For Profit!

[Tograk]

Why such title?

Because I want to talk here about how to make Dark Sectors more profiteable for players and alliances/clans owning them.

 

My ideas how to make it better for alliances/clans:

 

 

1. Change "tax" which is not so profitable to something like "Entry fee".

 

Example:

 

For playing on dark sector you have to pay EXAMPLE 100k EXAMPLE (it can be also 0) credits for a day ticket to an alliance/clan owning such sector. But the payment, resources and xp on this sector can't be taxed.

 

Ofc, alliance/clan members can play without paying entry fee.

 

Your arguments and my counterarguments:

 

"People are going to make too high entry fees"

-You dont have to play dark sectors, you always have void missions

-Deal with it

-Gather forces and get the node for your clan

 

 

2. When you have both dark sectors on planet you can tax whole planet.

 

Example

 

Eclipse is owning for now both nodes on Jupiter and with that they can not only tax dark sectors but also other missions on this planet.

 

And again my counter arguments:

-Gather forces and take one of those node

-Deal with it.

-This change is going to make people fight for dark sectors because for now they are quite dieing

 

 

3. And here goes something new: Factories!

 

 

Add something like: Manage buildings on your DS in game.

And for example such Factories can generate high amount of resources at the end of each day you hold your Dark sector.

 

 

 

How to make DS more profiteable for players

 

1. The most simply idea is: Make spawn rate of mobs much higher.

 

Higher spawnrate - better xp, people are going to make dark sectors to get xp, just like they are doing ODD for now (Which actually give you also only xp because credits are useless and propably 90% of active players got all rewards from ODD)

 

 

2. Make there higher rare resource drop rate and better rewards.

 

With better spawn rate is the simpliest and the best combination to make players actually doing dark sectors during conflicts.

For example u can also make dark sector conflicts 5% chance of dropping forma at the end.

 

 

3. And there goes something totally new: New currency

 

In almost all pvp game you have something like pvp currency which you can get by fighting on pvp missions. Dark Sectors are not exacly pvp but still doing it feels a little bit like pvp.

 

So... My propisition are: HP - Honor Points

For each mission you do for your alliance/clan during conflict you can get 1 HP.

 

And here for example you can add to game accesories like new syandans, armor, helmets which you can buy for plat (but make it expensive, minimum twice as expensive as normal ones) or for same amount of HP.

You can also add achievements and emblems for gathering eg 100, 1000, 10000 and so on HP.

 

 

 

That's all from me. I think that with those changes tons of old players are going to play warframe again.

Some of this proposals are not mine, I took ideas from other veteran players and write it down.

I'm going to send this topic to DE but I also want your opinion my dear community!

Edited May 19, 2014 by Tograk

[Megakruemel]

Entry fee? NO.

 

No one will play dark sectors with an entry fee of 100k.

"Deal with it" and "Don't play Dark sectors" are pretty weak counter arguments, since dark sectors are basically meant to be played.

 

It will just make dark sectors even less enjoyable.

Edited May 19, 2014 by Megakruemel

[Warriorrogue]

-infinite.

This is a horrible idea, apart from the honour points, which there was something similar being talked about.

You would stop a lot of people getting neurals, because no matter how many people you rile up, the silent majority will win with that 20K tax

And it would force many more players away. You're new and don't have the money to get onto jupiter? Too bad. You only have the time to do one or two runs per day? That's some planets out of the way.

[Tograk]

Entry fee? NO.

 

No one will play dark sectors with an entry fee of 100k.

"Deal with it" and "Don't play Dark sectors" are pretty weak counter arguments, since dark sectors are basically meant to be played.

 

It will just make dark sectors even less enjoyable.

 

Why not? That was only example. Because for now it's not worth to hold a Dark Sector and where is logic? Which country in real world is loosing money on holdng best gold mine I mean with highets income? And on DS you can get your money (this 100k) back in 30minutes of playing. So... where is logic now in your comment?

[Tograk]

-infinite.

This is a horrible idea, apart from the honour points, which there was something similar being talked about.

You would stop a lot of people getting neurals, because no matter how many people you rile up, the silent majority will win with that 20K tax

And it would force many more players away. You're new and don't have the money to get onto jupiter? Too bad. You only have the time to do one or two runs per day? That's some planets out of the way.

 

 

Entry fee is goin to be only on DS u can still farm NS on Alad V

[MayPeX]

Don't see why we need a change, Eclipse is doing the smart thing by adding tax and giving superior payouts during Dark Sector conflicts. The entry fee will only reduce the amount of people who will play the dark sectors.

 

If entry fee was added, everyone would jump to Pluto defense for free money. (Not to say that many do that already).

[Anatolius]

Why not? That was only example. Because for now it's not worth to hold a Dark Sector and where is logic? Which country in real world is loosing money on holdng best gold mine I mean with highets income? And on DS you can get your money (this 100k) back in 30minutes of playing. So... where is logic now in your comment?

I dont think lower ended players would have that much money to run it for a while.

Also you will have to run the mission several times if you want to break even which not everyone wants to do and you end up just farming credits

[Tograk]

Don't see why we need a change, Eclipse is doing the smart thing by adding tax and giving superior payouts during Dark Sector conflicts. The entry fee will only reduce the amount of people who will play the dark sectors.

 

If entry fee was added, everyone would jump to Pluto defense for free money. (Not to say that many do that already).

 

 

But how long do you think someone is going to hold node constantly attacked without money? Pluton defence is free for now because no big alliance attacked it with conquering it in mind.

[RoboDoge]

People still want to fix DS?

[Tograk]

I dont think lower ended players would have that much money to run it for a while.

Also you will have to run the mission several times if you want to break even which not everyone wants to do and you end up just farming credits

 

 

100k was only EXAMPLE... Guys please. It can be also 10k, 20k or even nothing.

And low players dont have to do Cere or Pluto. How long are you playing? Before it was only void open to get money and it wasnt so easy to do.

Edited May 19, 2014 by Tograk

[Tograk]

how about no?

 

Ok as I see most of current warframe community is composed of very young players who want everything for free.

[Frostosti]

100k credits lol

ive never done more than 3 dark sector missions in 1 day, and those 3 missions were not even on the same planet.

Edited May 19, 2014 by Frostosti

[MayPeX]

But how long do you think someone is going to hold node constantly attacked without money? Pluton defence is free for now because no big alliance attacked it with conquering it in mind.

 

I'm gonna say this cleanly, if you have been watching Pluto in the past 3 months you'll notice that it's been free for the whole time. Eclipse attempted to take pluto and got their arse handed to them. The Occupants offered no battle pay and won, they were just a clan against one of the biggest alliances.

 

The community want to keep pluto free, not you or any alliance can change that. Seriously go check it's history.

[Tograk]

100k credits lol

ive never done more than 3 dark sector missions in 1 day, and those 3 missions were not even on the same planet.

 Ok, I've corrected it. I hope now u see it is EXAMPLE. Please try reading before flaming.

[Tograk]

I'm gonna say this cleanly, if you have been watching Pluto in the past 3 months you'll notice that it's been free for the whole time. Eclipse attempted to take pluto and got their arse handed to them. The Occupants offered no battle pay and won, they were just a clan against one of the biggest alliances.

 

The community want to keep pluto free, not you or any alliance can change that. Seriously go check it's history.

 

 

Because Eclipse sent there rail, just to sent it. As I said. They weren't fighting seriously there.

[(PSN)STARSIDE_DESTINY]

How do you expect to gain any support when your main argument is "deal with it"? Dark Sectors are made for credit farming and to be a more stable location to find the Infested. These changes completely defeat the purpose of the Dark Sectors as a place to get quick credits. Sure, "go farm Void", right? Except keys are limited, and Pluto/Ceres Dark Sectors give twice as many credits as a T3 Void run. Also, taxing an entire planet? Are you serious? As if the new player experience wasn't bad enough, this would force new players to farm Mercury for credits. That is the most boring in-game activity I can imagine.

[MayPeX]

Because Eclipse sent there rail, just to sent it. As I said. They weren't fighting seriously there.

 

My point still stands, it's gonna stay free forever mate.

[Tograk]

DE never said that DS are made for credit farming. Actually they said they are going to nerf credit amount which is dropping there currently because it is a bug.

[Megakruemel]

Because Eclipse sent there rail, just to sent it. As I said. They weren't fighting seriously there.

Yeah. That is what i am going to say when i loose something from now on. Seems solid.

 

They offered high battlepay as always, so they were seriuos.

[Anatolius]

100k was only EXAMPLE... Guys please. It can be also 10k, 20k or even nothing.

And low players dont have to do Cere or Pluto. How long are you playing? Before it was only void open to get money and it wasnt so easy to do.

Getting money from the void was just you running raid missions over and over again. That was easy money and the keys were easy to hoard.

You don't get the same about of credits at each node aka why people only stay 5 waves on pluto.. to get the most money per unit of time.

I will agree the spawn should be higher and better rewards that scale with difficulty but I guess the extra exp in nice too. Not so much an honor system though.. you kinda will push people to run missions just to get exclusive stuff. They are already gonna try thst with proxy wars.

The DS just need to be more than infested missions but something worth your time and effort. Vauban/Torid builds don't really solve that.

[Tograk]

I'm talking now more about Conflicts in DS, not about this "so easy that my carrier is doing it for me" missions.

Generally you are talking about players which are nor owning node and I'm talking more about players who grind they asses to death to hold a node. Because for them DS are totally unfair. They should have some bonuses on DS or better "carrot" during conflict.

[Psycho1848]

I agree sound great and even 100K for a whole day is not much on Pluto.

 

-Dark Sectors are Business, and not some standart Missions like all other ones on the Solarchart-

 

The only point i disagree is Point 2 Entry Fee for the whole Planet. It wil just result in extreme hate against the owner of both nodes on a planet

 

[Tograk]

The only point i disagree is Point 2 Entry Fee for the whole Planet. It wil just result in extreme hate against the owner of both nodes on a planet

Nah It is only for DS not for whole planet.

It's more like THIS system or THAT system. Not both at once.

 

 

Entry fee only on Dark sectors OR Taxes on whole planet when you have both DS under your control

Edited May 19, 2014 by Tograk

[firstblush]

Definitely would never want to see point 2 put into effect. It's one thing if someone is charged a fee or tax for something they choose to participate in, but there is no reason players should have to contribute some of the money/resources they earn to support something they aren't even playing/involved with. And this rebuttal of "gather forces and take your own node" is ridiculous, especially since a lot of people who will be forced to pay such a tax on have neither the means nor connections to pull that off (people who prefer to play solo/people who are new to the game,etc.etc.)

[Arlayn]

100k was only EXAMPLE... Guys please. It can be also 10k, 20k or even nothing.

And low players dont have to do Cere or Pluto. How long are you playing? Before it was only void open to get money and it wasnt so easy to do.

 

Ok as I see most of current warframe community is composed of very young players who want everything for free.

wow... nope... That isn't it. I am happy with what Eclipse is doing, and those guys that own that location Akkad on Eris. Taxing it just right because its a good place to go. There is no need to fix Dark Sectors IN THAT AREA. That area is fine. Its the actual war that needs to be either brutal to own, or brutal to fight. https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/215082-either-faster-solar-rail-warfare-or-dreaded-ownership-of-solar-rails/

 

Either way your idea is too difficult. No one would enjoy it. Infact people would flat out ignore Dark Sectors, and just run voids all day. At this point in time there is literally little to no reason at all to run the Dark Sectors. I could still level up doing a hardcore T3 run, and I can still get a lot of credits playing in the void. Why would you kick, an already dead horse, and make it worse?