PRO VERSION sucks now

[DiBBz]

And you are a master of business? go back to school kid..

apparently people dont even know what the word beta is cause they expect it to be near perfet from the get go

[FanaticGamer]

And you are a master of business? go back to school kid..

Really AndersCy? He brings up a valid point, and you call him a kid?

I think you need some perspective yourself, and maybe go back to school and learn how to format an argument.

[opticalshadow]

Cosmetic items do not generate enough revenue. They are used to supplement revenue from functional items. Until you understand the costs of businesses and more importantly employees in addition to how much revenue is generated by types of cash shop items it is ignorant to speak on what and how much companies should be charging for items.

you can still do this without making prem only items that are core to gameplay mecanincs.

planetside 2 is doing fine, league of legends has been doing fantastic, neither offer anythign that effects game balence that cant be bought ingame aswell. blacklight retribution offers some minor power grabs, but all the core items are ingame as well as cash.

if you look you will see alot more then a few f2p games that do not sell gameplay items, only cosmetic/boost or early access, and they must be doing fine to be up for years. the ones that tend to fail are the ones that offer absolute power unataible elsewhere.

[MegatechBody]

League of Legends is an extremely simplistic game that was ripped off a map for Warcraft 3 and is insanely popular. It isn't a business model that can be replicated without INSANE player numbers. Planetside 2's shop has items that cannot be obtained in-game. LoTRO is a great example of how F2P should be done.

Really AndersCy? He brings up a valid point, and you call him a kid?

I think you need some perspective yourself, and maybe go back to school and learn how to format an argument.

He does have a good point though I should get an MBA at some point instead of playin' all these video games.

Edited January 9, 2013 by MegatechBody

[AndersCy]

Ok Megatech what do you suggest ?

Would you rather have the game be pay to play monthly?

Every MMORPG has cosmetics and unique items for real cash and it works so far...

Edited January 9, 2013 by AndersCy

[MegatechBody]

Ok Megatech what do you suggest ?

Selling cosmetics, boosters, and all advanced game items in the cash shop. Have a credit or drop/recipe alternative in the game that requires significant time investment. Fun fact: That's what's on the way for pro mode so stop whining. If you spent half the time reading the dev / community posts you would know there's a resolution in the pipeline.

Edited January 9, 2013 by MegatechBody

[DiBBz]

Software engineers and artists making money? What is this craziness? You said it was free what gives! You owe me a free video game with all the content and items to be free because you said it was free! My time is worth money so unless you give me all the items and levels in the game right now it's not free!

i utterly dispise you're kind , let me just point out yes this is a free game but considering i dont see a founders forum pic or any signs that you have bought anything to support the devs (AND OR) this game WE WILL CLASS YOU AS A 2nd CLASS CITIZEN , talkling like that here just shows how impatient you are and how much of a real kiddish douchebag you really are , so what do you think the devs survive on fairy dust or something NO , the devs need money to get there wages and its people like us that support these games hence we give them money so they can keep moving foward , you clearly need to go back to school and realize just how hard life is , so in terms yo're gonna have to work really hard cause this is a free game mutch like any other free game like this playing free is always the hardest , you either pitch in and help and get great goodies in the process -OR- you stay a free player and work really hard just as any crap,boring long hours job IRL

just cause its a free game does not mean it will be like a P2P game , and they dont owe you a game numb nuts , you may as well be uninstalling if your going to continue with that sort of attitude after all this community could do with a lot less people like you

[DiBBz]

Ok Megatech what do you suggest ?

Would you rather have the game be pay to play monthly?

Every MMORPG has cosmetics and unique items for real cash and it works so far...

i wish it was cause then we would not have him here considering as he said he plays for free

[AndersCy]

you can still do this without making prem only items that are core to gameplay mecanincs.

planetside 2 is doing fine, league of legends has been doing fantastic, neither offer anythign that effects game balence that cant be bought ingame aswell. blacklight retribution offers some minor power grabs, but all the core items are ingame as well as cash.

if you look you will see alot more then a few f2p games that do not sell gameplay items, only cosmetic/boost or early access, and they must be doing fine to be up for years. the ones that tend to fail are the ones that offer absolute power unataible elsewhere.

Opticalshadow is right, LoL,PS2 are doing fine they get rich off cosmetics and double from the weapons...

[DiBBz]

Selling cosmetics, boosters, and all advanced game items in the cash shop.

thats always the solution with you people but youst still dont get it , THERE wanting the game F2P not a F2P P2W cause if they did add in unique cash items yous will all complain on how P2W it is

And dont say yous wont cause yous will it always happens in every F2P game

[AndersCy]

Selling cosmetics, boosters, and all advanced game items in the cash shop. Have a credit or drop/recipe alternative in the game that requires significant time investment. Fun fact: That's what's on the way for pro mode so stop whining. If you spent half the time reading the dev / community posts you would know there's a resolution in the pipeline.

Just because they posted something doesn't mean it's the ultimate solution and it's going to be like that ...

[MegatechBody]

Man you people are utterly hilarious. Internet arguments have certain constants and one is that people will take things out of context horribly so they can "win". Yeah a lot of games use cosmetics and boosters, I specifically said in one of my posts they supplement income from functional items. I also specifically said (this will be the 3rd time) they do not generate enough revenue. Unless your name is League of Legends and you're the most popular MOBA in the world then you do not generate enough money from pure cosmetic items. Even Team Fortress 2 sells functional stat based items and the most successful MMORPG ever is P2P. LoTRO's revenue skyrocketed and was a pioneer in the free to play movement as they were one of the first AAA MMORPGs to go free to play and guess what a ton of content ended up in the cash shop and required a large time investment in game to earn.

i utterly dispise you're kind , let me just point out yes this is a free game but considering i dont see a founders forum pic or any signs that you have bought anything to support the devs (AND OR) this game WE WILL CLASS YOU AS A 2nd CLASS CITIZEN , talkling like that here just shows how impatient you are and how much of a real kiddish douchebag you really are , so what do you think the devs survive on fairy dust or something NO , the devs need money to get there wages and its people like us that support these games hence we give them money so they can keep moving foward , you clearly need to go back to school and realize just how hard life is , so in terms yo're gonna have to work really hard cause this is a free game mutch like any other free game like this playing free is always the hardest , you either pitch in and help and get great goodies in the process -OR- you stay a free player and work really hard just as any crap,boring long hours job IRL

just cause its a free game does not mean it will be like a P2P game , and they dont owe you a game numb nuts , you may as well be uninstalling if your going to continue with that sort of attitude after all this community could do with a lot less people like you

This post is gold. Oh my god this post is fantastic.

Fun factoid: I was being sarcastic. Do you like read the whole post or like take one part of it and then write a hilarious rant about it?

Just because they posted something doesn't mean it's the ultimate solution and it's going to be like that ...

Yeah well you don't know until it comes out so go use someone else's servers to store your whineposts.

Edited January 9, 2013 by MegatechBody

[AndersCy]

thats always the solution with you people but youst still dont get it , THERE wanting the game F2P not a F2P P2W cause if they did add in unique cash items yous will all complain on how P2W it is

And dont say yous wont cause yous will it always happens in every F2P game

DiBBz whats your point ? If you don't like the free to play community why play a free to play game. Also why do you enjoy giving out money even for a close beta .. You don't know if warframe will be successful or not.

I would gladly support the game if they show trust ...

[AndersCy]

This post is gold. Oh my god this post is fantastic.

Fun factoid: I was being sarcastic. Do you like read the whole post or like take one part of it and then write a hilarious rant about it?

Yeah well you don't know until it comes out so go use someone else's servers to store your whineposts.

ok thanks for the fun fact :)

[athx]

The sheer ignorance in this topic is too laughable. People automatically assume that just because one thing is successful means that it will be successful for all games. This game is very much like the new waves of online games that are using this type of pay 2 play style (ie Firefall, Mechwarrior Online)

[DiBBz]

you can still do this without making prem only items that are core to gameplay mecanincs.

planetside 2 is doing fine, league of legends has been doing fantastic, neither offer anythign that effects game balence that cant be bought ingame aswell. blacklight retribution offers some minor power grabs, but all the core items are ingame as well as cash.

if you look you will see alot more then a few f2p games that do not sell gameplay items, only cosmetic/boost or early access, and they must be doing fine to be up for years. the ones that tend to fail are the ones that offer absolute power unataible elsewhere.

1.blacklight is not pure F2P and no not all items are avaiable in game for GP half the dam market is filled with Zen items so

2.Dont compare LOL wth waframe cause LOL F2P model is totaly different and none irelevant in this game

3.SOE is far bigger than this company digital extremes , hence why they make far more money and feed of from other games in there long list of games

Cosmetics/boosts etc etc in the overused response when F2P players cry out and want change WELL GUESS WHAT , THIS AINT LIKE OTHER GAMES

[AndersCy]

Also anyone notice a gameguard to protect against hacking? what happens when some guy puts hack for platinum?... reason I don't trust

[MegatechBody]

For the record I chipped in $10 for some plat to buy pro on my weapons because I'm having fun with the game.

The sheer ignorance in this topic is too laughable. People automatically assume that just because one thing is successful means that it will be successful for all games. This game is very much like the new waves of online games that are using this type of pay 2 play style (ie Firefall, Mechwarrior Online)

Well it's important to look at the individual game, the company producing it, the players using it, the behavior of those players. My point in all of this is to not be too hasty in praise or complaint. The developers specifically communicated they're addressing the pay to pro issue so it's silly to whine about it. That's the only message I really care about getting across. That and messing with certain posters that are easily provoked is kinda fun.

I'm guessing I agree with the posters arguing with me in that a combination of boosters, cosmetic items, and functional items should be available in the cash shop and the functional items should also be available by some in-game means. I just don't believe in the vast majority of cases that boosters and cosmetic items are enough.

Also anyone notice a gameguard to protect against hacking? what happens when some guy puts hack for platinum?... reason I don't trust

Considering you can't buy platinum in-game I'm not sure how that works. I'm guessing adding platinum to a game account has nothing to do with game client to server communication. It's probably all encrypted web traffic that processes your transaction and then it send a query to the database that adds platinum to your game account. You would have to somehow make the game not use your platinum when you bought something with it. You would have to trick the client and server into giving you the platinum reward and thinking the platinum was deducted from your total when it actually wasn't.

Do you happen to have an example of a game where the cash shop was hacked to support your claims of it being a valid risk?

Edited January 9, 2013 by MegatechBody

[DiBBz]

DiBBz whats your point ? If you don't like the free to play community why play a free to play game. Also why do you enjoy giving out money even for a close beta .. You don't know if warframe will be successful or not.

I would gladly support the game if they show trust ...

enjoy giving out money , wow only you , i was supporting this game from the momment i saw the trailer around 7 or so months ago

[AndersCy]

enjoy giving out money , wow only you , i was supporting this game from the momment i saw the trailer around 7 or so months ago

DiBBz I take it you are from the US? ... from what you said "enjoy giving out money" gave me a clue where you are from .. In my country at the moment it's a crisis ... So giving out money for no reason would be stupid thing to do

[MegatechBody]

enjoy giving out money , wow only you , i was supporting this game from the momment i saw the trailer around 7 or so months ago

Not everyone can budget in spending money in the game. Free players serve the important purpose of providing the paid players with someone to play with. Every free player may come into money later on and spend money on the game. They may product advertising and promotional materials or participate in the community through discussion or guides. Free players are a potential investment. I observed a community manager at another company who ended up getting fired for making some inflammatory comments toward free players and I suspect it was because upper management realized it was a bad idea to anger potential customers.

That said it's a good time to poke fun at anyone who complains about things that the developers have specifically stated are being fixed but haven't specifically stated what the fix is.

Everything isn't so black and white.

Edited January 9, 2013 by MegatechBody

[AndersCy]

For the record I chipped in $10 for some plat to buy pro on my weapons because I'm having fun with the game.

Well it's important to look at the individual game, the company producing it, the players using it, the behavior of those players. My point in all of this is to not be too hasty in praise or complaint. The developers specifically communicated they're addressing the pay to pro issue so it's silly to whine about it. That's the only message I really care about getting across. That and messing with certain posters that are easily provoked is kinda fun.

I'm guessing I agree with the posters arguing with me in that a combination of boosters, cosmetic items, and functional items should be available in the cash shop and the functional items should also be available by some in-game means. I just don't believe in the vast majority of cases that boosters and cosmetic items are enough.

Considering you can't buy platinum in-game I'm not sure how that works. I'm guessing adding platinum to a game account has nothing to do with game client to server communication. It's probably all encrypted web traffic that processes your transaction and then it send a query to the database that adds platinum to your game account. You would have to somehow make the game not use your platinum when you bought something with it. You would have to trick the client and server into giving you the platinum reward and thinking the platinum was deducted from your total when it actually wasn't.

Do you happen to have an example of a game where the cash shop was hacked to support your claims of it being a valid risk?

I thought you can buy it though the client .. never tried it really

[AndersCy]

Not everyone can budget in spending money in the game. Free players serve the important purpose of providing the paid players with someone to play with. Every free player may come into money later on and spend money on the game. They may product advertising and promotional materials or particiapte in the community through discussion or guides. Free players are a potential investment.

Everything isn't so black and white.

I agree with Megatech but I used to be a premium in other MMORPG's then stopped because I saw no point in it .. If it allows you to play the game for free I would just serve as a co op team mate to the platinum players .. Although they would probably prefer to play with other platinum players

[FreakD]

planetside 2

bad example :P I can't imagine farming for all the gear/skills there :P

[LionShard]

Who the hell started a new theard? We have an old one already https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/2131-pro-system-will-it-be-removed/