Has Nova Seriously Been This Strong For 4 Major Updates?

[ss4chris]

I'm obviously not going to play her, she isn't fun, she's too powerful and makes the game far too easy and sucks all the challenge out of it which in turn makes the game boring.

 

I'm just curios why she's been in this state for 4 major content updates. It's just baffling to me.

 its baffling how you're complaining.

[Wolfstorm18]

I've 'resisted' to build a Nova since it was released. Refused it, more because of design than anything (she looks like a walking foetus sometimes, and that neck is too much alien). But, as I was building more and more frames, I started considering building her. 

 

I started to got sick of so many nerfer crying babies whining that she is too much powerful, asking for nerfs 'to the ground' like the brainless children they are. Well thanks to Novas in my teams I was able to level some weapons quick, because some missions are just boring 'to the ground' and the challenge only starts after some 30 waves (in defense) or 30 minutes (in survival), and she made it pass quick before I started sleeping on my keyboard. 

 

So, thanks to you, whining crying babies, who complain about Nova in thousands of threads, I finally built a Nova a month ago... and now Im loving it! She is the killing walking foetus. She falls like a leaf but she is fast. I garantee to you, she is a enjoyable frame, and if you want to level some weapons quick, she is what you need. She is most useful in ODD missions (which, for all that matters, substituted the old Xini for me). Now I just spam M-Prime everytime just to see the whining nerfers cry, and its very fun. 

Edited May 9, 2014 by Wolfstorm18

[Paradoxbomb]

The funny thing about all this is that this game is a co-op game, instead of bashing Nova with nerfs request, should't people be praising her because she makes things easier?

 

And oh its not like she hogs all the exp to herself ,  mprime actually shares it unlike most abilities.

 

If you just want to stand around the whole time, farming exp and maybe shooting an outlier every few minutes or so than yeah, she's fantastic. Of course if you intended to actually play the game, and use your own weapons and abilities to kill things, then you're out of luck because it only takes one or two bullets to reduce everything to vapor and flashing numbers up until level 35 or so. And even then her damage buff + slow effect + long range + long duration still make her a fairly strong CC/support frame, maybe not the best but just enough to outshine most.

[CarrotSalad]

Nova is currently balanced without maxed Rare power mods.

Take all the rare power mods off and Nova's power is fairly weak as it stands once you get past earth. I played through Nova, Frost and Trinity without those high ranking mods and it was hard and brutal to my deathcount in solo missions.

 

AMD is incredibly hard to control and learn how to use effectively therefore imo it should allow for large amounts damage. (remember when she's casting she's unable to manuevor which means she's a sitting duck for anything.

 

I dont even know how you all get the feed for Mprime imo its weak as anything. but oh, maybe its because I dont use power mods on her like the rest of you :(

 

Just now I done a 2 man tier3 exterminate with my friends Nova he died 3x in 2 missions. But no people on the forums are saying she's overpowered.

 

I used 4 ressurections with my Nova the 1st time i went to a dark sector conflict because she was just too paper and there was too much damage being absorbed. I average 1-2 deaths eaach mission on Ceres if i take Nova along. (solo play)

 

I really hope good comes from all this whining. The should double or triple the cost of those power mods

Edited May 9, 2014 by CarrotSalad

[(PSN)Count_Dante]

Then Frost and Ash will never get their re-works.

You know how long it took to re-work Rhino ?

 

They forget about all other frames back then when doing Rhino.

 

 

They dont need reworking if you bring these back to a normal level. Trinity isnt as hard, re-work invulnerability. Rhino and Nova are ridiculous. There is little purpose to play anything else. 

 

I find it very telling that the "community" developed Nova and it is blatantly overpowered. The "community" cannot be trusted to act in its own best interest. 

[Kiaru]

 

AMD is incredibly hard to control and learn how to use effectively

No it's not. This doesn't have anything to do with the thread, though. Has she remained this powerful for 4 major updates? I saw someone say she was nerfed twice, can someone please point out the nerfs? Thank you

Edited May 9, 2014 by Kiaru

[Stonehenge17]

Nova's squishy-ness balances out her damage.   If everyone plays a roll, then Nova's roll is to do high damage in a given radius. 

 

Nova does not need to be nerf'd right now.   Until we get better AI and enemies with a personality/complexity...we need Nova...because she is one of the few frames that'll get us to that point.........she knocks out the chumps until we get the higher level....and that doesn't take long...lvl 40-60 is enough...specially if you're playing on Pluto......

 

Let them introduces other factions/enemies and other tweaks to the game before we nuke her....all I'm saying is.....the same people who complain are going be the same people to @#$@ when he starts swining those nerf hammers

 

Is she overpowerful?  Yes that's the point...that's why she hasn't been touched.....or she has Tennomatic Immunity

 

Edit:   Also she received a change due to DMG 2.0   Which was technically a nerf.   Her radius was nerfed.  And her chaining ability was nerfed.   Also the damage type was change to something more proper.

 

 

No it's not. This doesn't have anything to do with the thread, though. Has she remained this powerful for 4 major updates? I saw someone say she was nerfed twice, can someone please point out the nerfs? Thank you

See above. Damage type, radius, chain ability.

[DirkDeadeye]

Ah she's fine buff the other frames.

You keep nerfing the best frames and eventually everyone becomes puny.

Buff Excalibur, rework ash, make ember relevant again, give trinity life leeching attacks vs blessing and link. (Although lologris trinity is fun)

[Stonehenge17]

Ah she's fine buff the other frames.

You keep nerfing the best frames and eventually everyone becomes puny.

Buff Excalibur, rework ash, make ember relevant again, give trinity life leeching attacks vs blessing and link. (Although lologris trinity is fun)

ogris trinity is just stupid and irritating. Although I admire the original persons ingenuity. Much like perma-blessing trinity should not exist but alas it does.

[Maou]

If you just want to stand around the whole time, farming exp and maybe shooting an outlier every few minutes or so than yeah, she's fantastic. Of course if you intended to actually play the game, and use your own weapons and abilities to kill things, then you're out of luck because it only takes one or two bullets to reduce everything to vapor and flashing numbers up until level 35 or so. And even then her damage buff + slow effect + long range + long duration still make her a fairly strong CC/support frame, maybe not the best but just enough to outshine most.

Yes like what you said, it's only really viable up until level 35 or so right? 

 

On later levels, mprime would often only work as an softener.

 

On early levels, it should be expected that she should be able to deal high amount of damage because well, shes a "nuke" frame.

Its the role that de gave to her, she should most definetly outshine all frame in terms of cc damage because well again its her role.

 

Most people complain how op Nova is because she can outdamage their frames, not knowing that certain frames fit certain roles.

[Stonehenge17]

Naw, MORE threads so that it actually gets into their heads more often. 

 

Rhino

Nova

Trinity

 

Eat a fat nerf bat and make it hit hard.

All hail the holy Trinity.   Tank, DD, Healer.       (Add the Nyx for CC)

[MechNexus]

Alright, time to shoot down the arguments against nerfing nova:

 

"Dont like her dont play her"

1. Dismissive fallacy, try again nerde

2. Can't do anything about other people playing her. And don't tell me to play solo, because that's also a fallacy.

 

"She's squishy"

Granted, but kinda moot when you don't take any because you killed everyone in a nanosecond.

 

"it's PvE"

[almost incomprehensible ranting telling you to get out]

 

"buff everyone else"

Between nerfing one or two frames who are out of line and spending time and money on buffing everyone else (which doesn't just mean changing a few numbers), i'd rather do the former.

[Kalenath]

Yep, lets get rid of the ONE thing Nova does well so we can all complain she sux...

[Vargras]

Welcome to the Warframe forums, where I am thankful that most everyone is not in charge of balance because they would be awful at it.

[Paradoxbomb]

Its the role that de gave to her, she should most definetly outshine all frame in terms of cc damage because well again its her role.

 

Most people complain how op Nova is because she can outdamage their frames, not knowing that certain frames fit certain roles.

 

And I'm (mostly) okay with her being able to deal high amounts of damage. It's just the fact that she can effectively fill the role of high-damage Nuking and + damage Support and CC Utility much more effectively than most frames oriented to just one or two of those roles can, and with less tradeoffs as well.

 

EDIT: Rhino comes close with Stomp, but at least he has to press 3 as well if you want a team damage buff.

Edited May 9, 2014 by Paradoxbomb

[MechNexus]

Also, another point I want to raise:

 

Nova may be fun for the user, but it's just plain annoying for everyone else.

I can't tell you how many times I walked into a room then found myself with basically nothing to shoot because of a Nova.

Might as well just watch netflix while the nova does everything.

[Tr1ples1xer]

I'm obviously not going to play her, she isn't fun, she's too powerful and makes the game far too easy and sucks all the challenge out of it which in turn makes the game boring.

 

I'm just curios why she's been in this state for 4 major content updates. It's just baffling to me.

Im sorry but this makes absolutely no sense to me and I don't think I have ever read something so nonsensical...

 

Mommie mommie I'm making too much damage in my videogame...

 

Why doo you play games at all my friend ?

 

No sense at all I tell ya..

Edited May 9, 2014 by Tr1ples1xer

[RareMemeDealer]

Im sorry but this makes absolutely no sense to me and I don't think I have ever read something so nonsensical...

 

Mommie mommie I'm making too much damage in my videogame...

 

Why doo you play games at all my friend ?

 

No sense at all at all I tell ya..

I do agree that Nova deserves a nerf, which DE has already said they're going to do anyways, so yeah. Anyways, there's no need to make threads about Nova every 60 seconds.

[MechNexus]

Im sorry but this makes absolutely no sense to me and I don't think I have ever read something so nonsensical...

 

Mommie mommie I'm making too much damage in my videogame...

 

Why doo you play games at all my friend ?

 

No sense at all at all I tell ya..

I'm pretty sure wanting to play an FPS instead of a point and click adventure game(Use MPRIME on MAN then USE GUN on MAN) is a reasonable thing to ask.

[RareMemeDealer]

I'm pretty sure wanting to play an FPS instead of a point and click adventure game(Use MPRIME on MAN then USE GUN on MAN) is a reasonable thing to ask.

Pretty much this. Nova sucks the fun iut of everything. Sure, it's convenient to run missions in jnder 10 nanoseconds, but it's just not fun. And don't give me the 'don't use her', I can't control the choices of OTHER PLAYERS.

[Maou]

And I'm (mostly) okay with her being able to deal high amounts of damage. It's just the fact that she can effectively fill the role of high-damage Nuking and + damage Support and CC Utility much more effectively than most frames oriented to just one or two of those roles can, and with less tradeoffs as well.

 

EDIT: Rhino comes close with Stomp, but at least he has to press 3 as well if you want a team damage buff.

Well its not like Novas mprime does instant damage, I mean you do need to kill the enemy first to make the target explode, As for the other cc type 4th ability does.

 

p.s Lotus is watching.

[(PSN)Pengu_Imperialus]

You missed out the point where alerts can push to level 65 during the first iteration of Damage 2.0.

And it was not a survival mission or defence.

 

So if it can hit level 65, that is within NORMAL content parameters.

Nightmare mission could go even higher up with all the crippling goodies like no shields + no energy.

 

So we should balance content at level 60.

The rest are a non issue.

You miss understand. You don't balance around 60. You balance in such a way that a maxed out frame has difficulty at 60. If that's the top. It should be very dangerous and require at least moderate to good skill level of play to beat. That is what your going for, or more correctly what I would aim for.

[Tr1ples1xer]

Pretty much this. Nova sucks the fun iut of everything. Sure, it's convenient to run missions in jnder 10 nanoseconds, but it's just not fun. And don't give me the 'don't use her', I can't control the choices of OTHER PLAYERS.

So once again its because you want more kills than the others right ? jealous of all the kills nova makes so shes boring right ? You want to have all the kills is that it ? This is a game where you PROGRESS and become stronger yes thats STRONGER,, why do you even play this if you think everything is op, why do you equip serration because thats op, why have a max redirection because thats op right ?

 

D'ont use her or change servers, there are good novas out there that don't spam mprime all game long so shes just fine, don't nerf everything because YOU don't like her. I don't complain evertime someone kills everything in game because we are on the same team FFS, You always want more power !!! not the other way around.

[RareMemeDealer]

So once again its because you want more kills than the others right ? jealous of all the kills nova makes so shes boring right ? You want to have all the kills is that it ? This is a game where you PROGRESS and become stronger yes thats STRONGER,, why do you even play this if you think everything is op, why do you equip serration because thats op, why have a max redirection because thats op right ?

 

D'ont use her or change servers, there are good novas out there that don't spam mprime all game long so shes just fine, don't nerf everything because YOU don't like her. I don't complain evertime someone kills everything in game because we are on the same team FFS, You always want more power !!! not the other way around.

No, it has nothing to do with kills. I want to actually play the damn game instead of watching one person nuke the entire map in two seconds and extracting. As for MODS, those require effort to make and equip, plus they enable you to be better reasonbly.

[Dark5eiD]

 

While this may be a bit tongue-in-cheek, I will say this:

 

When I run planet nodes, I rarely bring her unless it's defense or survival. I'd prefer my squad do other things besides hover around me and wait for me to bleed out. In fact, I think you can make the case that Grineer balls and Eviscerators are OP to Nova. The absurdly precise laser hose of a Fusion MOA 2ft from your face is OP to Nova. Heavy Gunners in 40 minute T3 Survival? OP to Nova. She's actually a liability to the squad every time she stands still for any length of time.

 

In the 3 months I've been playing this, I've found that Nova is a team player (as you all know). By that, I mean, she needs a team (or at least a partner). This is a squad game and she's the epitome of that. I lean on others to survive as Nova in late rounds. Maybe I suck at this game and no one else needs assistance as Nova late in survivals/defenses. But I think that people exaggerate their talents online. Maybe.

 

The issue isn't with her damage output. And I think it's important to frame this correctly before we start down the slippery slope that, really, no one should be allowed to do any damage that isn't considered earned or deserved by the gaming elite. Instead, there are two issues here that cannot be solved by turning Nova into a half brown chested jelly bean:

 

1. All the little sh*ts that love to be attention @#&*(s and need to have the most kills and love to see their magical energy color firebomb the screen. Total carnage without regard to your squad is intended for soloing. Or showing off. Nova gets a bad rep for this.

 

2. The thought process and mental conditioning of people who request a Nova in recruiting channel, then decide Nova is not needed after all once the mission begins. Why? Because Nova steals everyone's kills and it's no fun because every Warframe should be identical. Or something. It was hard to hear his moaning over the 11k/shot he was doing with the Ogris. Irony anyone?

 

tl;dr - it's not about you when you're running with a group. Nova players that spam MP/AMD do not accurately represent the value of Nova to a squad, nor the value of a squad to Nova. Redirect your frustration towards these kinds of players because they tarnish the experience you're looking for. And if that's not it, then redirect frustration towards yourself because you're the person whining about Nova stealing kills while you're dropping 11k worth of knowledge on the Cryopod every second.

 

well said +1