RoboDoge Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 First of all for all of those guys that just read the title and make comment based on that, THIS IS NOT "GIB FOUNDER ITEMS" THREAD! Back on topic. Lately i was playing some Forumframe and was active in that Aklato/Dual Skana Prime thread. This mess here: https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/241813-thoughts-on-releasing-the-aklato-prime-and-dual-skana-prime-please-be-civil-and-constructive/ So after i read some of comments from non-founders and Founders, i just thought to myself: "Where this community is going?" and "Was adding exclusive items good idea in the first place?" I remember back in the day, some 8-10 months ago when i was playing Warframe that i didnt even care about Founder Packages or exclusive items in the game. Nor did most of the community. People didnt care that much about shiny looking Excaliburs with shiny looking Skanas running around and doing ninja stuff. Times were peaceful and serene. Then Founder program was closed and PS4 version was introduced. I expected PS4 people to complain about not being able to participate in the program, but what was shocking to me that new surge of PC players was the vocal one on this issue. And they never stop even if DE is constantly saying that Founders will never come back. Well, what i am trying to say is: "Releasing exclusives might seem good rewarding policy for DE, but over time it shows that that policy is bringing more problems than it should". I never liked "Exclusive items" in games, simply because they make divide ( if not bad blood ) between people that have exclusives and people that dont have the same. Weapons and frames should never been exclusives in the first place, and instead should been skins. Giving mastery is an issue also. I know that mastery rank doesnt mean much ( nor am i concerned with the same ) but most of the exclusives complain threads are about mastery and not having enough weapons to reach max rank that is possible at the moment. Exclusives shouldnt give mastery in the first place and DE made mistake when they made them that way. Summary of everything: 1) Exclusive frames and weapons should not be in game 2) Only items exclusive should be skins 3) Exclusive items shouldnt give mastery points in the first place TL;DR DE did mistake when they introduced exclusive items that give mastery. Exclusives werent good in the long run because people that cannot have them will complain ( constantly ). Some using mastery, some using collection and some using whatever reason they have to request them. But in the end, its all greed. Also, i have every exclusive expect Founders and Closed Beta ( i dont miss them either ).
The_Lunatic_ Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 Or people could just learn that "No means no". I mean, there's nothing new about this concept. People just have to accept that some items are rewards for certain things. Be it Beta Testing, Events or Founding the game. You aren't entitled to these items if you didn't fill out the prerequisites.
Thirsty_Pickle Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 My god please no stop these stop these please Mods/Admins PLEASE
RoboDoge Posted June 11, 2014 Author Posted June 11, 2014 Oh God, another one of those topics... Or people could just learn that "No means no". I mean, there's nothing new about this concept. People just have to accept that some items are rewards for certain things. Be it Beta Testing, Events or Founding the game. You aren't entitled to these items if you didn't fill out the prerequisites. Good thing you both read the whole thing before commenting.
LatoObligato Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) I get that you made this topic with good intentions in mind, but to be totally honest, this will quickly escalate. Exclusives are a touchy subject; do I think the Founder's exclusives were the "wrong" thing to do? No. DE needed money, what better way to rake in the cash then introducing an exclusive warframe and two exclusive weapons? I look at it as a necessary evil. But honestly, yes, I agree that all future exclusives should be cosmetic only. More Proto-Armor-esque deals would be great. Edited June 11, 2014 by Nealybealy
The_Lunatic_ Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 Good thing you both read the whole thing before commenting. I did. And my response is "No, leave it as it is".
OniDax Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 In a perfect world, Founders would have been like Prime Access is now. But it's not. The only way to fix the situation would be to give the Founders a refund of some form, and then to release all the items in the same way Prime Access items are. But since DE won't do that (never re-releasing the items), it should just remain as is.
CovenCrafter Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) As someone with most exclusive weapons I can only say that not being around for Proto-excalibur is my one regret and I would give every single exclusive I have to get that delicious nostalgia-gear. Not that I'm asking for it to come back, mind you. Pretty neutral on the subject, leaning towards bringing them back as long all they are ALL brought back (Barring founders ofc) Edited June 11, 2014 by DecaSigma
RoboDoge Posted June 11, 2014 Author Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) I get that you made this topic with good intentions in mind, but to be totally honest, this will quickly escalate. Exclusives are a touchy subject; do I think the Founder's exclusives were the "wrong" thing to do? No. DE needed money, what better way to rake in the cash then introducing an exclusive warframe and two exclusive weapons? I look at it as a necessary evil. But honestly, yes, I agree that all future exclusives should be cosmetic only. More Proto-Armor-esque deals would be great. As someone with most exclusive weapons I can only say that not being around for Proto-excalibur is my one regret and I would give every single exclusive I have to get that delicious nostalgia-gear. Not that I'm asking ti to come back, mind you. Pretty nerutal on the subject, leaning towards briging them back as long all they are ALL brought back (Barring founders ofc) Proto skin was one of the best exclusives in game, not giving mastery and being purely cosmetic. And thats the way DE should be releasing them in the future. Edited June 11, 2014 by RoboDoge
VegetableBasket Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) I did. And my response is "No, leave it as it is". Obviously not, OP didn't even suggest to change anything. I have everything aside from the lato prime but still really dislike exclusives, they hurt the game and the community. Exclusive cosmetics are fine though. Edited June 11, 2014 by VegetableBasket
Implodingbanana Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 i agree exclusives should either stop or there should be less. i just wish the people crying about exclusive items and how they want them would just grow up -_- life is like this if you miss a chance then your screwed and if you cant handle that in game then how are yo holding up in life ? +9000 OP
vomder Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 1) Exclusive frames and weapons should not be in game 2) Only items exclusive should be skins I completely agree with these 2, but not the third.
Kazzamo Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 I honestly agree with all three of your closing points so take my upvote for what it's worth.
The_Lunatic_ Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 Obviously not, OP didn't even suggest to change anything. I have everything aside from the lato prime but still really dislike exclusives, they hurt the game and the community. Exclusive cosmetics are fine though. OP's point as followed. "Did DE make a mistake with exclusives." My answer. "No they did not. And I don't think they should do anything differently in future." Are we getting it now, or do I have to explain this even further?
Vorsches Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 Skins would be a interesting thing to try, but anytime something is exclusive, someone who is without it will want it. The warframe community has grown into a sense of entitlement it seems.
Moderius Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 Good thing you both read the whole thing before commenting. Your thread is exactly about what they're saying it is. Summary of everything: 1) Exclusive frames and weapons should not be in game You even called it the summary of everything you said. And then said exactly what people knew this thread would be about.
SignumCruxis Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 Warframe forums should be their own game. Call it Bawframe. 10/10
RoboDoge Posted June 11, 2014 Author Posted June 11, 2014 Your thread is exactly about what they're saying it is. You even called it the summary of everything you said. And then said exactly what people knew this thread would be about. I my whole forum life, i never did asked for Founder gear nor would i. Point of this thread is that DE made mistake in making exclusive items instead of skins in the first place. Not because i want some item, it is bad concept in the first place. Concept that will ruin community over the time.
Moderius Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 "Dear DE, I think it's unfair that players who have committed more time to this game have some things I don't. Signed, (this part is smeared with tears)" A tl;dr for the OP.
Moderius Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 I my whole forum life, i never did asked for Founder gear nor would i. Point of this thread is that DE made mistake in making exclusive items instead of skins in the first place. Yeah, instead of "give me these" it's "others shouldn't have these". A slightly different approach to the same "me first" line of thought.
The_Traitor_Executioner Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 Or people could just learn that "No means no". I mean, there's nothing new about this concept. People just have to accept that some items are rewards for certain things. Be it Beta Testing, Events or Founding the game. You aren't entitled to these items if you didn't fill out the prerequisites. You're acting even more entitled than they are. You know that, right?
Thirsty_Pickle Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 Accept the fact that we can't have them. I have, why can't you/everyone else?
RoboDoge Posted June 11, 2014 Author Posted June 11, 2014 Accept the fact that we can't have them. I have, why can't you/everyone else? I am not even asking..... Oh God.
Recommended Posts