Has Nova Seriously Been This Strong For 4 Major Updates?

[victor_victory]

one thing that can balance nova.

No more chain explosion for M prime. 

[Kiaru]

She was nerfed 2 times already past the 4 major updates.

When was she nerfed? There's so many patches it would take me hours to go through them all. Can you please tell me what was nerfed exactly? Thanks :D

[seren77]

She is pretty strong, better nerf Trinity.

[(PSN)billy-d-squid]

So basically overreact to an ability you see as OP by killing it, because removing the explosion from her ult makes its completely useless as an ult.

 

What?! Are you dense? A power which gives a 200% damage buff, 50% speed and enemy fire debuff, has a range of 35m AoE, and no "power in use" cap with a 60 second duration is useless? Really? Really? Have you played at lvl 50+ when Chain explosions don't even scratch things?

 

Chain explosion is the crappiest part of the power.

Edited May 9, 2014 by (PS4)billy-d-squid

[-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS-]

Personally, when I play Nova, I barely use her abilities at all (even Wormhole, because I tend to forget a lot). I only use Molecular Prime on emergencies or when people ask. I know that's just me, and that most people don't play this nice, this is just my 2 cents.

 

That's because the force is strong with you and your knowledge of the force compels you to use your skills of aiming and shooting, as well as the ancient arts of swordplay.  

 

There are many Tenno who have been swayed by the ways of the dark side with promises of limitless power at the push of a button, who enjoy those feels of causing great disturbances in the force, as if millions of voices suddenly cry out in terror and then suddenly silenced.

[Stonehenge17]

What?! Are you $&*&*#(%&? A power which gives a 200% damage buff, 50% speed and enemy fire debuff, has a range of 35m AoE, and no "power in use" cap with a 60 second duration is useless? Really? Really? Have you played at lvl 50+ when Chain explosions don't even scratch a thing?

 

Chain explosion is the crappiest part of the power.

^ lol  chain explosion is what makes the lower lvl content super easy, but I think it should still be needed. I would rather them add a duration to it of say 15-20s instead prohibiting spam. Much like chaos of the Nyx.

[Stonehenge17]

That's because the force is strong with you and your knowledge of the force compels you to use your skills of aiming and shooting, as well as the ancient arts of swordplay.  

 

There are many Tenno who have been swayed by the ways of the dark side with promises of limitless power at the push of a button, who enjoy those feels of causing great disturbances in the force, as if millions of voices suddenly cry out in terror and then suddenly silenced.

True most Nova players don't do this.  I don't use Prime unless asked or past the 30m mark of survival or wave 30 on defense for the most part. I hate ruining the fun for others. With most everyone having high end weapons it is trivial to use really and just a waste of energy until actually needed.

[Lypiphera]

What?! Are you $&*&*#(%&? A power which gives a 200% damage buff, 50% speed and enemy fire debuff, has a range of 35m AoE, and no "power in use" cap with a 60 second duration is useless? Really? Really? Have you played at lvl 50+ when Chain explosions don't even scratch a thing?

 

Chain explosion is the crappiest part of the power.

It depends on what you are doing. Early game the chain is the only part that matters. Mid game the chain and dmg multiplier are what matters. Late game the speed and dmg debuffs are king. As you say, lvls 50+ the dmg doesn't do a thing, but against lvl 20-30s it is still pretty nice.

[SmokinDevil]

Take away the explosions. Everyone still gets to shoot.

[Lypiphera]

True most Nova players don't do this.  I don't use Prime unless asked or past the 30m mark of survival or wave 30 on defense for the most part. I hate ruining the fun for others. With most everyone having high end weapons it is trivial to use really and just a waste of energy until actually needed.

I don't use it because I hate running for loot, lol. I dont see how MP is any different than say Banshee, Ember, Frost, Hydros, etc... Each of them has a high dmg AOE ability that can kill with a single cast. MP just can do it a bit longer. It is no different than using a high end weapon, both make it trivial.

[TwoCrabs]

Yeah, it is.

It's always a solution.

Nova's made for nuking.

Rhino's made for tanking.

Volt's for speedrunning.

Frost's made for defending.

Vauban's made for defending with utilities rather than a solid defese,

Every frame has a purpose.

Every frame has ups and downs.

rhinos made for tanking/crowd controlling/buffing/speedrunning/definding * :P did I miss something?

[Stonehenge17]

rhinos made for tanking/crowd controlling/buffing/speedrunning/definding * :P did I miss something?

Temper-tantrums?  (Stomp Spam)

[(PSN)billy-d-squid]

I don't use it because I hate running for loot, lol. I dont see how MP is any different than say Banshee, Ember, Frost, Hydros, etc... Each of them has a high dmg AOE ability that can kill with a single cast. MP just can do it a bit longer. It is no different than using a high end weapon, both make it trivial.

 

Banshee's Sound Quake is AoE CC primarily, Frost's Avalanche is mediocre damage. Ember WoF has some real issues, namely it's apparently reduced by armour, no CC, lower damage due to the big damage buff on Accelerant, requiring constant accelerant spam at lower lvls than it should, it's also got a 15m radius, deals DoT, and can miss targets( Ancients at lvl 30 will simply barrel straight through it). 

 

MP puts almost every Ult power to shame.

 

 

Weapon balance is a whole different kettle of fish.

[Kashiki]

You're asking to nerf a Frame whose defenses are so low she could barely survive without being totally evasive. Just stop.

[TheBlueMagician]

Kiaru, you aren't very convincing when you say

"Well gawsh guys, I don't think it's OP, but here's a long list of reasons I think it's so powerful it's astounding it's stayed in the game so long without being 'changed'"

 

That's called saying something is OP. You offered a very broad definition of what over powered means. There are no less than 253 implications in that sentence, which you've almost said verbatim, that indicate you think something is OP.

 

And your exact words also point fingers at the devs, as if they're lazy or oblivious for not recognizing and fixing this. I guarantee you they have far more data to work with and understand things than the echo-chamber of anecdotes what make up this forum sometimes.

 

Exact words, for reference

 

But this isn't about arguing if she's overpowered or not, it's simply asking WHY she has been in her current state for 4 major content updates. No other game I've played would've left a Character/frame/class in this state for 4 major content updates.

 

As for the topic at hand...

 

I don't really see a huge problem with Nova. I don't see a whole lot of them, and I don't play a whole lot of Nova myself. Like others have said, she can tear through early to mid game content, but really fails to stack up on the end game content. There are so many other frames that have so much utility than she does that I'd rather see. And that's where Nova fails: she has no utility, not any real sort of utility.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if they removed the speed debuff from MP, since it doeeesn't really need to be there, or make sense for it to be there, but the damage doesn't really cause a problem.

 

And this is something pretty common you see on the forums:

 

I don't like MP! Oh yeah well I do like MP

I don't like stat helms! Oh yeah well I do like stat helms

I don't like Blessing spam! Oh yeah well I do like Blessing spam

 

And on and on and on and on

 

But yeah, I don't really care what they do with Nova, because I trust the devs to properly create this game. But what I don't trust is your garbage attitude of all but accusing the devs of being lazy and oblivious and hiding behind implications as though "read it literally lol" magically makes you intend something different. Nova be damned, I hope they keep it the same to spite people like you.

Edited May 9, 2014 by TheBlueMagician

[UndeadGhostWarrior]

I'm  a relatively new player, been playing for about a month. I've played(and capped): Saryn Ember, Trinity, Ash, Excalibur, Mag in this time.

 

Now I tried out nova, and I'm hitting enemies for 20-40k and 1 shotting entire waves. I'm honestly confused, how is a frame THIS much more powreful than every other frame in the game? How has this frame been so strong for so long?

 

This frame is seriously completely broken, she is single handedly sucking all fun out of the game for me. I'm close to 30 Nova now, but playing her is really, really boring. I just run around 1 shotting things(not even my ult, my 2 alone with a complete garbage low leveled gun is doing 10-20k explosions in a gigantic radius).

 

The amount of damage this frame does compared to any other frame is obscene, the game is not balanced around this frames damage at all, enemies just drop dead in 1 spell with 1000% overkill damage.

 

How exactly have the devs let this frame exist in it's current state for 4 major updates? How? What were they thinking? Do they even play this game? Have they EVER played Nova?

 

you. i hate people like you.

[kubbi]

Ah hadn't seen a Nova topic in a day. So refreshing every time.

H8ers gun h8

[fatpig84]

No idea man.

My full disarm spec loki is ALWAYS the one to pick up Nova when she goes down.

 

Read disarm.

So my invisibility lasts only 5 seconds.

 

But of course everyone will say I am playing at a difficulty not "intended".

 

 

So DE should bring back the old scaling back.

Previously Pluto enemies were at least level 45.

Edited May 9, 2014 by fatpig84

[Ishki88]

Then DE should make new enemy types that would compromise about third-half of all factions in any mission that are immune to any effect and damage that is not strictly single target.

 

EDIT: This is sarcasm btw in case it wasn't clear.

you see i didn't respond right

 

 

its going to happen regardless as far as enemies with resistances.....so...yep yep

[(PSN)Shadow_Of_Hunhow]

I know how you feel, she is fun for a few missions, then you realize how unbelievably overpowered she is and get bored.

I used a build focused on efficiency and range, losing strength and duration by quite a bit with corrupted mods... Nothing even 20 minutes into earth survival could live the explosion, and due to it only costing 25 energy I could spam it non-stop. It was good for a laugh, but it's just sad after a little bit. I don't know how people can play only her all the time!

[Sixty5]

Nova is a Nuke frame, her strength comes from a single power, take that away and she is fairly weak.

 

Hell get to a decently high level and pretty much all her damage falls off, and she ends up becoming an average support frame.

 

She could definitely use some tweaking at low levels, but removing her utility at higher levels is a bad idea.

[neKroMancer]

Well, consider that her MP can debuff speed, buff damage, and chain explosion the entire room filled with enemies (which, ofc, means better ammo economy and absolutely good at defending objective since everyone turned into pink mist means nothing is shooting at the pod) - I think it's a candidate for some tweaking. Scott acknowledged the problem with her in the last stream. 

 

MP is a good power design (mixing damage with debuff/buff) that gone a bit too far compared to other powers. Within the current starmap enemies' level, she is unstoppable.

[Dark5eiD]

the problem with nova is that she needs to be mastery locked to a higher level to avoid newb usage. i use nova all the time and i never had anyone complain to me about anything.

Edited May 9, 2014 by dirtyvinny

[StormCrowReaperManyHat]

I don't know what everyone is on about, Nova is UP, plz buff.

[(PSN)lzldmb]

Personally, when I play Nova, I barely use her abilities at all (even Wormhole, because I tend to forget a lot). I only use Molecular Prime on emergencies or when people ask. I know that's just me, and that most people don't play this nice, this is just my 2 cents.

 

I almost exclusively run Nova and I am the same way. I try to gauge damage output from other users and also understand why they might be in the mission (how's that unranked Dex Furis, Cermaic Dagger and Grinlok doing against...anything). I'll use MP usually when I notice the squad is starting to lose footing, or if someone is down in the thick of things. Nova ain't gonna save you next to that Disruptor, no sir.

 

I love the power of Nova and I am more than willing to spam it when necessary. However, it's a co-op game and it's not about me. A clan mate that I run with all the time loves Ash. I'm Ash Sensitive now; so when I am any Frame in any mission, I look for effects on enemies (especially red). Those who don't are Ashholes. Just because there are 40 enemies in my priming radius doesn't mean I should use it. A fish gotta swim.