LJ6580 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 +1 great way to put perspective on the game. Why can't people just be happy the finally implemented some passive upgrades? I for one, am happy about the passives, see you just tossed me in a group that probably doesn't exist or has very few users apart of it. I want them to keep passives, I want them to nerf or remove the mods though. why not give some pasives to weapons ?! mainly ammo/ clip - those wont hurt the mod system Yes, why don't we give them dmg and random chance for elemental dmg as well? There's 8 slots and 60 points to fill, weapons are more then fine where they are. -LJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Steve Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 why not give some pasives to weapons ?! mainly ammo/ clip - those wont hurt the mod system Yep. We are looking at this as well, though it isn't as clear... For those worried about top-end difficulty, boy oh boy, just wait. RELEASE THE VOLTRON NERVOS! Seriously though, the top end curves are going to get adjust on AI. It was the low-end squishy and the fact that those two Mods were make-or-break that make the 10 warframe mod slots really 8 in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenzonic Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I am dying for you guys to say April Fools to this passive increase on stats... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notso Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 1350 shield and 2500 health on my Saryn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missile Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 bit overpowered... Redirection 400% + hp 400% = Godmode = booring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Steve Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I am dying for you guys to say April Fools to this passive increase on stats... Yeah, the thought crossed my mind... but no, this is legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayblaze Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Getting rid of Vitality and Redirection was needed, but not all this stat inflation we got. You're dead wrong buddy, but feel free to roll without vitality and redirection now that you have the CHOICE to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronessBlacksilk Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Because it makes it more viable to play without using a Vitality card, which means you get an extra mod slot freed up to put something else there instead. Anyone who thinks this makes the game "too easy" can do the same. Remove Redirection and Vitality cards now that you have some passive health + shield + energy. This right here... now my Saryn will be rocking Flow, Streamline, Focus, Continuity, and instead of vitality and redirection I'm putting in Rush and Marathon. Same goes for my Trinity and Nyx. Going to love being a speedy caster now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princze Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I dont support the health, and shield increase, because: -I just made a solo run (with Loki) on a 35+ level map, and nearly melee'd all the enemies. Even if i get knocked down by a shielded grneer, i dont have the fear to die, because they cant chew trough 375 shield and 225 health fast enough. I like the energy increase, because: -As we level up, we gain access to use higher level skills, that requires more energy to use, and you have the feeling that you are evolving. Higher level characters have more chance to form the battlefield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrisulfr Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I believe you get 1.66666667 power per level. My lvl 9 ash has 115 power and my lvl 27 rhino has 45, both with potato. Confirmation needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSuperTaco Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) Some small hotfixes today Health, Shield, and Power Max stats will now passively increase with level. so does this mean that i lost these mods(gaining more mod slot capacity) and instead just get more health ranking up? if yes then i guess that i got more mod slot space, YAY, but is it on warframe rank or level rank? EDIT: wow i lost a level in my vitality mod? i used to have 200% now i have 160%. why? or is it that i still have the same amount of health(only lost level in this mod) with this ''passive leveling''? Edited April 1, 2013 by TheSuperTaco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasmir Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 bit overpowered... Redirection 400% + hp 400% = Godmode = booring Shhh you are going to get flammed if think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Steve Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Warframe rank so does this mean that i lost these mods(gaining more mod slot capacity) and instead just get more health ranking up? if yes then i guess that i got more mod slot space, YAY, but is it on warframe rank or level rank? Based on Warframe rank. You still have your mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsoe Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) RELEASE THE VOLTRON NERVOS! cant resize :/ but... me gusta Well better ia and elite squad (stalkers/wairth) would make it too 8D Edited April 1, 2013 by Tsoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prepoznator Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Yep. We are looking at this as well, though it isn't as clear... For those worried about top-end difficulty, boy oh boy, just wait. RELEASE THE VOLTRON NERVOS! Seriously though, the top end curves are going to get adjust on AI. It was the low-end squishy and the fact that those two Mods were make-or-break that make the 10 warframe mod slots really 8 in practice. One bunch of troll balls coming right up!Cant wait to see speedruners with that and improved AI :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plznohurtme Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 At first I was really excited about finally getting passives, checked Loki first: went from 75 hp/shield to 225 hp/shield and I thought well that's legit that's about a 150 increase, makes sense... then I checked my ash which was 150 hp/100 shield and now it's 450 hp/300 shield... erm... wait... what? and just to check with my mag which isn't 30 yet it would appear that the math is leading to 450 shield/ 225 hp from 150 shield/75 hp... so rather than doing a static passive (which would lead to more balance amongst the frames given some dramatically different starting points) DE appears to have gone the route of just giving +200% at rank 30 which just compounds the issue and makes the frames that were strong before much stronger. This is definitely not a good route to take. If all the frames had gotten a flat +150hp/shield I don't think we'd be seeing such a big problem and there wouldn't be this huge disparity which has just been made worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenzonic Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Yeah, the thought crossed my mind... but no, this is legit. I'll just wait for tomorrow and hope you're joking -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MersennePrime Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Is there a max shield capacity now? Because of the passive leveling, my defualt shield capacity on my warframe is now 450. When I attach a mod that increases my shield capacity by 200% (so it should in theory double it, making it 1350), I only get 750. That's not even double the amount... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juper0 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 My favorite update yet! Thanks DE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasmir Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 THE NERVOS ARE COMING GUYS ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturnus Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 1350 shield and 2500 health on my Saryn... how'd you end up at that figure? the % of vitality only takes into account the 150 base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plznohurtme Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Is there a max shield capacity now? Because of the passive leveling, my defualt shield capacity on my warframe is now 450. When I attach a mod that increases my shield capacity by 200% (so it should in theory double it, making it 1350), I only get 750. That's not even double the amount... I'm guessing the boosts are based off of the base amount... aka your frame's base shield is 150 so you're getting 200% of that added: +300 shield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Steve Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 At first I was really excited about finally getting passives, checked Loki first: went from 75 hp/shield to 225 hp/shield and I thought well that's legit that's about a 150 increase, makes sense... then I checked my ash which was 150 hp/100 shield and now it's 450 hp/300 shield... erm... wait... what? and just to check with my mag which isn't 30 yet it would appear that the math is leading to 450 shield/ 225 hp from 150 shield/75 hp... so rather than doing a static passive (which would lead to more balance amongst the frames given some dramatically different starting points) DE appears to have gone the route of just giving +200% at rank 30 which just compounds the issue and makes the frames that were strong before much stronger. This is definitely not a good route to take. If all the frames had gotten a flat +150hp/shield I don't think we'd be seeing such a big problem and there wouldn't be this huge disparity which has just been made worse. Yep, you're right and we thought of that but it made all the frames more homogenous. We opted to emphasize differences using a % of base (we call this 'stacking multiply') instead of additive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draxxon Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Yep. We are looking at this as well, though it isn't as clear... For those worried about top-end difficulty, boy oh boy, just wait. RELEASE THE VOLTRON NERVOS! Seriously though, the top end curves are going to get adjust on AI. It was the low-end squishy and the fact that those two Mods were make-or-break that make the 10 warframe mod slots really 8 in practice. Yes, thank you! I would really appreciate it a lot if weapons got passive ups again. I know several friends that have stopped playing because of update 7 until things are worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notso Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 how'd you end up at that figure? the % of vitality only takes into account the 150 base. Shhhh I was trying to April Fools DE_Steve [ ; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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