How Did The Infestation Start And What Is The Orokin?

[Shadowfink11]

I want to find out how they started and what is the orokin really its very interesting.

[Thirsty_Pickle]

Go to the Wiki

[PsychedelicSnake]

Question about the Infested explanation:

 

Do you want the Dark Sector + Warframe answer or just the Warframe answer?

[Tatsukko]

All we know is speculation and codex DE wont let us know much

[Shadowfink11]

Warframe answer

Edited May 21, 2014 by Shadowfink11

[PsychedelicSnake]

Warframe answer

Well, the Warframe Universe answer, as opposed to the Warframe + Dark Sector Universe answer, is that the Technocyte Virus was created before the first Tenno, and is the cause of the Infested. Much less detailed than the other answer.

[Paradoxbomb]

IIRC, the Infestation was either created or (assuming Dark Sector is canon in Warframe) rediscovered by the Orokin and used as a biological weapon to help them fight those Sentients that DE has alluded to. I assume after the Tenno wiped the Orokin out, the virus was no longer under their control and free to run rampant.

 

As for the Orokin, I don't think there really is any explanation as to how they came to be.

[PsychedelicSnake]

I assume after the Tenno wiped the Orokin out

This information comes only from the Stalker Codex Entry, right?

[Paradoxbomb]

This information comes only from the Stalker Codex Entry, right?

 

I think so, I know the Corpus, being the Orokin fanatics they are, also refer to the Tenno as Betrayers so it's heavily implied that they're responsible for the Orokin's downfall. Either way somebody wiped them out.

 

(Or the Stalker is a big ol' liar liar pants on fire).

Edited May 21, 2014 by Paradoxbomb

[PsychedelicSnake]

(Or the Stalker is a big ol' liar liar pants on fire).

That's my thinking. I believe he is what we typically call an Unreliable Narrator.

 

You know that saying that "History is written by the victors?" Well, I personally think this applies to the Tenno/Orokin./Stalker thing. The Tenno may have kicked a lot of &#!, but when they went into stasis they weren't around to say what happened. For all we know, someone could have spread their own version of history.

 

I think this sounds less cliche and more interesting. In my opinion, anyway.

[weirdee]

My theory is that the Ancients faked their loss, and then took control of the Tenno and killed the Orokin, followed by ripping their memories away and forcing the Tenno into the cryopods so that they would no longer pose a threat to them, and then launched all of the Orokin outposts into the void where they assumed they would be lost forever in the twisted space. Then the Ancients took the rest of the galaxy, stripped it of anything they deemed worthy of having, bombed most of posthuman civilization into the stone age, and left to pursue other things for glory. The remaining posthuman races managed to survive in small colonies, but since they were cut off from each other, they splintered off into two factions which have different parts of the remaining technology that was left to them, but more recently are rediscovering Orokin technology after they got to the point where it was possible for them to attempt recovering it, which is when the Tenno woke up again.

 

There's a subtheory where the Lotus is actually the Sentient avatar which is using the Tenno as a means to stop all of the other posthuman races from actually gaining enough dominance of the galaxy to ever pose a threat to the Sentients ever again by keeping them in check and pitting them against each other, which is supported by their recent "discovery" and awakening soon after the Grineer/Corpus alliance, which soon fell apart due to the presence of Orokin technology leading to greed and mistrust, and the Tenno's constant employment as a means to drive a wedge between them.

 

I expect the Sentients to show up because at a certain point they will realize that the Tenno are becoming too strong.

Edited May 21, 2014 by weirdee

[PsychedelicSnake]

My theory is that the Ancients faked their loss, and then took control of the Tenno and killed the Orokin, followed by ripping their memories away and forcing the Tenno into the cryopods so that they would no longer pose a threat to them, and then launched all of the Orokin outposts into the void where they assumed they would be lost forever in the twisted space. Then the Ancients took the rest of the galaxy, stripped it of anything they deemed worthy of having, bombed most of posthuman civilization into the stone age, and left to pursue other things for glory. The remaining posthuman races managed to survive in small colonies, but since they were cut off from each other, they splintered off into two factions which have different parts of the remaining technology that was left to them, but more recently are rediscovering Orokin technology after they got to the point where it was possible for them to attempt recovering it, which is when the Tenno woke up again.

In my opinion, this is also more interesting than the "Rebel against the masters" theory.

[Morec0]

That's my thinking. I believe he is what we typically call an Unreliable Narrator.

 

You know that saying that "History is written by the victors?" Well, I personally think this applies to the Tenno/Orokin./Stalker thing. The Tenno may have kicked a lot of &#!, but when they went into stasis they weren't around to say what happened. For all we know, someone could have spread their own version of history.

 

I think this sounds less cliche and more interesting. In my opinion, anyway.

 

I don't like that train of thought just on the grounds that it turns us into Superman, pretty much. Heroic justice-doing heroes that can do no wrong. I prefer the idea that we took some kind of revenge against the Orokin for having turned the Tenno into what they are (which, while powerful, is also monstrous and inhuman - i.e., Frankenstein's monster), rather than "we were dealt a harsh blow, but rose above it and become justice-filled goodguys!"

 

In short: I WANT us to have been responsible for the destruction of the Orokin, not completely blameless for their end because of an "unreliable narrator" or "we were being mind controlled!" The flawed heroes are the best, and if the entire "balance" idea is to be believed then the end of the Orokin met those requirements (still think the Orokin were just the ruling class of humans at the time, so the fall of one dynasty opens up the rise of more equally-balanced ones).

Edited May 21, 2014 by Morec0

[PsychedelicSnake]

I don't like that train of thought just on the grounds that it turns us into Superman, pretty much. Heroic justice-doing heroes that can do no wrong. I prefer the idea that we took some kind of revenge against the Orokin for having turned the Tenno into what they are (which, while powerful, is also monstrous and inhuman - i.e., Frankenstein's monster), rather than "we were dealt a harsh blow, but rose above it and become justice-filled goodguys!"

I too don't like the idea that the Tenno can do no wrong. That's why I still prefer the theory I detailed. While the theory states that the Tenno did not wipe out the Orokin, it still leaves enough open of the already sparse lore where they may still have done bad things. I like the idea that the player can decide whether they did something terrible or not, rather than just throwing it in your face.

[Paradoxbomb]

That's my thinking. I believe he is what we typically call an Unreliable Narrator.

 

You know that saying that "History is written by the victors?" Well, I personally think this applies to the Tenno/Orokin./Stalker thing. The Tenno may have kicked a lot of &#!, but when they went into stasis they weren't around to say what happened. For all we know, someone could have spread their own version of history.

 

I think this sounds less cliche and more interesting. In my opinion, anyway.

 

It certainly would be a twist if it turned out the Tenno weren't truly responsible for the fall of the Orokin (I actually quite like the idea of the story going murder mystery thriller on us) though for now we can only go off of speculation and what little has been presented to us, namely that the Tenno are allegedly the one's responsible.

 

Hope the truth doesn't disappoint.

Edited May 21, 2014 by Paradoxbomb

[Ionus]

It certainly would be a twist if it turned out the Tenno weren't truly responsible for the fall of the Orokin (I actually quite like the idea of the story going murder mystery thriller on us) though for now we can only go off of speculation and what little has been presented to us, namely that the Tenno are allegedly the one's responsible.

 

Hope the truth doesn't disappoint.

 

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[KeepOnFlowing]

Go to the Wiki

 

Question about the Infested explanation:

 

Do you want the Dark Sector + Warframe answer or just the Warframe answer?

Oh man, we got the two Warframe Forums comedians here! This is big folks!

Edited May 21, 2014 by BecomeLikeWater

[PsychedelicSnake]

Oh man, we got the two Warframe Forums comedians here! This is big folks!

Um. It wasn't a joke.

 

I was asking whether he/she wanted the Warframe + Dark Sector explanation or just the Warframe universe explanation.

[BETAOPTICS]

I advice you go to the Wiki. There is all the information we have that are canon excluding player made theories. This you can find by using the search button on the top right corner of the forum page. Educate yourself, do not ask other people to do the work for you. This would be the better way to approach this question.

Anyways, link here: http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/WARFRAME_Wiki

Edited May 21, 2014 by BETAOPTICS

[Tengu-musume]

My theory is that the Ancients faked their loss, and then took control of the Tenno and killed the Orokin, followed by ripping their memories away and forcing the Tenno into the cryopods so that they would no longer pose a threat to them, and then launched all of the Orokin outposts into the void where they assumed they would be lost forever in the twisted space. Then the Ancients took the rest of the galaxy, stripped it of anything they deemed worthy of having, bombed most of posthuman civilization into the stone age, and left to pursue other things for glory. The remaining posthuman races managed to survive in small colonies, but since they were cut off from each other, they splintered off into two factions which have different parts of the remaining technology that was left to them, but more recently are rediscovering Orokin technology after they got to the point where it was possible for them to attempt recovering it, which is when the Tenno woke up again.

 

There's a subtheory where the Lotus is actually the Sentient avatar which is using the Tenno as a means to stop all of the other posthuman races from actually gaining enough dominance of the galaxy to ever pose a threat to the Sentients ever again by keeping them in check and pitting them against each other, which is supported by their recent "discovery" and awakening soon after the Grineer/Corpus alliance, which soon fell apart due to the presence of Orokin technology leading to greed and mistrust, and the Tenno's constant employment as a means to drive a wedge between them.

 

I expect the Sentients to show up because at a certain point they will realize that the Tenno are becoming too strong.

If they can wipe out their memories and force them into cryopods and launch them, why didn't they just kill them to begin with?

[weirdee]

I put it down to them either being too lazy or impatient to blow up every last Orokin tower, an alternative theory in which an Orokin failsafe sent them into the void to prevent the Sentients from getting a permanent grip on their property, or the Sentients purposely keeping them hidden in order for them to be used in the future if they ever had to do so, according to the subtheory.

Edited May 21, 2014 by weirdee

[Shadowfink11]

Thank you guys for answering my questions accept for that guy who said ''Go to the wiki'' 

[Nimbat]

My personal belief is that the Orokin were just ordinary earthly humans except thousands and thousands years into the future. So tired of speculating though. Give us some narrative pls :(