Update 13.3 - The Beginning Of The Great Nerf?

[apcha]

Needless to say, trinity is RIP. And Sound Quake and Absorb are also nerfed to nearly useless -- they drain your energy like Ancient Disrupter now. New Blade Storm may look good, or is it actually trying to remove the time that the player can use to restore shield and energy?

Anyway, only one thing is sure: more nerfs are coming SOON! Those old good frames deserve to be nerfed, otherwise there is no place for new frames.

[Omega224]

nyx trinity and banshees changes are buffs not nerfs

[izzatuw]

How do you restore energy with bladestorm?

[Gr3vi3R]

Edited May 15, 2014 by Gr3vi3R

[Katakuna]

Can't bring myself to take anyone who says "Trinity is dead" or other such rubbish seriously.

[(PSN)billy-d-squid]

Needless to say, trinity is RIP. And Sound Quake and Absorb are also nerfed to nearly useless -- they drain your energy like Ancient Disrupter now. New Blade Storm may look good, or is it actually trying to remove the time that the player can use to restore shield and energy?

Anyway, only one thing is sure: more nerfs are coming SOON! Those old good frames deserve to be nerfed, otherwise there is no place for new frames.

 

[izzatuw]

Lol

[Ov3rd0se]

Trinity isnt useless or dead. She still outranks Oberon. People should stop crying just because she isnt a invincibility frame anymore.

[Kharn-The-Betrayer]

Nyx and banshee change is interesting, but the energy drain is NOT affected by power efficiency mods, this must be fixed.

[killacam8806]

well sound quake and absord are not that bad really you can set like 10sec worth for around 112 energy,not really tested or anything but i played around with it for a little bit.

[xGryphus]

The fact, that she's not one trick pony with god mode makes Trinity dead? Can't handle a bit of resource management on Banshee and Nyx? Then it's time to hone your gaming skills.

[Namacyst]

Needless to say, trinity is RIP. And Sound Quake and Absorb are also nerfed to nearly useless -- they drain your energy like Ancient Disrupter now. New Blade Storm may look good, or is it actually trying to remove the time that the player can use to restore shield and energy?

Anyway, only one thing is sure: more nerfs are coming SOON! Those old good frames deserve to be nerfed, otherwise there is no place for new frames.

 

Trinity is still very much alive but requires some skill now to do the same as before the change. Only scrubs say that she's dead.. for the experienced players it is even a buff.

[SquirmyBurrito]

Trinity is pretty good, Banshee is better, and Nyx is much more flexible. Volt has become incredibly powerful, almost old frost levels with just how huge his shields are. 

[Satsaru]

I just need to confirm this.  Did you actually read what the changes were?

[(PSN)billy-d-squid]

Nyx and banshee change is interesting, but the energy drain is NOT affected by power efficiency mods, this must be fixed.

 

 

This is very disappointing, and stupid if we're honest. All people wanted was a way to get out of Absorb on demand, that's it. 

 

Knowing DE's track record, it's probably an oversight. ie: they made the change and didn't think things through properly.

 

(ala Ember speed being 1 still and her powers doing low damage with no CC/ utility after the Overheat removal, Avalanche Freeze nerf etc.)

Edited May 15, 2014 by (PS4)billy-d-squid

[douglasdamm]

Trinity isnt useless or dead. She still outranks Oberon. People should stop crying just because she isnt a invincibility frame anymore.

anything outranks oberon, even a shield osprey

[SquirmyBurrito]

This is very disappointing, and stupid if we're honest. All people wanted was a way to get out of Absorb on demand, that's it. 

 

Knowing DE's track record, it's probably an oversight. ie: they made the change and didn't think things through properly.

 

(ala Ember speed being 1 still and her powers doing low damage with no CC/ utility after the Overheat removal, Avalanche Freeze nerf etc.)

 

When did Ember get a damage nerf? And when did Accelerant get its slight-CC removed?

[(PSN)billy-d-squid]

When did Ember get a damage nerf? And when did Accelerant get its slight-CC removed?

 

She didn't but her powers being DoT are too low damage without Accelerant spam at the moment and she has no in built CC to hold enemies or at least stun. It didn't matter when there was overheat because she could face tank everything, the same with her speed. Now, it's an issue. 

 

Accelerant still has it's stun, but that's not it's purpose. Stun only lasts 3 seconds, for 50 energy? That's a lot, but it's 250+ damage buff is complete overkill at lvl 25-30, but without it WoF won't actually be able to keep that infested Ancient form running through the blasts (which rarely proc) and $#*(@ slapping you as Ember needs to get within 15m for her powers to work, didn't matter before the overheat change, but now, it's an issue. 

 

Hence you end up spamming Accelerant far sooner than we should, for the stun, not the damage buff primarily, which isn't actually needed until lvl 35+

 

What we got was powers which worked with overheat being left as they are, but the ability to use them for DoT was stripped out. That's what I mean by DE not thinking things through, Accelerant's buff either kills everything immediately, or it down's Ember there's no DoT, so to speak, very little proc chance to set things on fire etc. either you kill the mob or it kills you. You can't inflict fire procs with WoF regularly or stun effectively. 

 

They change one thing without thinking how it's going to affect everything else. Nyx's Absorb energy upkeep being unaffected by energy efficiency is a perfect example of that. 

 

I love both the frames, Ember and Nyx, so they don't need an overhaul or big change, but it's silly things like this which cause problems.

Edited May 15, 2014 by (PS4)billy-d-squid

[Venarge]

Needless to say, trinity is RIP.

Same bullshi* was said about Rhino / Frost. Was also said about the game when the new mod system has been released and several other times. So this is basically an invalid comment.

[SquirmyBurrito]

She didn't but her powers being DoT are too low damage without Accelerant spam at the moment and she has no in built CC to hold enemies or at least stun. It didn't matter when there was overheat because she could face tank everything, the same with her speed. Now, it's an issue. 

 

Accelerant still has it's stun, but that's not it's purpose. Stun only lasts 3 seconds, for 50 energy? That's a lot, but it's 250+ damage buff is complete overkill at lvl 25-30, but without it WoF won't actually be able to keep that infested Ancient form running through the blasts (which rarely proc) and $#*(@ slapping you as Ember needs to get within 15m for her powers to work, didn't matter before the overheat change, but now, it's an issue. 

 

Hence you end up spamming Accelerant far sooner than we should, for the stun, not the damage buff primarily, which isn't actually needed until lvl 35+

 

What we got was powers which worked with overheat being left as they are, but the ability to use them for DoT was stripped out. That's what I mean by DE not thinking things through. They change one thing without thinking how it's going to affect everything else. Nyx's Absorb energy upkeep being unaffected by energy efficiency is a perfect example of that. 

 

I love both the frames, Ember and Nyx, so they don't need an overhaul or big change, but it's sill things like this which cause problems.

 

I maxed efficiency so that I could spam accelerant more. Fireball actually deals pretty good damage. I don't build my Ember for WoF anymore. I mod for Accelerant and Fireball. The proc chance on fireball is good enough that it usually stuns groups of enemies for a bit.

[CrimsonPorpoise]

Trinity's a buff to all non-corrupted players, she's a lot more effective for my playstyle now.

Nyx and Banshee? Their "4" feel like a nerf to me. A impressive energy sink, but at least they are more moblie.

Now Ash? Oh yeah~~~~

[RoboDoge]

People cry to much because their butt is in so much pain. Use some ointment for that or see a doctor.

 

 

Frames arent dead nor nerfed as i see them, nor i am defending DE on this issue. They can be used as before, and some even better as before. You just need some creativity and that is what most of players of Warframe are lacking.

 

 

Why being creative when you can be simpleminded and use frame for only one power?

[Trogvar]

I was now on the defensive. And I realized that the skill Blessing useless. What have you done?

Edited May 15, 2014 by Trogvar

[SquirmyBurrito]

Trinity's a buff to all non-corrupted players, she's a lot more effective for my playstyle now.

Nyx and Banshee? Their "4" feel like a nerf to me. A impressive energy sink, but at least they are more moblie.

Now Ash? Oh yeah~~~~

 

How is Ash after the changes? I forgot all about him and didn't check him out.

 

I was now on the defensive. And I realized that the skill Blessing useless. What have you done?

 

It isn't useless, you just can't use it the way you used to.

[Kharn-The-Betrayer]

I was now on the defensive. And I realized that the skill Blessing useless. What have you done?

 

It's not dead, try a build with Quick thinking, you'll see :)