Has Nova Seriously Been This Strong For 4 Major Updates?

[Tr1ples1xer]

No, it has nothing to do with kills. I want to actually play the damn game instead of watching one person nuke the entire map in two seconds and extracting. As for MODS, those require effort to make and equip, plus they enable you to be better reasonbly.

WOW in my 1000 hours ingame, I think maybe 2 or 3 games Ive had a nova that was spamming mprime, other than that, not once I cried to mommie.

 

Don't make it likes shes ruining everygame you ever play, you still have the choice to play with others on other servers or friends that don't use her because once again YOU don't like her.

 

You can already fix your problem by yourself, don't try to change the game for everyone else.

[Maou]

So once again its because you want more kills than the others right ? jealous of all the kills nova makes so shes boring right ? You want to have all the kills is that it ? This is a game where you PROGRESS and become stronger yes thats STRONGER,, why do you even play this if you think everything is op, why do you equip serration because thats op, why have a max redirection because thats op right ?

 

D'ont use her or change servers, there are good novas out there that don't spam mprime all game long so shes just fine, don't nerf everything because YOU don't like her. I don't complain evertime someone kills everything in game because we are on the same team FFS, You always want more power !!! not the other way around.

Deep down inside, people just really wants the kills, their just too stubborn or too far off to admit it. Why bash something thats waay to useful.

 

Its like secretly hating on your bestfriend because he/she outshines you on things that you do.

[Stonehenge17]

Alright, time to shoot down the arguments against nerfing nova:

 

"Dont like her dont play her"

1. Dismissive fallacy, try again nerde

2. Can't do anything about other people playing her. And don't tell me to play solo, because that's also a fallacy.

 

"She's squishy"

Granted, but kinda moot when you don't take any because you killed everyone in a nanosecond.

 

"it's PvE"

[almost incomprehensible ranting telling you to get out]

 

"buff everyone else"

Between nerfing one or two frames who are out of line and spending time and money on buffing everyone else (which doesn't just mean changing a few numbers), i'd rather do the former.

It isn't moot. Only stuff up to a certain lvl is turned to vapor. Also, noone has said anything about it being PvE content. Nova is a NUKER frame. It is supposed to kill before getting killed. If you don't then you get killed. That is the entire point of the frame. Your argument is somewhat stupid.

[bear38122]

you must not be playing long enough

play higher levels then come back to whine

[Tr1ples1xer]

Deep down inside, people just really wants the kills, their just too stubborn or too far off to admit it. Why bash something thats waay to useful.

 

Its like secretly hating on your bestfriend because he/she outshines you on things that you do.

Exactly I realllly reallly sick and tired of people crying for nerfs all the time.

 

Its not fun because I can kill everything on screen in 2 secs .. wut ?? thats awesome !!! only they want to be the one doing it so nerf this nerf that.

 

After 1000 hours I need to feel powerfull, Warframe is all about feeling powerfull, don't turn this game into a cover shooter where you die in 1 shot.

 

There is no such thing as OP in a PVE game, get this through your thick skull !

 

We are fighting grineer corpus and infested , we aren't fighting eachother for kills, every kill made by a fellow tenno is a good kill !!

 

I think DE should remove the kill summary at the end of the round maybe kids will stop trying to ''win'' by having the most kills.

 

Remember kids: WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM, EMBRACE DAMAGE BY OTHERS.

[Tarille]

I'm still confused about all the people saying that Nova kills everything instantly and they don't have to do anything at all.

 

Because, Molecular Prime doesn't kill everything instantly - Only when it triggers (Even then, outside Defence, some Survival Tilesets and Mobile Defence - Things don't stand in nicely grouped up clusters ready to trigger multiple enemies/deal damage in mid level content - At least not when moving through a level at a reasonable pace and definitely not to the map clearing extent people seem to suggest)

 

Even then, at higher level stuff (Level 30+ - More noticable in 50+ though) Molecular Prime won't even kill everything off even when clumped up.

 

Not to mention there's the possibility to kill things off before Prime gets used (Especially when not with a MP spamming Nova)

 

Heck, it's actually possible to out do the kills and damage of a 4 spamming Nova even at lower levels (I consistently did so when playing with non-forma'd weapons on Saturn) - Even more so when playing the more traditional maps so a higher number of enemies are too far away to trigger each other with their death explosion making it so you get the 200% damage bonus and full kill count when going through.

[MechNexus]

Exactly I realllly reallly sick and tired of people crying for nerfs all the time.

 

Its not fun because I can kill everything on screen in 2 secs .. wut ?? thats awesome !!! only they want to be the one doing it so nerf this nerf that.

 

After 1000 hours I need to feel powerfull, Warframe is all about feeling powerfull, don't turn this game into a cover shooter where you die in 1 shot.

 

There is no such thing as OP in a PVE game, get this through your thick skull !

 

We are fighting grineer corpus and infested , we aren't fighting eachother for kills, every kill made by a fellow tenno is a good kill !!

 

I think DE should remove the kill summary at the end of the round maybe kids will stop trying to ''win'' by having the most kills.

 

Remember kids: WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM, EMBRACE DAMAGE BY OTHERS.

 

There IS such thing as OP in PvE game.

Nova can win a mission and get most the kills just by spamming her ult, while her poor teammates fight over the survivors (provided they don't get caught in another mprime).

Now, three things wrong with this:

1. With that kind of power, why would you use anything else? This is the main basis for balance in PvE.

2. She won with minimal effort. Another basis for balance in PvE. If it turns everything into a cheesefest, nerf it.

3. Her teammates had nothing to do. Nova may be fun for the user, but because she can kill everything so quickly, not only does it cheese through everything as stated, but it also leaves her teammates with nothing to do.

Nova is OP. We're not nerfing her because we want the kills instead, we're nerfing her because we want to actually have a challenging mission instead of having a munchkin who wants to feel powerful blast through it all in one button press.

[shut]

WOW in my 1000 hours ingame, I think maybe 2 or 3 games Ive had a nova that was spamming mprime, other than that, not once I cried to mommie.

Don't make it likes shes ruining everygame you ever play, you still have the choice to play with others on other servers or friends that don't use her because once again YOU don't like her.

You can already fix your problem by yourself, don't try to change the game for everyone else.

Exactly I realllly reallly sick and tired of people crying for nerfs all the time.

Its not fun because I can kill everything on screen in 2 secs .. wut ?? thats awesome !!! only they want to be the one doing it so nerf this nerf that.

After 1000 hours I need to feel powerfull, Warframe is all about feeling powerfull, don't turn this game into a cover shooter where you die in 1 shot.

There is no such thing as OP in a PVE game, get this through your thick skull !

We are fighting grineer corpus and infested , we aren't fighting eachother for kills, every kill made by a fellow tenno is a good kill !!

I think DE should remove the kill summary at the end of the round maybe kids will stop trying to ''win'' by having the most kills.

Remember kids: WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM, EMBRACE DAMAGE BY OTHERS.

You can use this exact same argument to defend a pistol that instakills all enemies in the map with every click.

Edited May 9, 2014 by SortaRandom

[Paradoxbomb]

Well its not like Novas mprime does instant damage, I mean you do need to kill the enemy first to make the target explode, As for the other cc type 4th ability does.

 

p.s Lotus is watching.

 

True, but with 200% damage and having their movement and attack speed halved, clearing the whole room basically takes a single shot or melee attack, and with little risk of getting killed. So at most the only tradeoff with M Prime in exchange for all it's benefits is that you have to tack on an extra second to press E or LMB.

 

And yes, Lotus is watching (or was anyway).

Edited May 9, 2014 by Paradoxbomb

[Him-Self]

Exactly I realllly reallly sick and tired of people crying for nerfs all the time.

 

Its not fun because I can kill everything on screen in 2 secs .. wut ?? thats awesome !!! only they want to be the one doing it so nerf this nerf that.

 

After 1000 hours I need to feel powerfull, Warframe is all about feeling powerfull, don't turn this game into a cover shooter where you die in 1 shot.

 

There is no such thing as OP in a PVE game, get this through your thick skull !

 

We are fighting grineer corpus and infested , we aren't fighting eachother for kills, every kill made by a fellow tenno is a good kill !!

 

I think DE should remove the kill summary at the end of the round maybe kids will stop trying to ''win'' by having the most kills.

 

Remember kids: WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM, EMBRACE DAMAGE BY OTHERS.

 

I was just about to say this thank you.

 

Guys seriously this is a PvE game you are not competing in PvP or something. Warframe is designed to be that way the fun is to mindlessly take out wave after wave of Pixelmonsters while having no skill whatsoever and collecting loot to mod your stuff and build new stuff.

 

If you are new this is not apparent right away but if you have one or more frame at high rank including the equipment it becomes obvious especially if you play lower levels to get crafting mats. 

 

I can understand the cry for balancing in a PvP shooter where I want to compete against real player but being stupidly OP against mindless computer mobs is what this game here is all about (sorry I am repeating myself)

 

Each and every single frame is OP in this game I can run through all content with them (I can tell I have nearly all, except Zephyr). However its not only the frames its also the weapons most of them are also stupidly OP. Even after 40 waves I can still easily 1shot all mobs in survival with bows and snipers and don't forget Ogris and Penta both of them are the most brainless OP weapons to use.

 

I can solo defense with Ogris up to level 40 without even looking at the screen (same with penta)

 

So again. This game is not designed to be balanced, there is no skill involved in playing this game AT ALL, except the bare minimum of common sense to play together and think about the mods you use to maximize your damage for the enemy you will face in your next mission.

 

Sorry but this is the truth, face it. Is the game still fun?? Hell yeah because that is what I want to do here in Warframe - playing an obscene OP space ninja (frame and equipment) while facing gazillions of enemies

(in a way Warframe is not much different from Alienshooter, only that it is even more fun and has better graphics)

 

TL:DR> warframes and weapons are designed to be OP, this is not a game to boast your l33t skill with, that is how this game is intended and that is what is fun about this game -> mindless shooting of mobs

[Flamed]

Slow which reduces movement and attack speed, enemies take 2x Damage, AOE explosion.

 

M Prime is balanced guys.

[Vargras]

Slow which reduces movement and attack speed, enemies take 2x Damage, AOE explosion.

 

M Prime is balanced guys.

And Radial Javelin cries in the corner (as well as several other ults).

[Tr1ples1xer]

I was just about to say this thank you.

 

Guys seriously this is a PvE game you are not competing in PvP or something. Warframe is designed to be that way the fun is to mindlessly take out wave after wave of Pixelmonsters while having no skill whatsoever and collecting loot to mod your stuff and build new stuff.

 

If you are new this is not apparent right away but if you have one or more frame at high rank including the equipment it becomes obvious especially if you play lower levels to get crafting mats. 

 

I can understand the cry for balancing in a PvP shooter where I want to compete against real player but being stupidly OP against mindless computer mobs is what this game here is all about (sorry I am repeating myself)

 

Each and every single frame is OP in this game I can run through all content with them (I can tell I have nearly all, except Zephyr). However its not only the frames its also the weapons most of them are also stupidly OP. Even after 40 waves I can still easily 1shot all mobs in survival with bows and snipers and don't forget Ogris and Penta both of them are the most brainless OP weapons to use.

 

I can solo defense with Ogris up to level 40 without even looking at the screen (same with penta)

 

So again. This game is not designed to be balanced, there is no skill involved in playing this game AT ALL, except the bare minimum of common sense to play together and think about the mods you use to maximize your damage for the enemy you will face in your next mission.

 

Sorry but this is the truth, face it. Is the game still fun?? Hell yeah because that is what I want to do here in Warframe - playing an obscene OP space ninja (frame and equipment) while facing gazillions of enemies

(in a way Warframe is not much different from Alienshooter, only that it is even more fun and has better graphics)

 

TL:DR> warframes and weapons are designed to be OP, this is not a game to boast your l33t skill with, that is how this game is intended and that is what is fun about this game -> mindless shooting of mobs

Yes I agree with this, only I wouldn't use the term ''OP'' more like FUN !

 

WF is a hordes game, waves after waves of endless enemies, we need to be strong as hell.

 

Goal of the game is to complete mission

 

Guess what ? if nova spams mprime you have a BETTER chance of completing mission, that is all I need to say.

[Dark5eiD]

I was just about to say this thank you.

 

Guys seriously this is a PvE game you are not competing in PvP or something. Warframe is designed to be that way the fun is to mindlessly take out wave after wave of Pixelmonsters while having no skill whatsoever and collecting loot to mod your stuff and build new stuff.

 

If you are new this is not apparent right away but if you have one or more frame at high rank including the equipment it becomes obvious especially if you play lower levels to get crafting mats. 

 

I can understand the cry for balancing in a PvP shooter where I want to compete against real player but being stupidly OP against mindless computer mobs is what this game here is all about (sorry I am repeating myself)

 

Each and every single frame is OP in this game I can run through all content with them (I can tell I have nearly all, except Zephyr). However its not only the frames its also the weapons most of them are also stupidly OP. Even after 40 waves I can still easily 1shot all mobs in survival with bows and snipers and don't forget Ogris and Penta both of them are the most brainless OP weapons to use.

 

I can solo defense with Ogris up to level 40 without even looking at the screen (same with penta)

 

So again. This game is not designed to be balanced, there is no skill involved in playing this game AT ALL, except the bare minimum of common sense to play together and think about the mods you use to maximize your damage for the enemy you will face in your next mission.

 

Sorry but this is the truth, face it. Is the game still fun?? Hell yeah because that is what I want to do here in Warframe - playing an obscene OP space ninja (frame and equipment) while facing gazillions of enemies

(in a way Warframe is not much different from Alienshooter, only that it is even more fun and has better graphics)

 

TL:DR> warframes and weapons are designed to be OP, this is not a game to boast your l33t skill with, that is how this game is intended and that is what is fun about this game -> mindless shooting of mobs

I JUST MIGHT RUN OUT OF PLUS 1'S. CAN I GET MORE BY GIVING SOME OF THESE PEOPLE NEG 1'S ?

[Cpl_Facehugger]

No, it has nothing to do with kills. I want to actually play the damn game instead of watching one person nuke the entire map in two seconds and extracting. As for MODS, those require effort to make and equip, plus they enable you to be better reasonbly.

 

Am I the only one who remembers what it was like before Nova was even a gleam in the council's eye?

 

I mean, dudes nuking the entire map in two seconds wasn't something that came into being with Nova. I remember playing a pluto defense mission vs infested way back when, and I was playing with two saryns who loved to do nothing but run into the middle of a clump of infested, pop miasma, and then gun down the one or two enemies who survived.

[RareMemeDealer]

I was just about to say this thank you.

 

Guys seriously this is a PvE game you are not competing in PvP or something. Warframe is designed to be that way the fun is to mindlessly take out wave after wave of Pixelmonsters while having no skill whatsoever and collecting loot to mod your stuff and build new stuff.

 

If you are new this is not apparent right away but if you have one or more frame at high rank including the equipment it becomes obvious especially if you play lower levels to get crafting mats. 

 

I can understand the cry for balancing in a PvP shooter where I want to compete against real player but being stupidly OP against mindless computer mobs is what this game here is all about (sorry I am repeating myself)

 

Each and every single frame is OP in this game I can run through all content with them (I can tell I have nearly all, except Zephyr). However its not only the frames its also the weapons most of them are also stupidly OP. Even after 40 waves I can still easily 1shot all mobs in survival with bows and snipers and don't forget Ogris and Penta both of them are the most brainless OP weapons to use.

 

I can solo defense with Ogris up to level 40 without even looking at the screen (same with penta)

 

So again. This game is not designed to be balanced, there is no skill involved in playing this game AT ALL, except the bare minimum of common sense to play together and think about the mods you use to maximize your damage for the enemy you will face in your next mission.

 

Sorry but this is the truth, face it. Is the game still fun?? Hell yeah because that is what I want to do here in Warframe - playing an obscene OP space ninja (frame and equipment) while facing gazillions of enemies

(in a way Warframe is not much different from Alienshooter, only that it is even more fun and has better graphics)

 

TL:DR> warframes and weapons are designed to be OP, this is not a game to boast your l33t skill with, that is how this game is intended and that is what is fun about this game -> mindless shooting of mobs

You're not DE, you can't say what the game is or isn't designed for. And as far as I can tell, DE WANTS balance.

[kubbi]

I just want to have fun. I never consider a frame OP. Its the players that use the frames in a certain way that can ruin it for others. I'm a regular Nova player and use mp only as a panick button. I prever using ad because its more fun. However its still buggy to this day. It doesn't always slow down when aiming and it doesn't even appear during lag. I always equip wormhole because it reminds me of portal and I love it. In short I consider myself a Nova player that users won't hate if they normally don't have problems with certain frames as Nova.

Why people talk about balance in warframe I dunno. Its not a competetive mlg game where you accomplish anything by getting lots of kills. Its a co-op game folks.

Thats my 2 cents

[Tr1ples1xer]

I just want to have fun. I never consider a frame OP. Its the players that use the frames in a certain way that can ruin it for others. I'm a regular Nova player and use mp only as a panick button. I prever using ad because its more fun. However its still buggy to this day. It doesn't always slow down when aiming and it doesn't even appear during lag. I always equip wormhole because it reminds me of portal and I love it. In short I consider myself a Nova player that users won't hate if they normally don't have problems with certain frames as Nova.

Why people talk about balance in warframe I dunno. Its not a competetive mlg game where you accomplish anything by getting lots of kills. Its a co-op game folks.

Thats my 2 cents

Very good 2 cents, I wish everone thought like you, it seems kids want more kills than their own teammates for some reason...

 

This is a perfect example why there is no OP in a PVE game.

Edited May 9, 2014 by Tr1ples1xer

[Maou]

 

There IS such thing as OP in PvE game.

Nova can win a mission and get most the kills just by spamming her ult, while her poor teammates fight over the survivors (provided they don't get caught in another mprime).

Now, three things wrong with this:

1. With that kind of power, why would you use anything else? This is the main basis for balance in PvE.

2. She won with minimal effort. Another basis for balance in PvE. If it turns everything into a cheesefest, nerf it.

3. Her teammates had nothing to do. Nova may be fun for the user, but because she can kill everything so quickly, not only does it cheese through everything as stated, but it also leaves her teammates with nothing to do.

Nova is OP. We're not nerfing her because we want the kills instead, we're nerfing her because we want to actually have a challenging mission instead of having a munchkin who wants to feel powerful blast through it all in one button press.

1) Well considering that other frames are sturdier, faster, stealthier etc. what stops players not playing the other frames?

your statement is invalid.

2) And your saying that most if not all frame aren't able to do this? aside from support frames, most cc dealing frames deal just as much as Nova does, sure mprime/AMD does way more damage than the others but well she was made to do that.

3) What do you mean her teammates become useless? If your talking about short runs like exter,cap,mdef its to be expected, like I said in 2* Almost if not all frame can do this. They  can also *blast through levels* given that enemies are weak(which they're)

 

It feels like you havent even played all the frames yet(if you haven't, oops not my fault)

which is funny for you to be pointing at people and calling them $&*&*#(%&.

Edited May 9, 2014 by Fammia

[shut]

You're not DE, you can't say what the game is or isn't designed for. And as far as I can tell, DE WANTS balance.

I remember when I started the game, and I'm certain that others remember it too. The game was challenging. You needed to know how to aim, you needed to know how and when to use cover-- you needed skill to win, especially solo. And enemies would only get stronger.

That is the impression that the game had on me, and that is what I believe the devs were intending for the rest of the game to be right from the start-- skill-based combat rather than mindless destruction.

Warframe currently has none of that. It's become nothing but a mindless stat-based blow-'em-up game, following the exact path of numerous (read: crappy) Korean MMOs. The only thing missing from the KR MMO formula is the pay2win.

This is not healthy for the game, and if the devs don't get their act together and attempt to bring balance and turn this game back into a skill-based one, then Warframe will one day become as much of a laughingstock as Maplestory.

[Flamed]

Some PvE games can be competitive. For example, Vindictus is pretty competitive. At end game, if you don't have the best equips, you would get kicked off raids. This even happens in Warframe, some people ask you to switch your Excalibur into a Rhino in a T3 Defense or Surivival.

[(PSN)Count_Dante]

I just want to have fun. I never consider a frame OP. Its the players that use the frames in a certain way that can ruin it for others. I'm a regular Nova player and use mp only as a panick button. I prever using ad because its more fun. However its still buggy to this day. It doesn't always slow down when aiming and it doesn't even appear during lag. I always equip wormhole because it reminds me of portal and I love it. In short I consider myself a Nova player that users won't hate if they normally don't have problems with certain frames as Nova.

Why people talk about balance in warframe I dunno. Its not a competetive mlg game where you accomplish anything by getting lots of kills. Its a co-op game folks.

Thats my 2 cents

 

Because the same people that cry to keep their OP crap are the same people that are constantly crying about not enough content.

 

Perhaps this game was not designed with marathon Survival and Defense. And since it is possible, ALL Frames should be able to do ALL content. 

 

Once again I ask, why even offer any other Frame at all if they all cant participate. 

 

And why would the answer be to make all the rest of the frames more powerful when it is only a handful of Frames that need to be nerfed? 

[shut]

it seems kids want more kills than their own teammates for some reason...

You keep using this argument over and over again, never once realizing that if that's what we wanted at all, we'd be using Nova.

[Tr1ples1xer]

I remember when I started the game, and I'm certain that others remember it too. The game was challenging. You needed to know how to aim, you needed to know how and when to use cover-- you needed skill to win, especially solo. And enemies would only get stronger.

That is the impression that the game had on me, and that is what I believe the devs were intending for the rest of the game to be right from the start-- skill-based combat rather than mindless destruction.

Warframe currently has none of that. It's become nothing but a mindless stat-based blow-'em-up game, following the exact path of numerous (read: crappy) Korean MMOs. The only thing missing from the KR MMO formula is the pay2win.

This is not healthy for the game, and if the devs don't get their act together and attempt to bring balance and turn this game back into a skill-based one, then Warframe will one day become as much of a laughingstock as Maplestory.

Au contraire I think the game became more popular because of that.

 

You can parkour like crazy in this game launch through the air across the entire map, I use parkour all the time, no way in hell I will stand behind cover, this imo is not what this game is about at all.

 

You think a cover shooter requirer skill ? stand behind cover ? ohhh super tactical, just pop up when enemy is reloading ? soooo lame

 

i want big guns and big explosions tyvm.

[shut]

Au contraire I think the game became more popular because of that.

You can parkour like crazy in this game launch through the air across the entire map, I use parkour all the time, no way in hell I will stand behind cover, this imo is not what this game is about at all.

You think a cover shooter requirer skill ? stand behind cover ? ohhh super tactical, just pop up when enemy is reloading ? soooo lame

i want big guns and big explosions tyvm.

http://www.maplestory.nexon.net

I think you'd like it there.

EDIT: To clarify, this isn't intended to be a rage-induced ad hominem comeback or anything silly like that.

Look at Maplestory's dismal state, and understand why it is currently considered a hellhole among F2P MMOs. It's stat-based, and it appeals mainly to players who just want to mindlessly "go fast" and blow up maps with a click of a button. "Intense boss fights" consist of nothing more than clicking buttons for extended periods of time, with funding deciding the winner of the fight.

Do you think Warframe would do well to go down that path? Because it's well on its way already.

Edited May 9, 2014 by SortaRandom