Dalu__Ka Posted May 24, 2014 Posted May 24, 2014 I am seeing less Novas (Novae, novi?) in public games spamming Mprime, Less trinities spamming Blessing, and even less Blessing+link. And you gave several frames a really good buff in the form of toggle. More diversity in pubs, less boring game play in pubs. Nice job, keep up the good work!
MrJxt Posted May 24, 2014 Posted May 24, 2014 (edited) I agree. Where's that flame repellent mod image when you need it the most? inb4 butthurt below Edited May 24, 2014 by MrJxt
Seele Posted May 24, 2014 Posted May 24, 2014 Not to mention the fact that you can expect an Ash to pull his weight now. He's finally a frame you can take seriously and not an edgy roleplaying frame.
Dalu__Ka Posted May 24, 2014 Author Posted May 24, 2014 The complainers have enough threads, lets keep this one to our selves :)
Dalu__Ka Posted May 24, 2014 Author Posted May 24, 2014 I'd have to disagree with the OP however, if forcing people off frames they like is "diversity", then it's not real. They'll just go to the next meta. That's the beauty of these tweaks. No one is forced off frames they like.
Seele Posted May 24, 2014 Posted May 24, 2014 Ash could already pull his weight, player-skill overcomes problems. Example - Ash = Teleport + Smoke Screen, teleport at lightning speed to enemies and take them out (the Teleport "buff" has gimped this somewhat). I'd have to disagree with the OP however, if forcing people off frames they like is "diversity", then it's not real. They'll just go to the next meta. Ash was good for getting rid of one guy at a time. I'm not saying a talented Ash could never top a scoreboard before, but he's just as capable of doing so now as other frames. One frame being too strong will gravitate players towards it, which is more detrimental to diversity than adjusting one. Trinity and Nova players who are so butthurt that they can't even bring themselves to continue using those frames have plenty of other frames to choose from, and I know for a fact that a lot of new players were carried straight to Nova, Rhino Prime, or Trinity; Soma / Penta / Boltor Prime, etc. So a lot of the complainers are probably so because they actually don't have another warframe to play.
TwiceDead Posted May 24, 2014 Posted May 24, 2014 I am so amused by the forums right now.Needless to say I highly approve of the new changes. The more you blur the lines of the Meta, the less likely you are to see people using only one form of it.
Archistopheles Posted May 24, 2014 Posted May 24, 2014 I'm also seeing more people die when I play Trinity. Yay balance! Trinity is truly a Canadian now ~player dies~ Trinity: "Sorry!"
Dalu__Ka Posted May 24, 2014 Author Posted May 24, 2014 I'm also seeing more people die when I play Trinity. Yay balance! Trinity is truly a Canadian now ~player dies~ Trinity: "Sorry!" A player died? oh...my...god... I'm uninstalling! :)
Dalu__Ka Posted May 24, 2014 Author Posted May 24, 2014 Oh but they are, plenty have left Nova and Trinity. They choose not to use them anymore, no one is twisting their arms. There is a big difference between being forced to do something and choosing not to do something.
Seele Posted May 24, 2014 Posted May 24, 2014 If their reason for choosing said frame is removed, then they aren't given much choice, correct? If their reason for using those frames was a singular power then the adjustments were completely justified. The powers were also not removed, just made a little more reasonable.
Dalu__Ka Posted May 24, 2014 Author Posted May 24, 2014 Few may not be able to deal with the tweaks, but it was a much needed one for Warframe. ''That's one small step for a Tenno, one giant leap for Tennokind.''
seren77 Posted May 25, 2014 Posted May 25, 2014 They all just moved to the next most powerful frame. Every match I play has 1-3 Nyx in it. When they nerf Nyx they will just go to the next one. Trinity is more entertaining to play now.
Monolake Posted May 25, 2014 Posted May 25, 2014 I did some curious sampling of ~20 missions on outer planets, the most used frames are still Rhino and Excalibur, the least used are Ash, Frost and Hydroid (only seen once) and never encountered a single Zephyr. Sadly I lost the full list due to power-outage. Anyway +1 to OP. Balancing results in more different classes being played. As of Trinity job its almost impossible to keep an eye on teammates health wit the current HUD.
Myocarde Posted May 25, 2014 Posted May 25, 2014 (edited) I wouldn't be so optimistic. The problem is not with warframes, but with people who play them. They will just switch to the "next best thing", like somebody has mentioned before. My bet is on a tsunami of Ahses, if they'll turn his ulti with "clones" into a "fire and forget" ability, cause DE loves to "overbuff" as much as they love to "overnerf". Another flaw with "spamming one ability" is poor game design, of the 3 other abilities, on most frames. A proper rebalancing would still be to work on a frame as a whole, including role, stats, utility and not just "butchering one strong ability at a time", whilst leaving out the really crappy ones intact. See my earlier point, and regards to Trinity...press Z...watch health? It's how I did Trinity before + after update So, i was not the only one who took a healer frame to actually heal. Good to hear. Yeah, and there's nothing different to playing a healer in an MMO compared to playing one in warframe. You do the same healthbar watching. Except the fact that you're limited to Trin's 4, cause WoL isn't worth the fuss anyways and people tend to spread all over the room/map. And with the nerf might be that a DPS/buffer frame loaded with health consumables is a better choice than a Trinity. Edited May 25, 2014 by Myocarde
KittyDarkling Posted May 25, 2014 Posted May 25, 2014 +1 I really like all the changes so far. As a dedicated Nova player I love her new ult and will likely player her more for it. It's a wonderful change that actually enables me to have FUN with her press 4 xD who would of thought?
Silver_Fox75 Posted May 25, 2014 Posted May 25, 2014 Guise DE stil didunt Buf meh NoeVa enuf, MPrime suks noew But in all seriousness as one who uses a Nova often enough i can say that the nerf was perfectly fine and She's still viable
Wargasm_v2.X Posted May 25, 2014 Posted May 25, 2014 Liking the nerfs eh? Good for the game eh? I'm glad we are all finally on board. I look forward to more balance changes especially around the other "press 4 to win" abilities.
blackstraykitten Posted May 25, 2014 Posted May 25, 2014 congratulations to nova and trinityso the next nerf award goes to *enter drum roll*...
DBugII Posted May 25, 2014 Posted May 25, 2014 so the next nerf award goes to *enter drum roll*... Oberson's heal no longer auto-revives.
blackstraykitten Posted May 25, 2014 Posted May 25, 2014 Guise DE stil didunt Buf meh NoeVa enuf, MPrime suks noew But in all seriousness as one who uses a Nova often enough i can say that the nerf was perfectly fine and She's still viable i played nova long enough and i could say that it still works the same way, slower but the same. i just placed rush and used shade as sentinel and run around to enprime them all
Dalu__Ka Posted May 25, 2014 Author Posted May 25, 2014 Liking the nerfs eh? Good for the game eh? I'm glad we are all finally on board. I look forward to more balance changes especially around the other "press 4 to win" abilities. Sarcasm was totally not needed.
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