Marksman Rifle - Latron Prime Vs. Syabris

[Darzk]

LP = 3x size clip, more accurate bc not burst, more damage % is puncure, good for Grineer/Corpus Robots/Ancient Healers, but ~1/2 the damage per trigger pull of Sybaris.

 

Sybaris = ~2x the damage per trigger pull of LP, but 1/3rd the clip, burst fire less accurate, and less puncture damage (but more Impact and Slash, good for Corpus/Infested units).

 

 

They feel pretty similar from above. Similar sustained DPS. I think what's gonna make a huge difference is the headshot multiplier.

 

LP has 37.5% crit chance = 2.75x average headshot multiplier

Syb has 62.5% crit chance = 3.25x average headshot multiplier

Thus SB has ~18% more damage increase than LP when making headshots.

 

What's really gonna make a practical difference is the chance to get at least one crit, because that'll do 4x-8x damage, and it'll probably get a kill, so we really care more about chance to get at least one crit than we do about average crit chance. Here Sybaris has a much higher %age.

 

Assuming Point Strike in the build;

 

LP has a 10% chance at 37.5% chance to get at least one crit, and a 90% chance to get a 60.9% chance to get at least one crit, = 58.6% chance to get at least one crit.

 

Sybaris has a 1% chance of firing 2 bullets for a 86% chance to get at least one crit, 18% percent chance of firing 3 for a 94.7% chance to get at least one crit, a 81% chance of firing 4 for a chance of 98% chance of getting at least one crit. = 97.3% of getting at least one crit. 

 

 

Basically it boils down to:

 

Latron Prime: Higher Damage/Ammo. Spikier damage distribution from less frequent harder hitting crits. Larger Clip = less time spent reloading. More Puncture damage, good for Gunners. Comes with 2 Polarities.

 

Sybaris: ~2.4x Higher Damage/Trigger Pull. More even Damage Distribution from critical headshots. Smaller Clip = more time spent reloading. More Impact/Slash damage, good for Infested/Corpus.

 

 

Which one would you choose?

Edited June 3, 2014 by Darzk

[Psycho1848]

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/233608-sybaris-a-better-version-of-latron-prime/

[Archistopheles]

The Marelok.

 

doh.

[Aggh]

Latron.  It kills stuff just fine and does it without the long reloads in between every 5 shots.

[Senketsu_]

I like the Sybaris, in both utility and look design. I dont really like the look of the Latron Prime, and I always refer burst weapons.(fav primary weapon other then the Sybris is the Burston Prime.)

[(PSN)supramurkat]

Latron Prime

 

 

better yet...

Victis ;)

[Darzk]

Hrm. Vectis hits about 40% harder than Sybaris, but fires slower, right? And draws from the sniper pool, which is much less common. 

Sybaris also has a significantly higher proc rate.

 

Vectis: 18 ammo in 30 seconds = 0.6 shots per second

Sybaris: 60 ammo = 30 shots in 30 seconds = 1 shot per second

 

So Vectis does 140% damage but only 60% fire rate = 84% of the DPS that Sybaris does.

[MageMeat]

Hrm. Vectis hits about 40% harder than Sybaris, but fires slower, right? And draws from the sniper pool, which is much less common. 

Sybaris also has a significantly higher proc rate.

 

Vectis: 18 ammo in 30 seconds = 0.6 shots per second

Sybaris: 60 ammo = 30 shots in 30 seconds = 1 shot per second

 

So Vectis does 140% damage but only 60% fire rate = 84% of the DPS that Sybaris does.

Where did the Vectis come from?

They're talking about the Latron Prime and Sybaris.

EDIT: I just realized who posted that. Doh.

Edited June 3, 2014 by MageMeat

[(PSN)Hiero_Glyph]

What's funny is that the number of targets often determines which weapon is best due to magazine size and fire rate.  Latron Prime is far more versatile than either Sybaris or Vectis due to it's larger magazine and decent fire rate.  In specific situations however, both Sybaris and Vectis can outperform the other two.  Unfortunately for Vectis, long range and extremely accurate engagements are far too infrequent currently.  As for Sybaris, while you can potentially kill more than 5 targets per reload, a missed/blocked shot really hurts this weapon as it drops it's DPS significantly.  I still feel that Latron Prime is superior despite being statistically inferior just because of how easily it can be applied to most situations.

[Darzk]

Yeah just field tested for RoF, Sybaris is 1 shot per second while LPrime is 1.26 shots, so

 

Sybaris = 10106.54 Damage per Shot, 1 shot per second, 3.25x Headshot Modifier = 32846 Sustained DPS

LPRime = 5146.31 Damage per Shot, 1.26 Shots per second, 2.75x Headshot Modifier = 17832 Sustained DPS

 

Therefore Sybaris has 84% more DPS than LPrime. Thats sorta insanely better. Puncture damage isnt gonna make up that gap.

 

So I think I've factored everything in now - assuming you like/are skilled with burst fire weapons the Sybaris has a MUCH higher DPS, even considering you spend more time reloading.

[Cynick]

Yup, my 6 Forma Sybaris is my new Vectis. It ruins things. 

 

[fatpig84]

Using the Sybaris like a sniper rifle is the way to go.  The huge burst damage will help down heavies quickly.

Use Latron Prime as a battle rifle and general all round use.

[Flaming_Snake]

Vectis all day every day.

Sybaris just feels.... Wrong.

Edited June 4, 2014 by Flaming_Snake

[[DE]Momaw]

I personally don't really see the need for Sybaris. Yes it does a lot more damage, it just feels slow and clumsy in use. It's a sniper rifle where the Latron Prime is a battle rifle.  Every single shot with the Sybaris must be accounted for since you only get 5, while the LP is perfectly willing to do single shots, double shots, or just dump the entire mag if that's what it takes and misses don't hurt much. It's a very dynamic and flexible weapon.

 

Maybe Sybaris is a better choice for going past an hour in T3 survival if you start with the assumption that you'll have a loadout and frame that breaks combat and makes that possible after the Great Trinity Nerfs of 2014, but I don't really feel the need.

[(PSN)Hiero_Glyph]

So I have spent more time with the Sybaris and the main issue is that when you leave an enemy with a fraction of health it wastes ammo and just isn't efficient to use.  For example, if you can OHKO (technically 2HKO) an enemy you are performing at maximum efficiency.  Once you require a second burst however, you are likely wasting rounds as only a portion of the burst would be needed to kill the enemy.  This means you are often wasting around 25% of your damage output when the target does not die to the first burst.  In an ideal setting this weapon is amazing, but it doesn't take much to drop its effective DPS down to 60-80% (1 miss and/or 2 partial kills).  So while the Sybaris has substantially more DPS in an ideal setting, often the applied DPS is far less.

[sneakatone]

latron prime all the way

[botbot123321]

Sybaris have a higher burst DPS factoring critical hits but I'd say Latron prime is better.