonsense is going to tax noobs first starting off, and just be a general pain in the &#! across the board. I hate it. I hate it already. I'm a small business owner in real-life, so I have a lot of negative sentiment to taxes and fees in general. I don't want that popping up in a video game; much less so to be a form of big groups to bother small ones. The time and resources needed to construct a solar rail network that doesn't stick it's hands in our pockets will be costly. But I am willing to contribute. I'll get a few of us in Black Sheep, to help with securing noob locations. And busy places like Eris. OMG THE UPDATE IS IN 1-8 HOURS COULD YOU NOT HAVE WAITED!! -.- (very tired of forums predicting, i mean it would be so easy to wait and review it yourself but you just have to predict even though its coming out today!!!) Sorry didn't mean to sound so harsh, but seriously man the update is so close couldn't you have just waited for a bit. ;( All your doing is pissing people off. Edited April 9, 2014 by Feallike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koolen Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Truth. The two fastest ways to get yourself attacked is having a super high tax or having no tax at all. Set it too low and you just open yourself up to be attacked because you gimp your own ability to maintain the tower. I don't agree with you: we have seen that player from other clans/alliances can participate for us/our ennemies when the rail is contested. So I think that they are rationnals and choose the clan most for the prfoit that they could do: wich clan will they choose to support between 5-10% tax and 0-3% tax ? personnaly I'll choose the second :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulEchelon Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Not if alliances start forming non-aggression pacts. My guess? That, if these form, they'll center around the Origin Protectorate, the Solar Coalition, and whatever alliance Warbros establishes. Warbros? Weren't they dismantled, or did they totally take a steaming dump on their "morals" and come back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Warbros? Weren't they dismantled, or did they totally take a steaming dump on their "morals" and come back? It was just their warlord. They still exist I thought. Either way, some of the moon clans will start their own alliances I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersight Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Thought of exactly the same thing myself, but I doubt it would be in my means to acheive alone (as the warlord of a clan that the last owner upgraded to storm tier with ~3 active members -_-;). The rails need to be kept up, and huge multi-moon clan alliances and meta-alliances will have thousands upon thousands upon thousands of members to throw at whatever they want... It's a nice thought, and I would support it, but people (especially people in this game it seems) are greedy, so I have some serious, saddening doubts about a free-rail project succeeding. But who knows? Maybe it's worth a shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeless Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Lol. In real life, North America also wanted free trade... I think I will wait and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feallike Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Lol. In real life, North America also wanted free trade... I think I will wait and see what happens. But we won that war. :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulEchelon Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) Fighting for taxes, we are becoming the corpus. All depends on the clan. Some will tax only to keep their rail intact, others will raise taxes higher to indeed become the corpus. And their greedy milk will no doubt fall eventually, because it's doubtful the playerbase will take kindly to high taxes. It was just their warlord. They still exist I thought. Either way, some of the moon clans will start their own alliances I'm sure. There was a thread a bit ago that got buried stating Warbros pretty much left Warframe. Some were even speculating they were voting against Warframe in the MMObomb contest. But anyway, that's history. No need to dredge up things that should be forgotten and I'm sorry for doing so. Edited April 9, 2014 by SoulEchelon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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