Nikana & Dragon Nikana

[(PSN)Violet__Prince]

The nikana is counterpart to the galatin, or is it better?

[(PSN)Violet__Prince]

The dragon nikana is deffinately better

[-CM-Tiffany]

The nikana is counterpart to the galatin, or is it better?

 

Beg your pardon?

[Jelan]

The nikana is counterpart to the galatin, or is it better?

If you can't copter with it it sucks.

[JerZeyCJ]

If you can't copter with it it sucks.

Not sure if serious

[-CM-Tiffany]

If you can't copter with it it sucks.

 

I can't copter with you. You have been cheated.

[quietcanary]

Galatine is not great anymore. However the dragon nikana is the best melee weapon in the game and is more powerful than any melee weapon that has existed so far by almost 2x-3x id say.

[Ignaesia]

Dakra Prime

[fatpig84]

Galatine is not great anymore. However the dragon nikana is the best melee weapon in the game and is more powerful than any melee weapon that has existed so far by almost 2x-3x id say.

 

Galatine with Cleaving Whirlwind begs to differ.

Dakra Prime with Crimson Dervish begs to differ too.

 

 

Nikana and D Nikana "true" output aren't even close to those.

[quietcanary]

Has anyone here ever done the math?
 

[RoboDoge]

Galatine with Cleaving Whirlwind begs to differ.

Dakra Prime with Crimson Dervish begs to differ too.

 

 

Nikana and D Nikana "true" output aren't even close to those.

Dakra Prime is unholy weapon. Same as Ichors.

 

 

Damage that these two can output is insane.

[quietcanary]

okay ichors are close but dakra and galatine are not close to the dragon nikana. Period. D-nikana is still a little better I think than ichors since the ichors only get .2 more attack speed, 10% chance, and 1x more crit damage verse the d-nikana getting 50 more base damage and also being able to use the base stat mod jagged edge

[Ignaesia]

Has anyone here ever done the math?

 

 

It's not as relevant as you think it is. You can't compare raw figures against melee weapons like you can with guns or warframe abilities.

 

Melee is far, FAR more situational than anything else. Alot of people will do what you did and say "Oh well, the D.Nikana does the most damage, therefore its the best melee weapon!" when that isn't true.

It doesn't work like that. The raw high damage of D.Nikana isn't always applicable due to animations, tilesets, distance etc. None of those things affect guns when comparing them (or at least not to the high degree it does with melee). Dakra Prime with Crimson Dervish has incredibly high damage and although it's less than D.Nikana it has faster swings, arguably wider arcs and it's combos close distances faster. This can all augment it's DPS and make it a more effective "better" melee weapon than D.Nikana in many circumstances.

 

I could argue that Jat Kittag with Reach has the widest arcs ingame, therefore its the best melee weapon since you'd only want to bother with melee on weak targets/low lvl missions. Or that Amphis has the fastest coptering, therefore its the best melee weapon since you shouldn't waste time with melee anyway.

[fatpig84]

okay ichors are close but dakra and galatine are not close to the dragon nikana. Period. D-nikana is still a little better I think than ichors since the ichors only get .2 more attack speed, 10% chance, and 1x more crit damage verse the d-nikana getting 50 more base damage and also being able to use the base stat mod jagged edge

 

You forgot Berzerker which is core on Dual Ichors.

I don't care how much per hit your D Nikana does when D ichors can spam 7 blows in under 2 seconds.

 

Cleaving Whirlwind and Crimson Dervish both confer an extra 300% damage boost to their weapons doing the combo.

This is where the huge disparity of power comes in.

Edited May 17, 2014 by fatpig84

[quietcanary]

the math is the only thing that's relevant besides amount of targets you can hit. Also dakra prime does not swing faster (especially since the d-niki is more likely to have a crit chance mod on it and thus reach max beserker stacks faster) , the ark thing is argue able but more so in favor of the d-niki and if you need gap closing then you haven't learned how to slide attack well enough yet. Circumstances only matter when you cant overcome them with skill or the weapon is just that niche 

[quietcanary]

the berker mod goes on the dragon nikana as well and the difference in crit chance only means that it reachs max stacks a mili second behind the ichors. so yeah that's not even a valid point.

 

Edit: I get why you mention the stance thing though it really doesn't make the galatine on par. dakra is better than the d-niki with that bonus though

Edited May 17, 2014 by quietcanary

[Mastikator2]

You forgot Berzerker which is core on Dual Ichors.

I don't care how much per hit your D Nikana does when D ichors can spam 7 blows in under 2 seconds.

 

Cleaving Whirlwind and Crimson Dervish both confer an extra 300% damage boost to their weapons doing the combo.

This is where the huge disparity of power comes in.

This is true, the faster you hit the faster you get melee damage multiplier. Fast hitting weapons have damage multiplier advantage, slow hitting have channel advantage.

[(PSN)Violet__Prince]

50 say d nikana 50 say galatin some say dakra prime, these are the most powerful weapons I guess, but, out of the 3 who is the most powerful?

[(PSN)Violet__Prince]

Maxed out, the d nikana does eradicate stalker in 1 slice,

[Draciusen]

50 say d nikana 50 say galatin some say dakra prime, these are the most powerful weapons I guess, but, out of the 3 who is the most powerful?

Galatine with Cleaving Whirlwind is acceptable, but not enough to compare to the Dragon Nikana or Dakra Prime with Crimson Dervish. Dual Ichors would make more sense as a third option because of the sheer attack speed you can reach with it.

Not that it matters, cause you'll shred through light enemies with any melee weapon, and have to switch to a strong gun for really strong heavy units you don't want to get close to.

[KingTaro]

Galatine is not great anymore. However the dragon nikana is the best melee weapon in the game and is more powerful than any melee weapon that has existed so far by almost 2x-3x id say.

 

Dragon Nikana is one of the top weapons, personally, I'd say even the 2nd best, but Orthos Prime is still the best weapon in the game.