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Guest Tehnoobshow
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I saw his post about a Complete Rework of Warframe and he said that he would follow up on it, but the thread hasn't changed in a year. What happened to him? He seems to be quite intent on making Warframe his game though.

Guest Tehnoobshow
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Anyone know anything about his Complete Rework?

Guest Tehnoobshow
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Go ask him about it?

 

Why are you so curious? He's just a fan with suggestions to improve the game like any of us? I mean I like him as a community member but I feel like you think he has some special control over the game that other people don't.

 

Because I want to write a biography of him.

Guest Tehnoobshow
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Argh! Dammit! I knew I should have asked M. Night Shyamalan! I would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids!

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Basically, he's one of several forum posters who proposed sweeping, all-encompassing changes which never had a chance of seeing the light of day simply because they were far too broad in scope.  As you said, he was trying to make it his game - and well, it's already DE's game.

 

There have been a few posters who've offered what amounts to a redesign as he did.  Well meaning perhaps, and occasionally insightful, but ultimately hopeless - were DE to do a redesign on the level he suggested, they'd no doubt make it their own redesign and at best borrow a few pieces. 

Guest Tehnoobshow
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He's an alien from the M33 Galaxy. His people are at war with the Dolinians and he fled to Earth seeking help. All of his forum posts are encrypted with a message for aid.

 

Trust me. I'm MIB.

 

So that's why he wrote so strangely! Either that or he's French.

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He's a very intelligent person.

 

I don't know if I can reveal real names on the forums, but just search his username and you'll find it on google.

 

He also made a couple great posts reworking other betas / alphas I was in, a noteable one on the End of Nations forums that I saved the entire text of as "greatest post ever" before he posted this warframe one.

 

Not trying to be hipster, but I thought he had some pretty okay ideas before everyone else worshiped him. lol

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A guy with good ideas that ultimately wasn't really listened to by people of importance, I feel.

 

Hey it worked.

Without him jabbering for more stuff, we won't get the Focus system which is supposedly to bring our Warframes to another level hurr durr.

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That thread can be seen from space. It is THAT big.

sry, all thread on the internet are only to be seen on the internet. they can never be seen from space...

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Basically, he's one of several forum posters who proposed sweeping, all-encompassing changes which never had a chance of seeing the light of day simply because they were far too broad in scope.  As you said, he was trying to make it his game - and well, it's already DE's game.

Considering how utterly cancerous some of the things in the game actually are, nothing less than an all-encompassing change would actually fix them.

 

Mods are a fantastic example of this. The list of "required" mods to make a weapon decent grows longer with every update, some of the most important ones are the most difficult to get, like Natural Talent or Firestorm, and things that really shouldn't be mods, like Stances and Auras, were implemented into the Mod system, which only further serves to cheapen the system and dilute drop tables even further. And now, of all things, we're experiencing polarity powercreep, with V and - dominating across the board, particularly since all the Event Elemental mods are V aligned, and all new polarities being introduced arbitrarily. Pretty soon, there will be no reason not to just slap six V polarities on any weapon in the game and call it a day, because you'll need that space for your Serration and Heavy Calibur and Hornet Strike and event elemental mods, which indirectly makes Forma pointless as well, because what was intended to give variety to weapon builds will instead only be used to make the same two polarities over and over again. By the direction we're headed in, polarities might as well not exist, and Forma don't offer flexibility, they just level up your guns step by step.

 

I'm behind Zamboni 100% on this, if nothing else. The mod system is terrible. It's not only inherently flawed itself, but it's actively dragging other game mechanics down with it simply by existing, like Stances and Auras, which should be tied to Mastery Rank, and Forma, which are losing all value in the face of polarity powercreep beyond being used as building materials. The whole thing should be thrown out and replaced, and if DE doesn't like the idea of doing sweeping overhauls to make the game better, maybe they should stop pretending it's a Beta, because that's precisely what happens in Betas. Sweeping changes are made to improve the product.

 

Saying "DE doesn't have to do it, it's too much work," or "it would upset the playerbase, they've invested too much time into it" is exactly the sort of attitude that lets developers get away with being lazy in the first place. I've invested hundreds of hours and more money than I should have into Warframe, and I would rejoice if the mod system was thrown out and replaced with weapon attachments, or if Mastery was reworked from the ground up to include earning Stances and Auras, integrating it with Scott's Focus ideas, and was therefore reset for everyone.

 

If they decided today to take away everyone's Forma and say "these will no longer be used for polarities. They're clan-tech building materials like Feldron and Detonite, are used for Tenno weapons and researching frames, and can drop from ," I would be thrilled.

 

If they decided today to take away everyone's potatoes and say "we're changing how Primes work because the previous system was killing the drop tables with dilution. Primes are now built from a single blueprint that requires the non-Prime frame or weapon, Forma, and either Orokin Catalysts or Orokin Reactors as components (depending on whether it's a weapon or a frame), Reactors and Catalysts will retain their current state of rarity, and the build requirements will reflect this," I would ecstatically throw away my collection of potatoes and start again. 

 

I would cheerfully sacrifice all the hundreds of hours of progress I've made in this game and literally everything in my inventory if DE took a serious interest in improving the game and making it better for everyone. And I'm not even the most dedicated player they have.

 

It boggles my mind how people who have invested just as much time and, in some cases, far more money than I have into the game, don't want to see it improve if it messes with their own private house of cards. Founders alone have invested potentially hundreds of dollars into the game individually, and some people have gone even further with platinum purchases to help support the game.

 

Why invest in a venture if you don't want to see it grow? Why spend all that money on something, and then be willing to accept half-hearted means? I can't hardly imagine how anyone who invested enough time and money into Warframe to get a five-pointed badge would be fine with the current mod system, because it's killing the game. Once upon a time, we were told that stances would not be things we had to grind for. We would not have to grind mods for them.

 

http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=ycb0EbbCji8&p=n#/265;273

 

But the mod system was there, and it was easy, and they had already skipped the deadline twice. So they took the easy way out. They made the Stances mods instead of making them Step 1 of introducing Focus, or being a real reason to care about Mastery past level 8. You do have to grind them. 

 

Just by existing, just by simply being there, the mod system drags down everything else around it. Because it's the easy way out. Why introduce a new mechanic or go through the hassle of revisiting and updating something old when we can simply introduce it as a mod and move on? Why give players the ability to purchase or build special ammunition to enhance their guns in certain ways, give them an edge over certain enemies, when we can just give them puncture, impact, and slash damage mods and call it a day? Why create more Stat Helmets that would demand tactical choices, when we can introduce harsh-but-powerful stat tradeoffs as Vault Mods and move on?

 

And all the while, the drop tables get more bloated, Forma get more useless, and the number of 'necessary' mods grows while everything still only has eight slots you can fill.

 

Scott keeps talking about how Focus will allow us to have things that carry over between frames. It's practically his baby. The way he talks it up, it sounds like a return to the early Alpha days when frames had perk trees you traveled up, only this tree would apply to every frame you used at all times, allowing you to denote yourself as a specialist in certain areas or fields. I can't help but wonder now if Focus will simply be ultra rare mods that drop from Dark Sectors and Voids which you can apply to a new set of mod slots that are assigned to your account, and not your frames or weapons. Will Focus actually be Focus, or just Stances 2.0 for Frames, blanket Auras that you have to farm for, and with Mastery being reduced to nothing more than the points you can allocate towards Focus mods, no different from the levels for weapons?

 

Warframe can be a fun game. But it's not perfect. It's far from perfect. It still needs a lot of work, and some of that needed work is quite extensive. Saying "it's too big, it was doomed to fail, there's no point" is literally the worst possible attitude you could have. It's the attitude of not caring about the game. It's the attitude that allows unscrupulous developers to keep games in a perpetual state of "functioning beta," where all major problems are handwaved away as "it's a beta," but all major overhauls can be indefinitely postponed or neglected because "it's too big, it would upset too many people."

 

It's the attitude that has given all Early Access ventures such a bad name. You made the choice to move into a house when it was still being built. You can't complain if putting up load-bearing walls or repairing the foundation messes up the tent you've pitched in the living room, and the construction company shouldn't feel bad if it does. It comes with the territory of dwelling in a space that still has 'Under Construction' tape everywhere.

 

It's a selfish attitude, at heart. You'd stop the construction of the building that other people, many with less than what you have, will live in, all so your tent doesn't get disturbed.

 

You don't get to say it would upset you if they made sweeping changes. I'm sure it would upset some people, but you forget that you agreed to this. Everyone did. You signed the dotted line when you installed the game that said this was a Beta and that anything about the game, including all player progress made, was subject to change. You can't complain if they suddenly reset the game and you lose some of the things you have, or even all of them. You agreed to that. We all did.

 

I'd cheerfully watch my account get reset back to zero if it meant the death of the mod system in favor of weapon attachments, a melding of Mastery and Focus to create a dedicated system of universal player progression that unlocks bonuses, augmentations, auras, and weapon stances over time, a pruning of the massively bloated arsenal of weapons, existing mods being re-introduced as researchable and craftable alternative ammunition types or functional cosmetics, and a re-envisioning of the Prime system that is more compliant with the existing lore, actually required you to have the weapon or frame the Prime was an upgrade of in order to construct it, and doesn't stretch the drop tables to the breaking point?

 

I would do that for Warframe. Why wouldn't you? You say people who stand for sweeping changes to the game are well-meaning but hopeless. I'm not so sure we're the ones who are taking the hopeless stance. Is your tent really that important, in the grand scheme of things?

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