Has Nova Seriously Been This Strong For 4 Major Updates?

[Kiaru]

I'm willing to defend AMD to a degree: although the damage can be absurdly high, it at least requires you to aim, has a limited range unaffected by mods, generally leaves you vulnerable to attack while using, and, well, it bugs out. A lot. All in all I'd say AMD is actually a damage skill done right: scaling damage but requires actual skill to use right.

 

As for M Prime, it's definitely OP, and not because of the explosions. I actually don't mind the explosions much, as that's the point of the skill (or it should've been anyway). On the contrary, my gripe with M Prime is that it does everything, high damage explosions, x2 damage multiplier for utility, AND a slow effect for CC. And not only does her ability to do all of this at once, outranking a lot of other frames designed for just one or two of aspects, but she also has very good range and no penalties from -duration. So yes, when an ultimate outranks just about every other frame's powers in the game, with little to no drawbacks whatsoever, its OP.

AMD seems very fun and cool to use, but then you realize it does far too much damage and has the range of a nuclear bomb and doesn't require much skill to use effectively at all so it stops being fun. It shouldn't deal the damage it does or have the range it does.

 

But this isn't about arguing if she's overpowered or not, it's simply asking WHY she has been in her current state for 4 major content updates. No other game I've played would've left a Character/frame/class in this state for 4 major content updates.

Edited May 9, 2014 by Kiaru

[Dark5eiD]

There's this ability called Antimatter Drop. You should check it out.

yes thank you i have heard of it. the reason i compare her in high level t3 survival is because thats where the game play is the hardest. trying to launch a slow moving ball then shooting and having it reach the target before nova is one shoted by a room full of enemies can be quite difficult. i agree on every other node on solar system she is OP. but then again it doesnt what frame i use, if i have my 6 forma boltor prime, soma , penta etc every node in solar system is a walk thru anyway...right?

[Frigglish]

Has anybody figured out how to apply the uselessly glib "don't play her" to "don't get randomly assigned some button-mashing Nova-kid in matchmaking"? That's really the greater problem.

Nobody has to play a frame that's not fun, but we're often in games with frames that aren't fun to play with.

[Monolake]

I'm  a relatively new player, been playing for about a month. I've played(and capped): Saryn Ember, Trinity, Ash, Excalibur, Mag in this time.

 

Now I tried out nova, and I'm hitting enemies for 20-40k and 1 shotting entire waves. I'm honestly confused, how is a frame THIS much more powreful than every other frame in the game? How has this frame been so strong for so long?

 

This frame is seriously completely broken, she is single handedly sucking all fun out of the game for me. I'm close to 30 Nova now, but playing her is really, really boring. I just run around 1 shotting things(not even my ult, my 2 alone with a complete garbage low leveled gun is doing 10-20k explosions in a gigantic radius).

 

The amount of damage this frame does compared to any other frame is obscene, the game is not balanced around this frames damage at all, enemies just drop dead in 1 spell with 1000% overkill damage.

 

How exactly have the devs let this frame exist in it's current state for 4 major updates? How? What were they thinking? Do they even play this game? Have they EVER played Nova?

 

 

Yeah, Nova been an 'elephant in the room'  -  everyone knows she is game-breaking OP and ruining games for other players, threads about it popping up every week. Its obvious even from her abilities description and numbers that she is stupidly overpowered (in theory you can do unlimited damage by stacking Antimatter), yet DE has been doing nothing. That's absurd but this is how it is.

 

In the recent dev stream they have promised to rebalance the frames and nerf Trinity and Nova, so there is hope.

[Paradoxbomb]

AMD seems very fun and cool to use, but then you realize it does far too much damage and has the range of a nuclear bomb and doesn't require much skill to use effectively at all. It shouldn't deal the damage it does or have the range it does.

 

But this isn't about arguing if she's overpowered or not, it's simply asking WHY she has been in her current state for 4 major content updates? No other game I've played would've left a Character/frame/class in this state for 4 major content updates.

 

Oh, that's all? Because the community gets incredibly butthurt when DE tries to change something that's blatantly broken, simply put.

 

Obligatory /thread.

[IamSalva]

shes only a power house at low levels....

 

Problem: What Players refere to as "Low Levels" is the intended balance level from DE´s Point of View.

 

Problem: Once you put some good Mods on a Weapon every Weapon does trivialize all Content in that Level Range, as well as several other Frame Powers too. Don´t even need a Nova for that. 

 

This game has no challenge at all once you max your Mods, even if you do 60min Survivals and stuff like that...

[Kiaru]

Oh, that's all? Because the community gets incredibly butthurt when DE tries to change something that's blatantly broken, simply put.

 

Obligatory /thread.

People get upset at change, they hate change. No matter what you do they'll get upset, dev's need to ignore the community when they do big sweeping changes because no matter what you do, you'll get negative feedback. Most dev's understand this. The devs simply need to do what needs to be done for the better of the game.

[Dark5eiD]

Problem: What Players refere to as "Low Levels" is the intended balance level from DE´s Point of View.

 

Problem: Once you put some good Mods on a Weapon every Weapon does trivialize all Content in that Level Range, as well as several other Frame Powers too. Don´t even need a Nova for that. 

 

This game has no challenge at all once you max your Mods, even if you do 60min Survivals and stuff like that...

exactly +1

[SmokinDevil]

And by the replies in this thread, this is why the game still has the beta tag.

[CrimsonCrown]

She was nerfed 2 times already past the 4 major updates.

[Lypiphera]

Most frames can be considered OP. Loki and Ash can just invis and are untargetable and deal 4x melee dmg. Branshee can boost dmg to 11.45x normal. Excalibur has an AOE blind. Frost has a great AOE shield great for defending targets. All of Hydroid's abilities has an AOE CC ability. Mag has 2 forms of AOE CC, can entirely wipe out enemy shields while restore your teams. Nekros provides AOE armor shred, CC, double loot, raise a small army. Nyx can mind control units, cause enemies to turn on each other, act as a damage sponge and nuker. Trinity can make her team invulnerable for nearly the entire game. Valkyr can do that to herself as well. Vauban has two great long lasting AOE CCs.

 

TLDR: Almost all frames are OP

Edited May 9, 2014 by Lypiphera

[Naftal]

She was nerfed 2 times already past the 4 major updates.

How?

[Monolake]

And as to 'WHY'  here is a part of dev stream that will give you some insight...

[Ishki88]

Nova's squishy-ness balances out her damage.   If everyone plays a roll, then Nova's roll is to do high damage in a given radius. 

 

Nova does not need to be nerf'd right now.   Until we get better AI and enemies with a personality/complexity...we need Nova...because she is one of the few frames that'll get us to that point.........she knocks out the chumps until we get the higher level....and that doesn't take long...lvl 40-60 is enough...specially if you're playing on Pluto......

 

Let them introduces other factions/enemies and other tweaks to the game before we nuke her....all I'm saying is.....the same people who complain are going be the same people to @#$@ when he starts swining those nerf hammers

 

Is she overpowerful?  Yes that's the point...that's why she hasn't been touched.....or she has Tennomatic Immunity

 

Edit:   Also she received a change due to DMG 2.0   Which was technically a nerf.   Her radius was nerfed.  And her chaining ability was nerfed.   Also the damage type was change to something more proper.

Edited May 9, 2014 by Ishki88

[Tarille]

Why does everyone compare her to survival? Survival isn't end game and as DE stated SHOULDN'T go for 6 straight hours! the majority of this game reaches lvls 30-40 and Nova is a powerhouse through EVERY node. she can one hit kill everything with M.P. which makes it boring. YES she is desired in survival but like it was stated before DE didn't want people getting to 6 hour survival and its NOT end game. As it stands right now lvl 30-40 is the highest planet and Nova is still an OP Beast. Comparing everything to survival/defense doesn't do any frame justice. Alerts are trivial and T3 ANYTHING is easy as well with her! Survival and defense are the only exception but thats only because it gets harder as time goes on. Otherwise every other mission is whipped by nova and thats the problem.

 

Why does everyone compare her to Survival and Defence?

 

Because outside of that, the highest level content is trivial for ALL frames.

 

Every weapon and every frame can just wipe the floor with level 30 missions. Even frames who's abilities don't scale very well can insta-clear entire rooms of level 30's and weapons can easily 1-shot level 30's (Even before 5x Forma for some)

 

The only time that things actually get strong enough to be worth talking about frames having advantages is in the endless modes where you can face level 50+ things (In fact, there have been people doing over 200 waves in defence and killing things over level 2500 - Even without a Nova for damage output - Just using Ogris and CC abilities)

[Naftal]

Nova's squishy-ness balances out her damage.   If everyone plays a roll, then Nova's roll is to do high damage in a given radius. 

 

Nova does not need to be nerf'd right now.   Until we get better AI and enemies with a personality/complexity...we need Nova...because she is one of the few frames that'll get us to that point.........she knocks out the chumps until we get the higher level....and that doesn't take long...lvl 40-60 is enough...specially if you're playing on Pluto......

 

Let them introduces other factions/enemies and other tweaks to the game before we nuke her....all I'm saying is.....the same people who complain are going be the same people to @#$@ when he starts swining those nerf hammers

 

Is she overpowerful?  Yes that's the point...that's why she hasn't been touched.....or she has Tennomatic Immunity

You do realize that better AI and enemies don't do anything as long as we have broken abilities that kill/cc everything or otherwise make all content trivial?

[Guest Shibboleet]

Toning down weapon mods (Mainly serration/hornet strike) would also tone down AMD. As for Prime...It probably could do without the explosion damage and still be great.

[Ishki88]

You do realize that better AI and enemies don't do anything as long as we have broken abilities that kill/cc everything or otherwise make all content trivial?

 

 

You don't realize better AI and enemies could introduce resistances against Warframes.   A enemy that can't be primed and/or debuffed.

 

It is lore fitting since we have Grineer with Sentinels.

We have Zanuka.

We have G3. 

DE are slowly showing that the Grineer/Corpus aren't going down without a fight.   

Also generals.

We will get enemies with ways to fight us off.

Stalker too.

 

Please remain logical and not blind yourself by butthurt.

 

Edit:  Also the Amphis weilding enemies.   Those introduced element resistance...watch this guy get like 20 upvotes from the BH

Edited May 9, 2014 by Ishki88

[Naftal]

You don't realize better AI and enemies could introduce resistances against Warframes.   A enemy that can't be primed and/or debuffed.

 

It is lore fitting since we have Grineer with Sentinels.

We have Zanuka.

We have G3. 

DE are slowly showing that the Grineer/Corpus aren't going down without a fight.   

Also generals.

We will get enemies with ways to fight us off.

Stalker too.

 

Please remain logical and not blind yourself by butthurt.

Then DE should make new enemy types that would compromise about third-half of all factions in any mission that are immune to any effect and damage that is not strictly single target.

 

EDIT: This is sarcasm btw in case it wasn't clear.

Edited May 9, 2014 by Naftal

[Stonehenge17]

ok I am a little tired of seeing this type of post.

 

The NOVA is a 100% offensive frame. It can output more damage than likely any other frame skill-wise. That is the purpose of the frame, but it is not OP. Most played frames can hit 4 and say good bye to most enemies in range. Nova is no exception to this, but if you don't have a high ranked redirection/vitality and get knocked down on Pluto you will likely be killed if you soloing. The frame is very easily killed. Basically after minute 30 in survival if you stop moving your dead. Hell a Rhino with energy siphon can pop iron skin and skip through the entire game without taking single point of dmg. Nyx isn't considered OP either even though you can confuse half the map and have them kill each other while taking a nap. The antimatter drop of a nova has a small AOE with alot of dmg potential and the projectile is SLOW. It is balanced overall. I can solo T3 caps with my nova in about 2 min or less, but 1 knockdown and I am dead.

[Ishki88]

You all are going to stop crying wolf soon.

 

Once the new infested come.  Papa will a brand new bag.   Grineer and Corpus are going to keep leveling up and you're going to miss what you begged to change.  Warframe history repeats itself and this is nothing different.

 

 

Soon.

[Rioghal]

It doesn't matter if she's squishy if there are no mobs to kill her.

[(PSN)billy-d-squid]

I'm  a relatively new player, been playing for about a month. I've played(and capped): Saryn Ember, Trinity, Ash, Excalibur, Mag in this time.

 

Now I tried out nova, and I'm hitting enemies for 20-40k and 1 shotting entire waves. I'm honestly confused, how is a frame THIS much more powreful than every other frame in the game? How has this frame been so strong for so long?

 

This frame is seriously completely broken, she is single handedly sucking all fun out of the game for me. I'm close to 30 Nova now, but playing her is really, really boring. I just run around 1 shotting things(not even my ult, my 2 alone with a complete garbage low leveled gun is doing 10-20k explosions in a gigantic radius).

 

The amount of damage this frame does compared to any other frame is obscene, the game is not balanced around this frames damage at all, enemies just drop dead in 1 spell with 1000% overkill damage.

 

How exactly have the devs let this frame exist in it's current state for 4 major updates? How? What were they thinking? Do they even play this game? Have they EVER played Nova?

 

 

Yes, yes she is stupidly powerful. And no excuse of she's squishy, well don't play her then, changes any of that. That's all bullS#&$ trotted out by type of people who defend Trinity Link God mode spam, Rhino's Iron Skin back in the day and wailed and gnashed their teeth at Frost's SG nerf.

 

Nova's big problem is MP spam being mind numbingly boring in >30ishlvl game play. What you're describing seems to be that, Prime, shoot, whole lvl explodes. Rinse and repeat, every, single, wave....

 

Once you start hitting lvl 40+ MP is still very useful, it's a fantastic buffer and debuffer, but no more chain explosions killing everything. AMD damage multiplier is on the high side,too high IMO, but it's good as a power mechanic wise, needing a two stage process.

 

There are other frames, like Trinity, which are bad, Nova is just the worst offender until you're at lvl 30ish making the game up until then a bore and an irritation. After that she's considerably more tolerable to have in a team, given MP is just for buffs and debuffs not straight damage at that point.

Edited May 9, 2014 by (PS4)billy-d-squid

[Mcl_Blue]

Personally, when I play Nova, I barely use her abilities at all (even Wormhole, because I tend to forget a lot). I only use Molecular Prime on emergencies or when people ask. I know that's just me, and that most people don't play this nice, this is just my 2 cents.

[Keiiken]

... As for Prime...It probably could do without the explosion damage and still be great.

 

So basically overreact to an ability you see as OP by killing it, because removing the explosion from her ult makes its completely useless as an ult.