Ember Or Nyx?

[RIPGray]

Read title plz.

[izzatuw]

Nyx I find her more fun. As a person that owns both

Ember has better 1st and 2nd but her 3rd and ult are meh compared to Nyx's 3rd ult and ult.

Nyx's 1st, 3rd and 4th are infinite scaling. But her 1st is pretty useless without a proper team.

Edited May 30, 2014 by izzatuw

[-dicht.ThanksFrost-]

ember cuz of them thighs.

[RIPGray]

Nyx I find her more fun. As a person that owns both

Ember has better 1st and 2nd but her 3rd and ult are meh compared to Nyx's 3rd ult and ult.

Nyx's 1st, 3rd and 4th are infinite scaling. But her 1st is pretty useless without a proper team.

Please specify.

[izzatuw]

Please specify.

TL;DR. Fireball Vs Mind Control

Fireball seems to be better because if you target an enemy they'll burn and enemies near them will take some damage.

Mind Control: well it works on a single target. The mind controlled person will not attack you even if you're the only enemy. Ancient healers will heal you. Mind Control is good but I don't have a time a mind control person lived because they die from my friends the second I cast it.

2nd ability:Accelerant vs Physic bolts

Ember easily beats this round.

Accelerant:Causes enemies in it's range to be stunned and you deal extra fire damage to them.

Physic bolts:Easily Nyx's and probably the games most useless ability. It MAY deal damage or maybe not which makes this ability useless.

3rd ability: Chaos vs fireblast

Fireblast: It's a so so ability. You

slam the ground and makes a ring of fire. But it only burns enemies and only by chance near you. Enemies that come after it's casted won't be effected.

Chaos:I think this ability beats this round. Any enemy in range will be effected and will start turning on each other. The bad part of this ability is that it can't be recasted until the time is up or every enemy effected is dead. But there's no enemy cap so you can chaos an entire enemy if they're in range.

Ult:World on Fire Vs Absorb

World on Fire:It causes fire to erupt from the ground killing mostly ecerything and is pretty decent. But it can't scale.

Absorb:Absorbs all enemy damage. Damage is based on how much you absorb which is shown below while it's activated. But you can't move which makes it dangerous if the pod is being attacked but it's toggable.

Overall after using both potatoed and rank 30 I found Nyx better. She's the CC queen. I didn't find Ember fun as much as I expected. I also believe Ember is more mod dependant.

Ember:Strength.Duration.Range.

Nyx:Range.Duration and Strength is optional to her.

Nyx can control energy better because you can use fleeting. You don't need to balance out the lost of Duration because short duration can help you recast Chaos faster. Same with Mind Control. Absorb drains energy based on how long you're in that bubble. Yoy can also use Overextended without worrying about the strength lost.

Ember is dependant on Strength. Range. And Duration which makes corrupted building her difficult.

I'd say go for Nyx

Edited May 30, 2014 by izzatuw

[RIPGray]

Fireball Vs Mind Control

Fireball seems to be better because if you target an enemy they'll burn and enemies near them will take some damage.

Mind Control: well it works on a single target. The mind controlled person will not attack you even if you're the only enemy. Ancient healers will heal you.

Ah. Will it work on bosses tho? Im beginning to go to Nyx. CC vs Mind Control. Hmph

[izzatuw]

Ah. Will it work on bosses tho? Im beginning to go to Nyx. CC vs Mind Control. Hmph

No it won't. But it works on Heavy Gunners which is great. I'll continue with the other abilities

[Y4gers]

Ember rules when it comes to clearing low-midlevel missions fast. Switch on 4 and run through the map, more or less ignoring all enemies. (Im looking at you invasions and alerts) Pull out her 3 and the ring of fire will keep ya more or less safe from anything which tries to come close. 

 

Nyx however has no dmg cap on the ult, making it a viable dmg frame even against highlevel enemies where "normal" dmg abilities like embers simply dont scale anymore. And of course chaos makes a wonderfull CC ability. 

 

Personally, I would go with nyx if i had to choose. But thats because im playing endgame where ember simply doesnt scale into. For someone who still mainly playes against low-midlevel enemies I recommend Ember. She will make things a lot easier with her abilities, as long as they kill the enemy (which they will in those levels) 

[Lactamid]

Nyx is an amazing frame able to use crowd controlling abilities while also having one of the most  (if not the most) powerfull damage dealer in game.

 

Nyx:

1:st - Mind controll is pretty sweet for such a cheap skill. Use it on the first enemy of a group in a corridor to hinder enemy assaults. Use it on a Ancient healer to regain health. You can even cast it to avoid "slaps" from ancients if you turn them fast enough.

 

2:nd -  Psychic bolts aren't that great, mostly due to their inconsistent targetting but also because of their low dam and "off" damage theme. Not what you mod for.

 

3:rd - Chaos is amazing and could as well have been an ult. skill. Works in most situations, be careful with cast times though if you want to recast it.

 

4:th - Absorb. Throw a couple of Castanas on the ground, use Absorb, pop castanas and then pop Absorb. If there is another Nyx there you can even use your absorb to power the next, and vice versa. I've hit 1000000 (1 million) damage with this in defense.

 

Ember

1:st - Fireball is a point and click projectile which is rather meh and useless in higher missions. Even with proc.

 

2:nd - Accelerant is imo quite good. Use Ember with a flamethrower (Ignis) and power mods and you get a hell of alot of damage. But the stun aint long enough and you need to get close with a untanky frame. The old damage redux was far better.

 

3:rd - Fire Blast. Create a ring of fire which enemies will just walk through and wonder "was that all?". Might work on low levels but pretty much just creates some graphical noice on your screen and screams "I'm horrible remove me asap".

 

4:th - World of Fire was amazing when hunting for those Grineer floaty thingies back in the event were they where first released. But unless you're going against something that will die pretty fast anyway it ain't that great. + goes out for it following you though. That can actually save your butt sometimes and makes for easy rushing.

 

Ember imo still needs some work on most of her skills, while Nyx is rather solid, the minus of course being the 2:nd ability.

[KimchiKen_Prime]

Nyx= end game

Ember = Fun to set the whole damm place on fire

[Luka_csc]

Or

[izzatuw]

Nyx is an amazing frame able to use crowd controlling abilities while also having one of the most  (if not the most) powerfull damage dealer in game.

 

Nyx:

1:st - Mind controll is pretty sweet for such a cheap skill. Use it on the first enemy of a group in a corridor to hinder enemy assaults. Use it on a Ancient healer to regain health. You can even cast it to avoid "slaps" from ancients if you turn them fast enough.

 

2:nd -  Psychic bolts aren't that great, mostly due to their inconsistent targetting but also because of their low dam and "off" damage theme. Not what you mod for.

 

3:rd - Chaos is amazing and could as well have been an ult. skill. Works in most situations, be careful with cast times though if you want to recast it.

 

4:th - Absorb. Throw a couple of Castanas on the ground, use Absorb, pop castanas and then pop Absorb. If there is another Nyx there you can even use your absorb to power the next, and vice versa. I've hit 1000000 (1 million) damage with this in defense.

 

Ember

1:st - Fireball is a point and click projectile which is rather meh and useless in higher missions. Even with proc.

 

2:nd - Accelerant is imo quite good. Use Ember with a flamethrower (Ignis) and power mods and you get a hell of alot of damage. But the stun aint long enough and you need to get close with a untanky frame. The old damage redux was far better.

 

3:rd - Fire Blast. Create a ring of fire which enemies will just walk through and wonder "was that all?". Might work on low levels but pretty much just creates some graphical noice on your screen and screams "I'm horrible remove me asap".

 

4:th - World of Fire was amazing when hunting for those Grineer floaty thingies back in the event were they where first released. But unless you're going against something that will die pretty fast anyway it ain't that great. + goes out for it following you though. That can actually save your butt sometimes and makes for easy rushing.

 

Ember imo still needs some work on most of her skills, while Nyx is rather solid, the minus of course being the 2:nd ability.

Nyx has a 2nd?

[Sabreracer]

Nyx was my third frame and while I liked her she got left behind in the stable while I used the newer ones.

 

However I dusted her off a couple of weeks ago and realised what a mistake it was to leave her for that long.  

 

She's my number one choice now for T3 defense and survivals of 40 minutes or more without Trinity running around spamming Blessing. 

 

It depends on where you are in the game, as the others have said for low/med games Ember is probably more rewarding for high end Nyx makes things far easier.

[Darzk]

Simply put Ember kills stuff with abilities, Nyx controls them. Even her ult has a knockdown component.

 

Now killing stuff with abilities generally only works well at lower levels, so Ember becomes fairly useless at higher levels. However she remains useful longer than most caster frames due to 5x damage amplification from Accelerant.

 

Nyx excels at CC, and has an endgame applicable nuke. More effective at higher levels.

 

IMO get and play both, they serve different roles. Ember is a lot of fun, but not effective at really high levels.

[RIPGray]

Thanks guys. The help was appreciated.

[Lactamid]

Nyx has a 2nd?

...hahaha...

[Sedant]

Burn them with fire!

[CombatTeddy]

Mind bend your foes, or roast them with an open fire...

 

WHY NOT BOTH!!!

[izzatuw]

Thanks guys. The help was appreciated.

Np

[Susno]

Nyx has a 2nd?

Haha I was thinking this. It actually took me about 30 secs before i remembered what it was x)

[Sloan441]

Both, of course. If for no other reason than mastery.

 

They aren't directly comparable. Ember has a relatively narrow niche, but in that niche she's hard to beat. If your thing is running exterminations or invasions, Ember can clean house damn fast.

 

Nyx is all about control. She works better in tougher content. She has little to offer in high speed runs typical of invasions or exterminations and isn't necessary for low level missions (like T1s). Where she shines is defending fixed positions and keeping tough enemies off of vulnerable teammates.

 

The two working together are quite formidable.

 

You should have both.

[izzatuw]

Both, of course. If for no other reason than mastery.

 

They aren't directly comparable. Ember has a relatively narrow niche, but in that niche she's hard to beat. If your thing is running exterminations or invasions, Ember can clean house damn fast.

 

Nyx is all about control. She works better in tougher content. She has little to offer in high speed runs typical of invasions or exterminations and isn't necessary for low level missions (like T1s). Where she shines is defending fixed positions and keeping tough enemies off of vulnerable teammates.

 

The two working together are quite formidable.

 

You should have both.

But what if he has a plat shortage and can only afford one at a time?

[Susno]

But for OP, Nyx is top tier frame who I find one of the funniest to play of em all.

 

For Chaos:

 

Combining Fleeting Expertise with range mods and no durations makes it insanly spammable for large areas without having to wait for CD to drop. 

 

Absorb works as a taunting device aswell as dmg, very usefull when shielding allies and ofc, for dmg. 

 

Nyx - Endgame, long def/survivals.

Ember - Quickruns, cooking food, keep your lover warm.

[izzatuw]

If you're going for Nyx I'd suggest getting an arcane Vespa helm for efficiency

[Susno]

But what if he has a plat shortage and can only afford one at a time?

Then he should get the one who suits his stage of the game best. If he isnt at end game lvl yet (being wapons, mods etc) go with ember is my suggestion. Nyx wont be of any real use unless you're ready for longer T2/3 runs, weapon and mod wise.