Changes For The Better?

[Kakarot-MUI]

Can we please have a poll on what changes are made anymore. DE has said it's controlled by the community. More often than not anymore, it's let's cater to the elitists and ignore the rest of the ACTUAL player base. Not once have I seen a poll to changes on weapons or changes to warframe abilities. Can we please get something like that setup? Until then, I don't believe this community's voice is getting heard properly. I honestly think you change variables in this game just because you (DE) don't like them, more so than it being community based at the very least. It didn't used to be this way.

 

I would like to point out that I've been happy to see progress with a story (or lore if you will). Although, I must ask, does it have to only appear through events? Can we have it surface just through regular game play on each mission rather than it just being a mission type for us to do? Also, can the missions that don't take you directly to the next planet or a boss fight be like a side mission? Can the side mission be based off of past events that we've had that new comers didn't get a chance to play (i.e. finding out that Darvo is Frohd Bek's son and making Frohd Bek a boss)?

 

So I don't sound like I'm just some angry belligerent ranting person on a frenzy to attack DE's character just because I'm personally not happy with the changes as of late (which it's true I'm not entirely), I more than welcome input (with respective POSITIVE insight) on any changes you guys would like to see or if you agree with me on anything I have brought up so far. Would any of you like to see more story (lore), changes to map layouts, weapons (i.e. real balancing based off our input, because who knows better than the people playing the game), abilities (to change them or keep them as is), more mission types (which I must admit, I think they have quite a bit as it is), or anything else that comes to mind.

[War_Admiral_Adama]

The community as a whole is of horrible means of feedback though. There are too many players too far apart experience wise for that to work. A PTR for veterans who understand every mechanic fully should determine changes. Not group feedback from noobs and hardened players who've been here since the beginning..

Edited May 18, 2014 by Lynches

[Eciria]

The community is of horrible means of feedback though. As sad as that is to admit. A PTR for veterans should determine changes. Not group feedback.

This guy has the right idea ^^^

 

Edited May 18, 2014 by Eciria

[Zoracraft]

They seem to put everything through the design council(which is probably why they take so many elitist ideas). Personally, I don't think it's fair that the rest of the player base who were unable or unwilling to shell out lots of cash for representation should be left out. Keeping concepts there is fine, whole game-changing systems is NOT.

[Farren]

DE is the one making Warframe, not the negative minority of the playerbase that is the forums. We influence what happens by making suggestions (preferably reasonable ones, not "ERMAGHERED FIX EVERYTHING YOU SUCK"), and reporting bugs - like we are supposed to do. The community has had an impact on this game, however the game is still Digital Extremes'.

 

The reason why lore isn't more fleshed out is because making lore requires work, and more work than can be initially perceived. DE's prioritizing different things and adding lore slowly - which is fine.

 

I don't suggest things because DE is undoubtedly better at game-making than I am, and knows what kind of work it takes to implement things. I report bugs, and give my opinions when asked to in terms of the game itself.

[VKhaun]

No. Screw votes and popular opinions when it comes to balance changes.

Look at the boards and put 2+2 together.

 

There are tons of grind whine threads, and tons of nerf whine threads. If we let people follow around a nekros pwning everything with MPrime, or let people sit in a snowglobe trying not to fall asleep, or let people play survival with perma invincibility, or let people sit around the Vortex campfire toasting mashmallows THIS WILL ALWAYS BE A GRIND GAME because PEOPLE WILL GRIND.

 

Nerf the skills, guns and mods. Let people cry and ragequit and flame all over the boards.

 

Then the grind is fixed and you have actual gameplay to get rewards instead of boredom while you're just waiting for them to drop and watching XP bars go up.

Edited May 18, 2014 by VKhaun

[War_Admiral_Adama]

They seem to put everything through the design council(which is probably why they take so many elitist ideas). Personally, I don't think it's fair that the rest of the player base who were unable or unwilling to shell out lots of cash for representation should be left out. Keeping concepts there is fine, whole game-changing systems is NOT.

The forums as a whole was a bad idea. Bug reporting is all they should have had. They should lock news from post enablement and keep the neigh sayers quiet. It is their game. If they want feedback we should keep it simple. Good or bad. Not our opinionated ideas. The game has become so diluted because of people's ideas and then the butt hurt they get after not getting feedback.

I'm so tired of reading warframe concepts now. I used to love them. The forums has simply degenerated into nonsense and fighting.

[Nicodemus666]

They seem to put everything through the design council(which is probably why they take so many elitist ideas). Personally, I don't think it's fair that the rest of the player base who were unable or unwilling to shell out lots of cash for representation should be left out. Keeping concepts there is fine, whole game-changing systems is NOT.

 

Actually we are called more on topics regarding addictions like weapons, sentinels, frames and enemies, i have yet to see a poll on teh council regarding game-changing system. So i don't know what are you talking about.

[VKhaun]

Yeah... the DC is more about content and system design and spoilers/teasers, not so much balance.

[ArchBlood]

Yeah... the DC is more about content and system design and spoilers/teasers, not so much balance.

Which is often not updated for a good amount of time. Haha.

[Pizzarugi]

The community as a whole is of horrible means of feedback though. There are too many players too far apart experience wise for that to work. A PTR for veterans who understand every mechanic fully should determine changes. Not group feedback from noobs and hardened players who've been here since the beginning..

And somehow spending $100+ for founders suddenly turns you from inexperienced to veteran worthy of calling the shots on changes?

I understand noobs and newbs shouldn't have a say right away, but people who actually spent long enough time in this game should be given a little power.

Edited May 18, 2014 by Pizzarugi

[VKhaun]

The community as a whole is of horrible means of feedback though. There are too many players too far apart experience wise for that to work. A PTR for veterans who understand every mechanic fully should determine changes. Not group feedback from noobs and hardened players who've been here since the beginning..

 

 

And somehow spending $100+ for prime access suddenly turns you from inexperienced to veteran worthy of calling the shots on changes?

I understand noobs and newbs shouldn't have a say right away, but people who actually spent long enough time in this game should be given a little power.

 

Your reply to his doesn't make any sense. He didn't imply prime access changed anything.

[Pizzarugi]

Your reply to his doesn't make any sense. He didn't imply prime access changed anything.

Probably misunderstood.

OP's topic sounds like he's complaining that prime access players have all the power on upcoming content whereas everyone else doesn't. Lynches' response sounded to me like he said it should remain that way.

[VKhaun]

Probably misunderstood.

OP's topic sounds like he's complaining that prime access players have all the power on upcoming content whereas everyone else doesn't. Lynches' response sounded to me like he said it should remain that way.

 

Still not following. Do you mean founders for design council access?

 

IIRC prime access does not give DC membership and it's just founders + people they hand pick every so often.

Edited May 18, 2014 by VKhaun

[Pizzarugi]

Still not following. Do you mean founders?

 

IIRC Prime Access does not give DC access and it's just founders + people they hand pick every so often.

Yes, that's what I meant. Derp. Made a fix on my original response.

I thought OP was complaining that founders got to pick what happens with the game, meaning everyone else aren't able to voice their opinion. And I thought Lynches' reply was that he believed everyone in the council are veterans, thus nothing should be changed.

Edited May 18, 2014 by Pizzarugi

[Kakarot-MUI]

They seem to put everything through the design council(which is probably why they take so many elitist ideas). Personally, I don't think it's fair that the rest of the player base who were unable or unwilling to shell out lots of cash for representation should be left out. Keeping concepts there is fine, whole game-changing systems is NOT.

Very much agreed. I put in for hunter status, but I don't feel like I'm being represented at all just because I didn't shell out the extra $50 for it. To be fair though, I don't think that should be the only reason anyone has a say in the changes. At what point though can we say a said person is "an experienced player/vet"?