Has Nova Seriously Been This Strong For 4 Major Updates?

[Tr1ples1xer]

You keep using this argument over and over again, never once realizing that if that's what we wanted at all, we'd be using Nova.

Of course no one will admit it but I know thats the only logical reason. Jealous because she has more kill than you.

[Tr1ples1xer]

http://www.maplestory.nexon.net

I think you'd like it there.

Are you serious ? it looks like a game for 10 year ols girls... WTH HAHA

[Flamed]

Personally, I think all warframes should be powered up to Rhino and Nova levels. Oberon, Banshee, Ash, and Saryn specifically. I don't have a reason to bring them into a T3 survival unless I have a Trinity on the team. Even if I do bring them, I would be mainly using my weapons instead of powers because their powers are pretty weak.

[shut]

Of course no one will admit it but I know thats the only logical reason. Jealous because she has more kill than you.

You missed my point entirely.

Lets say that I'm a stat-hungry numbermonger who stakes my entire identity on the end-of-mission result for total damage.

Why would I not use Nova for that? She's easy to obtain, it would be a perfectly fair contest between myself and other Nova players. I'm power-hungry, so I can stack stats with ease. Obtaining the necessary items and matching other players in damage isn't a problem for me.

So why do I think that Nova should be nerfed?

^{The answer: because I'm not a stat-hungry numbermonger who stakes my entire identity on the end-of-mission result for total damage. Perhaps I and other players want to see Nova nerfed for a different reason entirely.}

Edited May 9, 2014 by SortaRandom

[MechNexus]

Of course no one will admit it but I know thats the only logical reason. Jealous because she has more kill than you.

I could turn this back on you by saying that you want all the kills too, and don't want nova nerfed because it's the only way you can get them.

Of course, no-one will admit it.

[Tr1ples1xer]

I could turn this back on you by saying that you want all the kills too, and don't want nova nerfed because it's the only way you can get them.

Of course, no-one will admit it.

I barely ever play Nova, I want to complete mission that is what I want, I never want to fail a mission. I don't mind having a Nova in a game with me because that means she will help with mprime and if they spam mprime all game well I don't cry because next game I won't play with them that is all and I don't cry on the forums for nerf after that, just change server and move on...

[VoidWraith]

I actually don't mind her concept of burst explosions. The thing is the way it, like you said, one shots, things is disappointing. MP is still OP a little. They lowered it's proc radius to other explosions and so forth but still. When I first heard of her skills and the descriptions:

 

Molecular Prime - Primes all enemies in a radius with antimatter. Upon death the antimatter and matter collide causing chained radial damage.

(Notes: You see how it said "chained"? I literally thought there would be a chained explosions. Meaning, once one enemy explodes, it triggers another enemy to explode and another one. At the moment, they all explode simultaneously if they're within proc range of eachother. The explosion is also very lack-lustered.... I don't even care if they don't die from this skill. All I want to see is, since you shot them with the bullets, the anti-matter and matter should do as it said, collide into eachother due to damage, and it should collide violently causing an explosion. It should cause an explosion and cause knockback/down when it happens, Even if the explosions don't kill them. The particle disintegration effect is nice afterwards if they DO die from it [they should be blown back, while slowly disintegrating like how they die from being killed by melee channeling])

 

Worm-hole - Create a wormhole entrance at Nova's current location and a wormhole exit at the target location, allowing herself and squad mates to travel insidiously.

(Note: This skill is ok, it's a utility/tactical skill. Sort of like your escape/mobility/transportation skill.)

 

Anti-matter Drop - Releases a contained, highly unstable particle of antimatter that will detonate upon collision.

(Note: In all honesty, I don't really see much problem with this. By itself, it's basically a compact version of Absorb, Nyx's ult, that you control and fling around. The multiplier can be changed, or not. The amount of damage it absorbs before it hits something, sparking an explosion multiplied by whatever multiplier it has at the moment, will give it's final damage. Like I said, it's a miniaturized Absorb ball that you fling around and control.)

 

Null Star - Creates anti-matter particles that orbits Nova and seek nearby targets to collide with.

(Note: I don't have a problem with this either. It's a pretty fun skill to have around. Not too powerful, not necessarily useless, but it's so-so skill in terms of damage, but it's fun to see enemies get ripped apart when it does kill things, if not it staggers them a little bit when it hits them.)

 

Basically, I think her skills are fine. The ONLY exception is her ult. It is weird. It used to be OP. It still kinda is, but the explosion radius/procs for it to trigger other marked/primed targets are a bit weird and unreliable. It's only merit is the damage multiplier ti puts on receiving incoming damage to enemies, which is good, but the death animation and the trigger/procs and the explosions, are unsatisfying.

[(PSN)Count_Dante]

I could turn this back on you by saying that you want all the kills too, and don't want nova nerfed because it's the only way you can get them.

Of course, no-one will admit it.

 

QFT.

 

The only reason people cry about nerfs is they are more concerned with an e-peen than the health of the game itself. 

 

Just change the name to TriNovaRhinos. Ditch all the rest of the frames and you pick one of the 3. Wont that be fun!?

[AscendantWyvern]

Her health and shields are a good givaway of how strong she is.

Glass cannon

This excuse makes me lol.

 

Vauban has less physical stats than Nova, so by these standards, he must hit like a proverbial truck. 

 

but nope, he's just really good area denial.

[sixmille]

You're completely right.

Also these people saying "don't play her then" are really forward thinking.

If there's something wrong just ignore it. If there's a gamebreaking bug that makes you lose all platinum when you complete the mission they'll just say "WELL DONT DO THE MISSION THEN".

 

That's not how to respond to an issue, jesus christ.

 

Nova is broken and they've spoken about "rebalancing" her as several occasions but never gone through with it. I personally think Nova should not be a warframe that you can play until they fix it, lock it or something because it's just such a mess right now.

 

Yep and if you ever hear about AIDS just put your fingers in your ears and sing "lalala", it will obviously keep you safe from any issue. :)

 

On a more serious note, nova is indeed an issue because it's taking the fun away from the game for everyone else. Nothing to kill = no fun. Enough said. Also, Nova being squishy is a moot argument. The same people using this excuse are the same ones defending perma immortality from Trinity.

Edited May 9, 2014 by sixmille

[Tr1ples1xer]

Yep and if you ever hear about AIDS just put your fingers in your ears and sing "lalala", it will obviously keep you safe from any issue. :)

 

On a more serious note, nova is indeed an issue because it's taking the fun away from the game for everyone else. Nothing to kill = no fun. Enough said. Also, Nova being squishy is a moot argument. The same people using this excuse are the same ones defending perma immortality from Trinity.

 

In 1000 hours I have  encountered maybe 3 novas that we're spamming mprime, don't hate the frame hate the player.

[sixmille]

A river of tears is flowing through this post it is amazing !! Careful not to drown my friend.

 

In 1000 hours I have  encountered maybe 3 novas that we're spamming mprime, don't hate the frame hate the player.

 

I'm not hating anyone, I'm merely saying that this frame is an issue. Like it or not, it's going to get a balance pass soon anyway according to the devs. On the other hands, seeing you're using ad hominem arguments means you've nothing meaningful to say. Thanks for that nothing then.

Edited May 9, 2014 by sixmille

[Tr1ples1xer]

This excuse makes me lol.

 

Vauban has less physical stats than Nova, so by these standards, he must hit like a proverbial truck. 

 

but nope, he's just really good area denial.

One vortex can swallow every enemy on the map, and thats without bastille so YES he hits like a truck !

[VoidWraith]

A river of tears is flowing through this post it is amazing !! Careful not to drown my friend.

 

In 1000 hours I have  encountered maybe 3 novas that we're spamming mprime, don't hate the frame hate the player.

 

Seriously. This is sadly true. I don't mind teaming with Novas, as long as they keep the MP in check. Using it JUST to clear rooms is not a good excuse. Unless your team is seriously dying, and you can't compensate/carry the team, THEN is time to break out the MP cannon. It's like fighting a battle, but instead of sending in your typical soldier/unit/platoon, you just fire off you nuke RIGHT off the bat....

Edited May 9, 2014 by VoidWraith

[shut]

A river of tears is flowing through this post it is amazing !! Careful not to drown my friend.

 

In 1000 hours I have  encountered maybe 3 novas that we're spamming mprime, don't hate the frame hate the player.

Like the rest of your posts, this exact argument could be applied to a pistol that blows up everything in the map with every click.

Obviously there's going to be a ton of players who'd rather not abuse its power, but that says nothing about the state of the pistol itself. We could only have one out of our entire several-million Tenno using that pistol, but it doesn't mean that the pistol is any less overpowered.

[shut]

One vortex can swallow every enemy on the map, and thats without bastille so YES he hits like a truck !

...If by "the map" you mean "everything within several meters of where you threw the ball", then yes.

Maybe you should hold off the ODD for a bit.

[Brahmastra]

Got her to 30 and never used her again.

[kubbi]

Because the same people that cry to keep their OP crap are the same people that are constantly crying about not enough content.

 

Perhaps this game was not designed with marathon Survival and Defense. And since it is possible, ALL Frames should be able to do ALL content. 

 

Once again I ask, why even offer any other Frame at all if they all cant participate. 

 

And why would the answer be to make all the rest of the frames more powerful when it is only a handful of Frames that need to be nerfed? 

 

Well the game needs more content thats for sure.

 

However in the end people will always use frames that are stronger or better at certain aspects. Nova is the best damage frame and damage is a thing you always need in Warframe. The problem is that other damage frames can't accomplish what Nova can. Their abilities aren't as viable to high level as hers. Thats why they resort to her.

 

Look at Ember for example. She's suppose to be a purely offensive frame but she sucks. Her only abiltity thats somewhat viable to high level is accelerant but its only one and not that good. I'd certainly pick Ember over Nova if she were as good because I love Embers design and her fireconcept.

[VoidWraith]

Well the game needs more content thats for sure.

 

However in the end people will always use frames that are stronger or better at certain aspects. Nova is the best damage frame and damage is a thing you always need in Warframe. The problem is that other damage frames can't accomplish what Nova can. Their abilities aren't as viable to high level as hers. Thats why they resort to her.

 

Look at Ember for example. She's suppose to be a purely offensive frame but she sucks. Her only abiltity thats somewhat viable to high level is accelerant but its only one and not that good. I'd certainly pick Ember over Nova if she were as good because I love Embers design and her fireconcept.

 

You know the sad thing is? They gave Warframes "ult" skills... They should just make every skill equally viable. When you generally think of an "ult" skill it's very draining to use it once. In this game? Cast times and spend 100 energy. That's it. People stack in Redirection for shields and other type of damage mitigation mods.

 

You'd think when someone casted an "ult" skill, their energies, shields would be drained and also have that 1-2 second tired effect from casting it (well at least the ones that cause you to remain static/rooted in place until animations of the skill end, like Volt).

 

They put skills as mod/cards separate from the Warframe. You'd think when you crafted/built your suit, it would come naturally with those skills. If anything at least put those skills in it's own section from the warframe mod slots....

Edited May 9, 2014 by VoidWraith

[Stonehenge17]

Yep and if you ever hear about AIDS just put your fingers in your ears and sing "lalala", it will obviously keep you safe from any issue. :)

 

On a more serious note, nova is indeed an issue because it's taking the fun away from the game for everyone else. Nothing to kill = no fun. Enough said. Also, Nova being squishy is a moot argument. The same people using this excuse are the same ones defending perma immortality from Trinity.

First of all, no frame should ever be immortal. Now the squishy argument is not moot. Yes, with a maxed intensify mod against < lvl 25 enemies it will generally 1 shot them if they are close enough to one another, but against enemies above that then no it won't. However all it takes is to get knocked down by a heavy gunner lvl 28-30 and your team mates will be on there way to revive you. That is a real negative in higher lvl play. Lower lvl play will be OP but seriously my rhino stomp 1 shots everything up to lvl 25 too but has the armor and abilities to defend itself. I am not going to start on the link blessing ogris BS that is some Trinity players. The only viable move you can make to a nova is to give the MP a duration. So you can't actively spam it much like Chaos for a Nyx. You can't take the offense out of a purely offensive frame without making it sub-par. AMD is fine the way it is. Low radius and slow projectile.

[YoshiiKazuya]

Stop playing low level missions. Any frame is op as hell vs low lvl npcs zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[HansJurgen]

I'm not hating anyone, I'm merely saying that this frame is an issue. Like it or not, it's going to get a balance pass soon anyway according to the devs. On the other hands, seeing you're using ad hominem arguments means you've nothing meaningful to say. Thanks for that nothing then.

 

You gave very situational examples. By your reasoning, Vauban's vortex, Ember's world on fire, Mag's shield polarize, Frost's Avalanche, Hidroid's Tentacles, Oberon's Reckoning, Zephyr's Tornadoes also need to be nerfed because there is nothing left for you to kill on some low level map no one cares about. These are offensive AOE spells, they are supposed to kill everything but the strongest targets.

 

What frame are you using anyway that killing stuff is a problem? Rhino with a braton?

 

Play solo, if having stuff to kill is your thing. This is the first time I see anyone having an issue with not having enough stuff to kill...

 

When I play Nekros, Nyx or Loki, I want others to kill for me, since I am busy with stuff that does not involve killing. I am in fact very upset when I meet some noob offensive spellcaster not doing his job, unable to lead the charge and getting knocked down a lot for no good reason.

Edited May 9, 2014 by HansJurgen

[HansJurgen]

...If by "the map" you mean "everything within several meters of where you threw the ball", then yes.

Maybe you should hold off the ODD for a bit.

 

 

Maybe mod your Vauban better? :)

[AscendantWyvern]

One vortex can swallow every enemy on the map, and thats without bastille so YES he hits like a truck !

Not sure what maps you play on, but Vortex doesnt grab anybody past a 5 meter radius 

 

And modding for range DOESN'T affect Vortex, so "modding Vauban better" isn't a solution ;)

Edited May 9, 2014 by AscendantWyvern

[everSWIFT]

Ranked her and dumped her, end of story.  Hate it when one joins my squad, get your kills from something skill-worthy.

 

This is EXACTLY how i feel.