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this horse has been beaten to death and then beaten back to life and back to death again. I think it was even turned into a zombie horse and then beaten to death once.

 

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO etcx9001

 

FOUNDERS GEAR IS NEVER COMING BACK!

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Excalibur Prime, Lato Prime, Skana Prime, Lato Vandal, Braton Vandal are exclusive gear and won't be ever available again.

Late and Braton Vandal are not part of the "not returning". It is only Founders Gear that they stated. If they do or don't with the Vandel, meh.

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Since the Prime isn't that much better I do not see the point. It is shiny but if you enjoy the frame then play the one you have. Instead of waiting for the shiny prime (which they aren't re releasing) just upgrade the one you are using.

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The grandmasters who have it will give you a few reasons why it will not happen, and post some far gone post about how there are not plans to release it again, but it really was a very shortsighted call and it could change in the future if DE realizes that taking the games protagonist frame, the 'hero' of the game,, and make it's prime unattainable is foolish considering the game has grown to over 7 million players - something I doubt anyone foresaw.

 

The only reason people feel it should not happen is because they feel they are entitled to own a frame that has no advantages (other then mastery points and prime-porn) and because it gives them the power to say no.  It is no doubt something that comes up in discussion, and it will not go away - those who have it want it to remain their own special thing, and the more people ask for it, the more they kick and scream about how it was 'promised' to them.

 

It would be more wise in the end to replace the excal. prime with something like a Forma-Prime BP (reusable forma bp) - something that gives the founders a great reward, but not isolate the main protagonist's prime frame. 

 

It will happen, it will just take 'popular demand' to grow, and it will continue to grow I think - eventually a solution like the one I proposed above will come up in council and common sense - namely that the game has grown far larger and has also grown more careful about the nature of exclusive items since it was first launched.

 

This will go on and on - and while I agree that some exclusive things should remain exclusive - there is really no basis of making a whole prime frame, a principle starter frame no less, in a game that has only a few frames, has any ground.  Why not work to find a solution rather then just saying no, or stating that this has been brought up over and over - you think it will stop?  It will not stop because it was a terrible, shortsighted idea that sounded cool at the time with 1000 players, and becomes a terrible idea (possibly game ruining for many) at 7 million.

 

But just watch the grandmasters tell you how it will not happen.

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The grandmasters who have it will give you a few reasons why it will not happen, and post some far gone post about how there are not plans to release it again, but it really was a very shortsighted call and it could change in the future if DE realizes that taking the games protagonist frame, the 'hero' of the game,, and make it's prime unattainable is foolish considering the game has grown to over 7 million players - something I doubt anyone foresaw.

 

The only reason people feel it should not happen is because they feel they are entitled to own a frame that has no advantages (other then mastery points and prime-porn) and because it gives them the power to say no.  It is no doubt something that comes up in discussion, and it will not go away - those who have it want it to remain their own special thing, and the more people ask for it, the more they kick and scream about how it was 'promised' to them.

 

It would be more wise in the end to replace the excal. prime with something like a Forma-Prime BP (reusable forma bp) - something that gives the founders a great reward, but not isolate the main protagonist's prime frame. 

 

It will happen, it will just take 'popular demand' to grow, and it will continue to grow I think - eventually a solution like the one I proposed above will come up in council and common sense - namely that the game has grown far larger and has also grown more careful about the nature of exclusive items since it was first launched.

 

This will go on and on - and while I agree that some exclusive things should remain exclusive - there is really no basis of making a whole prime frame, a principle starter frame no less, in a game that has only a few frames, has any ground.  Why not work to find a solution rather then just saying no, or stating that this has been brought up over and over - you think it will stop?  It will not stop because it was a terrible, shortsighted idea that sounded cool at the time with 1000 players, and becomes a terrible idea (possibly game ruining for many) at 7 million.

 

But just watch the grandmasters tell you how it will not happen.

I think it's more that the prime gear means something to some of the founders. It's a symbol that we were part of something in a similar way that vandal gear is for events.

I think that the majority of the people who want excal prime in the game, aren't those that play excal frequently and play the frame with pride, but they simply have the collector mindset. They would farm excal prime amd let him collect dust.

So in essence you'd be giving up something that was once a symbol to just be another collectible to collect dust.

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I'll put my 2 cents in here:

 

1) I paid a lot of money for my Excalibur prime, to help this game get funded to reach where it has today.

2) It was an exclusive item for those who wanted to help out a struggling game company get the funding it needed to get started.

3) DE knows if they re-release it, there would and could be a lawsuit on their hands due to breach of contract (some people have stated this in a previous thread)

4) DERebbecca already said it WILL NOT be re-released.

 

Like a previous person stated, please quit kicking a dead horse...

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I'll put my 2 cents in here:

 

1) I paid a lot of money for my Excalibur prime, to help this game get funded to reach where it has today.

2) It was an exclusive item for those who wanted to help out a struggling game company get the funding it needed to get started.

3) DE knows if they re-release it, there would and could be a lawsuit on their hands due to breach of contract (some people have stated this in a previous thread)

4) DERebbecca already said it WILL NOT be re-released.

 

Like a previous person stated, please quit kicking a dead horse...

 

1) Entitlement

2) Big time entitlement

3) There is no binding contract so anyone saying that is obviously overreacting.

4) Refer to my post,

 

The point is this:  this game is 7 million strong now and it is growing, when the founders pitched their cash in, it had 300-ish.  I agree there should be recognition of that, your master title, your badge, your spot in DC are all great perks already - I agree that there should be something to replace the Excal. prime frame, something like a Prime Forma BP - which is huge. 

 

But taking the protagonist's prime frame and not having it at least attainable to a community that has grown so much, is very short sighted.  I don't think anyone expected this kind of success - and the smart thing is to recognize that and work with the founders and find something (like the prime forma BP) that will satisfy most of them.  Some will simply scream and shout because it is/was their personal toy (entitlement) and made them "special" but most of the rational ones see that it is really better for the game as a whole which is what you all wanted to see grow (right?).  Every prime frame an weapon that has come out since is attainable - lesson clearly learned by DE - and it should be applied back. (o make the current and past primes be made exclusive too - which would be a disaster.) 

 

Finally, the horse is only going to keep going see. . . with every new player that picks Excal. as their first frame. The first question after they start working towards their starter frames' prime is going to come back to this. . . so I guess you can keep defending it.  I know it was something I asked my Grandmaster friend about 3 days into the game.

 

But 'popular demand will grow - and it is not for the lato prime or the skana or your badge or anything else - it is for their first frames prime.  If it had been loki prime, you can believe it would be 100 times worse.  So thank goodness it is a relatively unpopular frame's prime - that is the only thing keep this thing a horse and not a runaway cheetah.

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1) Entitlement

2) Big time entitlement

3) There is no binding contract so anyone saying that is obviously overreacting.

4) Refer to my post,

 

1) Consumer's rights

2) Investor's rights

3) While there is no technical contract, if DE releases it after saying no for this long, it will absolutely kill their credibility for a lot of people. DE is an independent developer, so they can't afford to &!$$ off a portion of their community like Riot and EA.

4) See above.

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I dont know if I'm the only one who is curious about this the but I love playing with my Excalibur, I wish I could get the Prime. Would there ever be a chance of it becoming available again?

The Prime won't be.  It is an exclusive item.  That's what the Founders were promised and DE should keep its word.

 

However, I expect that at some point, we'll get what amounts to a skin job of the Excalibur that is available to all.  "Primes" are an easy way for DE to get people interested in doing stuff and/or using platinum, so I really can't see DE leaving Excalibur out of that.  Of course, it will have a different look, and probably have slightly different stats and a different name (Excalibur Dex?).  Possibly, to avoid confusion and limit senseless complaining, they might actually call it Excalibur Prime and rename the Founders one. 

 

*shrug*

 

Anyway, sooner or later, there will be a Prime-like Excal for the rest of us, but it won't be what the Founders have.

 

 

The point is this:  this game is 7 million strong now and it is growing, when the founders pitched their cash in, it had 300-ish.  I agree there should be recognition of that, your master title, your badge, your spot in DC are all great perks already - I agree that there should be something to replace the Excal. prime frame, something like a Prime Forma BP - which is huge.

The game isn't 7 million strong.  The number of people playing at any given time should make that pretty obvious.  That number counts things like people having multiple accounts, which people have done for a variety of reasons, like testing, buying formas to make dojos, trying to win events, and/or to take advantage of certain free offers.  Probably a few with accounts on both PS4 and PC.  Not to mention there's probably plenty of people that signed up for an account and never actually played the game.

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Give it another year or two, when most of the founders have gone.

 

They're not going to do it while a large chunk of us are still about, but let's face it; as good as Warframe is most of us are not going to play it forever and ever and ever.

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1) Entitlement

2) Big time entitlement

3) There is no binding contract so anyone saying that is obviously overreacting.

4) Refer to my post,

 

by your argument anyone wanting something they were promised was exclusive and paid for because it was exclusive is an entitled child and they should willingly give up their exclusive items for others just because others want it.

 

I read through your posts and you honestly are insulting founders saying they will kick and cry because they dont want to give up their gear for you to have. Are you sure you are not being an entitled child saying "mommy he has it so i want it too! why cant i have what he has?". 

 

When excalibur prime first came out the only benefit was different polarities. Back then there was no aura slot and no forma so that was an advantage if you wanted certain mods. Now there are aura's and forma so now excalibur prime is litteraly just a reskin. He has no additional bonus over regular excalibur.

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by your argument anyone wanting something they were promised was exclusive and paid for because it was exclusive is an entitled child and they should willingly give up their exclusive items for others just because others want it.

 

I read through your posts and you honestly are insulting founders saying they will kick and cry because they dont want to give up their gear for you to have. Are you sure you are not being an entitled child saying "mommy he has it so i want it too! why cant i have what he has?". 

 

When excalibur prime first came out the only benefit was different polarities. Back then there was no aura slot and no forma so that was an advantage if you wanted certain mods. Now there are aura's and forma so now excalibur prime is litteraly just a reskin. He has no additional bonus over regular excalibur.

 

If I am coming across as being insulting to founders then I apologize for that - it is not my intention to insult anyone.  Simply stating a fact: that the main protagonist of the game, and the recommended starter frame, is and will continue to be the starter frame for any new player in WF should not have it's prime frame monopolized by a small group..  The prime of that frame is a special thing for any player, and they will seek out their first frame's prime (mine was mag, mag prime was my first prime, and it was a little special to me - a big step in the game). 

 

I call out the founders because, well, it is the founders that are going to fight what I believe is inevitable (i.e. these kinds of posts, so called 'zombie horse threads' will continue) because it was something exclusive at the time.  Instead of recognizing the difference between things that should remain exclusive (planets being named, the badge, even prime weapons to an extent and so on) and things that are exclusive but really should not be (prime frames due to the low number of frames, high number of players, and 'attachment' to frames players will invariably form) and moreover, instead of looking for a good 'solution'  - like getting a prime forma BP (which I think is a good idea actually and many grandmasters I have talked to think it is a good compensation too) - but rather shutting the door and saying simply - no - is not good. This is not a good solution imo - not because it is caving into 'popular demand' or 'being weak' or 'breaking a promise' - but rather a recognition that it was a bad idea that sounded good at the time (maturity?) and learning from that in future releases and appeasing. . .well. . .the founders. . . who are the only ones who feel they are going to 'lose' in this.

 

While I am the first to recognize that internet video game communities can come up with some absurd demands on the devs. and a lot of people will cry fowl for the smallest reason - the excal. prime thing was a big mistake (imho) because of the reasons I stated (you read the posts <thanks for that> so I think I have made my point pretty clear there why.)  There is a big difference between the excal. proto skin and the prime skin - there is cosmetic, and then their is prime - primes for the most should be attainable because there is a huge 'visible achievement' attached to the prime frame.  It is a major motivator/driver for a new, and older player.

 

Finally, I don't use the word 'entitlement' as a derogatory term, but, rather as a recognition that some people feel a sense, rightfully or wrongfully, that they 'deserve' something - even if, as I argue - it hurts the very thing they (and I, since I have put some money into the game myself - even if I got on the 'bus' a little later) wish to see it grow and prosper.  When I say an argument is based on 'entitlement' - I am criticizing the fundamental argument, not the person - who I hope wishes to see a game prosper rather then see their 'leet' status  protected and more absurdly, guaranteed.

 

And no, I am not the one crying here - I am simply stating that I understand where it comes from, and it does not make me a prophet to tell you it will only continue and grow as the game grows.  And I agree with the people who feel it is not right that the main character of a 1 year old game is limited to 1% of the player base and cannot be attained even if they reached rank 15 or whatever. 

 

In eve for example, I started in 2004 and have a 10+ year old character(s), it is a game I have major advantages in over a newer player - but - even there, where your game age is a primary attribute, a newer player can do anything I can do given time and effort (more time in the case of eve due to skills.)  I feel that it has been a good thing for eve, and to shut off parts of the game as 'one offs', especially when it is the main character no less, limits the game and deters newer players (why should I bother, I can never attain X,Y,Z) after 1 year is a poor choice, and any founder, especially those who say they invested early and therefore by extension care more, should recognize that - I think.

 

(sorry for the wall of text :p)

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More butthurt forum hermits that feel the need to complain that everyone hasn't been here from day one.

 

Guys, as long as new players keep joining the Warframe community, this question will always come up.  Until they actually release some sort of xcal prime 'black', findable in the void, you'll just have to deal with "dude, where's my prime?" every so often.

 

Stop trolling the forums looking for a reason to be upset at this, and other questions, that will continue to exist with or without your input.

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