Snipers 2.0 Update 13

[VoidenVenari]

All Snipers is Good ? Well i need more experience to use this snipers

 

Sniperton & SnipetronVandal = Rare Sniper

 

Vulkar = Grineer Sniper

 

Vectis = Tenno Professional Sniper

 

Lanka = Sgt Nef Anyo Sniper (Charged Corpus Sniper)

 

I hope someday you see INFESTED SNIPER RIFLE :D

Edited May 14, 2014 by UltimateBR

[SpilockT_T]

Snipetron & Svandal = Legendary weapon :3

[DeadlyFred]

Infested sniper... Torrid? Looks way to slim to be any kind of grenade launcher now. I got excited when I saw the new model and was like.. OMG what is this in my inventory... oh... its just the Torrid.

[BiancaRoughfin]

I think if should an Infested Sniper be made, it would fire a dart like the Acrid and Djinn`s weapon at very high speed, do both Puncture and Toxic damage and have the highest status chance of the snipers so far.

[Eirshy]

We really should make the current ones not abject worse than the bows before we introduce new ones.... just saying...

[Anarook]

We really should make the current ones not abject worse than the bows before we introduce new ones.... just saying...

 

Except the bows all have charge time, projectile flight time, and an arc... sounds almost like.. A TRADEOFF!!!

Bows are more skill based than the sniper rifles.

 

Trust me for what it is the snipers are fine...

[Eirshy]

Except the bows all have charge time, projectile flight time, and an arc... sounds almost like.. A TRADEOFF!!!

Bows are more skill based than the sniper rifles.

 

Trust me for what it is the snipers are fine...

 

It almost is like you've never heard of the Lanka. You know, that mastery rank 7 sniper rifle that behaves like a bow except for the fact that bows have an insanely faster charge speed, guaranteed crits, and higher crit damage. Only thing the lanka has on the bows is projectile velocity and no arc. Both of which, if you used almost exclusively projectile weapons like myself, really don't matter. Like, at all. You learn to compensate incredibly quickly- my poor bow acc stats are because I'm too used to the Lanka, by the time I r30'd my second bow I was hitting somewhere around 87% quite consistantly, even taking shots at Osprey with confidence.

 

 

The Vectis is fine? Maybe, it has higher crit stats and can actually use Charged Chamber- as well as being OP with Primed Chamber if you can get your hands on one.

 

The Snidal still feels fine- mostly because it honestly acts like a carbine with its quick reload and refire.

 

Vulkar is and has always been &#!, so nobody really cares about it.

 

 

But the Lanka... The Lanka went from being effectively the Finger of God in Damage 1.0, capable of dealing over 1m damage in one shot when buffed right, to being this unreliable slot machine that gets out-damaged in all cases by the bows in addition to doing anywhere between 1x and 8.4x (assuming the standard crit build).

 

And the only people who still use the thing are those of us who sunk 5 forma and a potato into it and would have happily sunk another forma into her if they needed to back in the day- in fact, many did so they could do Heavy Cal instead of Hammer Shot- and now only keep her around because she might get buffed back into being the Queen of Snipers (or at least a princess) and you don't sell a weapon you sunk that many forma into.

 

 

You remember that event not too long ago?

 

I had to specifically mod my Lanka for Charged Chamber and toss her into a Rainbow build just to guarantee an ohko on headshot against the wardens. This is while doing primarily Corrosive damage (which gets +75% vs Ferrite armor, which is around 45.5% of their health). And even then, I had only a 92% chance to oneshot (needed to double or crit). Oh and before you ask, yes, my Serration is maxed.

 

Meanwhile I could have simply used a Dread or Paris Prime, without even maxing them (assuming potato), and had easy modo oneshots all day.

 

 

 

So you can keep going "hurr durr bows take more skill". When bows are outperforming all current sniper rifles except one with a limited edition mod (of which, like, less than 200 people can have at any time) by a *ludicrous* amount, you're just plain wrong when you state that snipers are fine.

Edited May 15, 2014 by TheBlueJelly

[UncommonUnicorn]

Infested sniper?

[Eirshy]

So I ran some math to kinda show off why the Vectis is the only "viable" sniper right now.

 

The base idea here is to give everything the exact same basic mods:

Point Strike (maxed (+150% crit chance))

Vital Sense (maxed (+120% crit damage))

Hammer Shot (maxed +60% crit damage)

 

The Bows and the Lanka are assumed to run Speed Trigger maxed, as nobody in their right mind wouldn't run Speed Trigger on the Lanka (bows less guaranteed, but wow does it make them spammy).

 

The Bows cap crit chance at 100% with an r4 Point (Paris Prime) or an r3 Point (Dread).

The Snidal would have one free mod slot, due to it not really scaling well to Critical Delay or needing Speed Trigger.

 

The Vectis has multiple builds; PS and VS are always equipped, the other two are a mixtured of Charged Chamber (Chrg, 1.4x damage) or Primed Chamber (Prim, 2x damage), Critical Delay (Del, +48% crit chance), and Hammer Shot (Ham, +60% crit damage).

 

Not shown: Mixing Primed and Charged

Prim > Chrg > Ham > Del

So PrimChrgHam would be better than PrimDelHam (~1618 normalized)

 

Also, the min damage listing for the bows is incorrect; the 100% crit chance means that it will always do maxed damage.

 

 

Not only is the Lanka strictly worse than the Vectis, the Vectis is strictly worse than the bows without Primed Chamber.

In addition, while the normalized damages aren't that bad (for the Vectis vs the Bows), look at the minimum damage fields. The Bow's listed min on that chart is wrong- with 100% crit damage it deals a fixed amount every shot.

 

The reason the sniper rifles are all such S#&$ right now is their minimum multiplier. Their maxes are fine, and could even potentially be toned down some to preserve this false notion of the bows needing a "high" degree of skill.

 

But like, that ChrgDelHam Vectis is doing between 1.4x and 7.84x per bullet. Meanwhile, the bows always deal 5.6x per arrow.

 

 

It's quite annoying hitting for 1.8k and over 40k.

Edited May 15, 2014 by TheBlueJelly

[HAYABU5A]

Please DE - let us use Tainted Magazine on our sniper rifles 

 

also snipertron vandal should be allowed to use the shock camo skin just as gorgon wraith and wraith vipers can use their respective alternate skins

 

there are some pertinent issues in this thread, basically sniper rifles need some love

[Eirshy]

But why would you want to hide the fact that it's a Snidal? That S#&$'s like super rare nowadays, it's almost an in-game pickup- line "I have a Snidal." -> "YOU HAVE ONE?!?!?" -> "Yeah, wanna see it?" -> "Hell yeah!" -> *leave initial meeting place together*.

Edited May 21, 2014 by TheBlueJelly