Nekros Is A Joke Now

[Taikaponi]

Am I the only one who thinks Nekros is pretty much useless now as a necromancer? With the new Specters, why would anyone bother using Shadows of the Dead anymore? Nekros' only job is now being a looter.

[CandyDragon]

His only job before this was that. Nothing has changed.

[VKhaun]

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Nekros can do SotD and bring specters, AFAIK.

[thecolin-]

Nekros was always a looter. :D

[Stormandreas]

His only job before this was that. Nothing has changed.

Not true.

Nekros works very well if you have a Shadows build, and the shadows can cause some much needed confusion during defense and survival missions. Not to mention taking out heavies, and using them again is EXTREMELY helpful.

[KimchiKen_Prime]

Nekros the Scavenger

[IKADIXA]

He is master of survival.

Like vauban for odd.

[Taikaponi]

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Nekros can do SotD and bring specters, AFAIK.

 

The SotD clones will be just huge blockage in front of the Specters that can actually do something.

[CandyDragon]

Not true.

Nekros works very well if you have a Shadows build, and the shadows can cause some much needed confusion during defense and survival missions. Not to mention taking out heavies, and using them again is EXTREMELY helpful.

Relies on heavy enemies constantly spawning to be effective.

Relies on your aforementioned heavies not dying instantly to other more effective abilities. 

If prior conditions have been met,

Relies on you killing said heavy. In the modes where this would be useful, its not a guarantee that you can do this quickly enough. 

Relies on you not contributing hoping to build a mass army of useful people to do anything.

 

In the same time you've done all this, someone else would have simply removed the threat.

Edited May 4, 2014 by Nariala

[LGear]

Shadows of the Dead has many advantages over Specters though:

 

- Only requires energy to use

- Scales perfectly to level, since you're using your enemies against themselves

- Does not require credits or 7 hours of crafting time

- Can have more or less 7 duplicates as allies

 

Besides, it's not like a Nekros can't use both Shadows of the Dead and Specters at once.

 

 

 

Relies on you not contributing hoping to build a mass army of useful people to do anything.

 

In the same time you've done all this, someone else would have simply removed the threat.

 

How wouldn't a Nekros be contributing anything? If said Nekros has a good weapon, they can contribute to kills, which they can then use for Shadows of the Dead. In fact, a Shadow of the Dead build pretty much relies on a Nekros having a highly effective weapon that can kill multiple enemies at once, so they're still killing stuff for the team. And while their Shadows of the Dead is active, a Nekros can simply spam Desecrate to further assist in drops.

[CandyDragon]

How wouldn't a Nekros be contributing anything? If said Nekros has a good weapon, they can contribute to kills, which they can then use for Shadows of the Dead. In fact, a Shadow of the Dead build pretty much relies on a Nekros having a highly effective weapon that can kill multiple enemies at once, so they're still killing stuff for the team. And while their Shadows of the Dead is active, a Nekros can simply spam Desecrate to further assist in drops.

Shadows of the dead has a kill pool. Simply killing affects the spawns of the shadows, effectively sniping heavy units in sussession is the only real way to maximize its effectiveness. 

 

Simply killing constantly and using shadows leaves you with useless clutter that serves little purpose save for buying time. Time that, in any other frames case can be utilized much better.  (buying time poorly, they use the same janky AI as the rest of the game)

 

You get left with two choices;

Mediocre shadows, but killing things (meaning why use it, you are just a gunframe now)

or 

Focusing on its strengths, but ultimately having to contribute less by the effort. (targeting heavy units, not really able to do anything else for fear of loosing the prior kills from the spawn pool)

Edited May 4, 2014 by Nariala

[Azawarau]

I have to disagree onm shadows scaling

 

Enemy damage and enemy armor scale on well... two different scales

 

Armor shoots high, like really high

 

Damage does too but not enough to keep up with armor and HP'

 

SOTD is nothing but a blockade of uselessness in my eyes...

[LGear]

Even "weak" spawns are still highly useful in a Defense or Survival mission simply by virtue of their presence: they're not really there to kill thought that'd be nice, but weaken the enemy and provide more targets for the enemy to shoot at instead of simply going after your or your friends, and you don't need Heavy shadows to do that.

 

Killing only heavies to keep the pool saturated with heavies is maximizing the ability's strengths, but there's more to abilities than just maxing out their strengths without consideration of their actual combat practicality. I find it better to simply spam Shadows of the Dead as much as possible rather than cherry picking kills, using my Shadows as mobile ablative shielding to protect me and provide extra support.

[(PSN)fingernageldreck]

This thread is the bigger joke...

What does the specter has to do with nekros "4"?

I never saw people care about his "4" anyway. It was useful in certain situations, and it still can be useful.

Still i cant see a impact from the specters on nekros and how players judge him.

And btw if players ask you to join as nekros they dont need or want you for using his "4" usually, they want you to desecrate 24/7.

[Katakuna]

I thought he was only used for Desecrate, anyway.  His shadow minions are, at best, only distractions/meat shields.

[Captwinchester]

Nekros can bring Zanuka back from the dead so....

[Hupf4]

But he looks so cool...

[Sixty5]

I dunno, I was running him as an offensive support today with pretty good results. Terrify seems to work just as well as radial disarm and it also gets enemies out of an area.

 

Hell, in between soul punching and cutting things up with my hate, I had a pretty good time playing him.

 

 

I'd go as far to call my Nekros the Grim Ripper

Edited May 4, 2014 by Sixty5

[Allenaattori]

How can you even compare them? The specter is one shot dead on higher levels unless they block their bullets every time... With SOTD you have an army of copies that slighty can help you in combat but they control the crowd very well drawing fire away from you... And it only takes energy to use it.

[TheBlueMagician]

Come for the Shadows, stay for the Desecrate.

[Azawarau]

I dunno, I was running him as an offensive support today with pretty good results. Terrify seems to work just as well as radial disarm and it also gets enemies out of an area.

 

Hell, in between soul punching and cutting things up with my hate, I had a pretty good time playing him.

 

 

I'd go as far to call my Nekros the Grim Ripper

Radial blind laves enemies standing still and terrify makes them scatter annoyingly :x

 

Feels like terrify misses alot of enemies when i use it

 

Though IIRC terrify has a damage multiplier so thats nice

[Ritchel]

nekros is always been a looter

sotd is a bonus for defences

 

im happy bout me desecreting while my spectre murders everything

 

ATLEAST SPECTRES STICK WITH YOU.

 

ID PREFER A SPCTRE RATHER THAN A HUMAN BEING.

[Sixty5]

Radial blind laves enemies standing still and terrify makes them scatter annoyingly :x

 

Feels like terrify misses alot of enemies when i use it

 

Though IIRC terrify has a damage multiplier so thats nice

Terrify has more Swag. 

 

Chopping my enemies up after flashing them is just so much less satisfying.

 

Cookie cutter builds are boring for the most part anyway. Sure desecrate spam might be helpful, but it gets tedious. I'd prefer to have use of most/all of my powers.

[InhumaneSlayer]

Not true.

Nekros works very well if you have a Shadows build, and the shadows can cause some much needed confusion during defense and survival missions. Not to mention taking out heavies, and using them again is EXTREMELY helpful.

if I wanted to have minions of such a High level and armor, I'd much prefer using mind control and chaos with Nyx rather than killing to summon

[LanCeAlot]

From day 1 I use and read wiki, how his power work.
Desecrate only real deal skill,other just mehkros.

Necromancer just advertisement purpose?