Joocyfroot Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I would be ok with a trade off type upgrade. Examples: - Prime frame has better raw stats (shield/health/stam/energy/speed/etc.) but less slots for mods. - Prime frames can equip 2 auras but have less raw stats - Prime frames can equip 2 primaries, but cannot equip a melee weapon Of course stuff like that would require some type of Prime Frames 2.0 to implement and would have to be done with extreme caution since we need only to look at the corrupted mods that were supposed to be trade offs but for some builds there was no disadvantage to using them. Stuff like that. I'm strongly opposed to direct upgrades for several reasons. The most important reason being that if someone supercharges and forma's their Nova for example, then DE releases Nova prime that is a direct upgrade, all the grinding and forma and plat is entirely wasted on an obsolete frame. Then there's the fact that it creates a disparity in power between new players and veterans (which there already is due to having to grind mods/forma/etc.). I'm fine with them just having different aesthetics and free formas though personally. I think adding flavor and variety to new things is a better approach than just releasing power creep items that make older items obsolete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arxiun Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I think primes should a get a buff, just because I think they should be upgraded versions (dat forma isn't enough). Also, I think that primes should have forma in their bps i don't think people should worry about upgrading their non-primes and then getting the prime, seeing as if you are late enough in game that you really do need to forma, you're late enough ingame to have some lying around, along with catalysts (I have about 10 bps of both potatoes and more forma) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) They were supposed to have extra functionality in the void, but DE never really expanded on that beyond letting you get a bit of extra energy with prime frames. Considering the amount of hastle you have to go through getting them, Imo they should have some kind of added benefit compared to their normal counter parts, preferably something other than straight forward stat upgrades. It should also be different per frame imo too :| Edited May 25, 2014 by Aggh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Primes should be better imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jin_Lightning Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) I think primes should only get bonuses for teams, just like the Death Orb energy boost in the Void. A while back, I had the idea that prime frames get access to unique auras, or 'Prime Auras'. These would have stronger, or maybe dual effects. Examples Barbarian: Extra Health and Melee Dmg Paladin: Extra Armour and Energy Regeneration Corny names, but good ideas. -Jin Edited May 23, 2014 by Jin_Lightning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonPorpoise Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) I would be ok with a trade off type upgrade. Examples: - Prime frame has better raw stats (shield/health/stam/energy/speed/etc.) but less slots for mods. - Prime frames can equip 2 auras but have less raw stats - Prime frames can equip 2 primaries, but cannot equip a melee weapon Of course stuff like that would require some type of Prime Frames 2.0 to implement and would have to be done with extreme caution since we need only to look at the corrupted mods that were supposed to be trade offs but for some builds there was no disadvantage to using them. Stuff like that. I'm strongly opposed to direct upgrades for several reasons. The most important reason being that if someone supercharges and forma's their Nova for example, then DE releases Nova prime that is a direct upgrade, all the grinding and forma and plat is entirely wasted on an obsolete frame. Then there's the fact that it creates a disparity in power between new players and veterans (which there already is due to having to grind mods/forma/etc.). I'm fine with them just having different aesthetics and free formas though personally. I think adding flavor and variety to new things is a better approach than just releasing power creep items that make older items obsolete. I agree with your trade-off idea but your third example really doesn't make any sense... You mean it takes forgotten ancient technology to realise that you can strap two guns on yourself into battle? 0.0 Oh wait. Warframe. http://youtu.be/SRZlJi_VVyk Edited May 23, 2014 by NIXYNIXYNIX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)friedricetheman Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Prime frames are bling only. And I am addicted to them.. Sidenote : Once you go bling, you'll never go back.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)NicoTheSneakyGuy Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Well since Fatty Prime runs faster, I'm pretty much expecting Loki Prime to run even faster. I feel like Primes should be bonuses over regular frames, but only while on the void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)friedricetheman Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Well since Fatty Prime runs faster, I'm pretty much expecting Loki Prime to run even faster. I feel like Primes should be bonuses over regular frames, but only while on the void. And don't forget noobcalibur prime have a faster shield recharge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)NicoTheSneakyGuy Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 And don't forget noobcalibur prime have a faster shield recharge. That's like not even noticeable. But I still my opnion of bonuses only while on the void still stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joocyfroot Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with your trade-off idea but your third example really doesn't make any sense... You mean it takes forgotten ancient technology to realise that you can strap two guns on yourself into battle? 0.0 Oh wait. Warframe. http://youtu.be/SRZlJi_VVyk Yeah true dat. Was mostly just giving examples so people understood what I was trying to say though, I'm sure lore friendly trade offs that adhere to logic could be thought up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybernetix Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) Either cosmetic or slight sidegrade. Using Rhino and Ember as examples for how things should have been handled. Rhino Prime: Faster than regular Rhino because the Orokin alloys in the armour plating make him lighter. However, it's not as tough as our modern ferrite/alloy armour that we make regular Rhino frames out of. Ember Prime: Increased power strength thanks to Orokin space magic. However, Orokin space magic isn't as energy-efficient as the tenno space magic found in regular Ember. edit: formatting broke for no good reason at all Edited May 23, 2014 by Cybernetix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3ST Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) To me, they should definetly be quite an upgrade from the normal versions, and not just visually, better stats allaround.. How fun would the GTA franchise series be, if the super sleek sportscars was only as fast as the most ordinary familie car,? just bling, no speed, ZZZZzzzzzzzzzz.. Or Assasins creed, if Alatairs gear was just the same from the get go, = no progression,.. Edit* Tarille said exactly what i mean: It makes sense that if Prime weapons are intended to be stronger than non-prime variants (See: The buffs that Boltor Prime and Orthos Prime and Latron Prime recieved to make them noticeably better than their non-prime versions) then Prime frames should have benefits over non-prime versions, in more than just an additional polarity (Which isn't even there for Ember Prime) Anyway,.. just my 2 cents.. Edited May 23, 2014 by D3ST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostar Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 The way it is now, is okay to me. But I'd rather go with the purely cosmetic thing. Because.... if I get a prime version of a frame before I get it's normal version... what motivation is there to get the normal one? Thats actually something that seems weird to me, in the market you can get a Prime Warframe for less then 100P, which is VASTLY less the cost of the Non Prime frame in the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerelyARumor Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 The way it is now, is okay to me. But I'd rather go with the purely cosmetic thing. Because.... if I get a prime version of a frame before I get it's normal version... what motivation is there to get the normal one? make the normal 1 an ingredient to make the prime one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurzil Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 So 2000 and late.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchel Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 should be purely cosmetic OR have other magical thingy-stuff when its on the orokin map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerelyARumor Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 i think prime frames should be treated like arcane stat helmets, eventually DE might want to release a different upgraded version of a frame that isnt a prime and that one could have different stats as well (they should have 1 negative thing and 1 positive thing for all those people who want to go all out on something specifically) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlouetteSK Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I like the idea of the primes being upgrades to the normal versions. You worked hard enough grinding for the parts, why not make it worth the effort? (Unless you bought them. I can't exactly say anything about that.) However I do want it to eventually be implemented that for the primve versions of frames/weapons, one of the ingredients would have to be a maxed level ordinary version, in addition to the prime parts. So for Loki Prime, I would have to have a maxed regular Loki, in addition to the main Prime BP, the Helmet, Chassis, and Systems. That would make getting the original actually worth something. Biggest problem I do see for implementing this are the dual weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyfulmama Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I want Primes to be more powerful because it would be cool in the lore! The Primes were built by ancient Orokin, so they have enhanced powers and features brought about by the ancient Orokin's skilled craftsmanship etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribboz Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 +1 for prime frames getting their bonus. Prime weapons are better why not frames too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CM-Tiffany Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 The Rhino P. movement sprint boost was completely unnecessary, but if there are going to be boosts, some trivial ones like Excalibur P.'s extra shield regeneration speed would be just fine. Aesthetics + Forma only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iotan Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Small bonuses and penalties in different areas depending on the frame used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AscendantWyvern Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 In my humble opinion, Prime frames should be visual ONLY. Their job is to be a trophy to show off. Something that says "I went to the void, grinded my &#! off and got this shiny new toy." But then again, trading prime parts would make that idea moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS- Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Primes should be upgrades, but with trade-offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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