Ced23Ric Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 -1 Care to elaborate? A one-sided "like" system is nigh-on meaningless because likes can accumulate over time, skewing the statistical relevance of a post.
Tauxi Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 Care to elaborate? A one-sided "like" system is nigh-on meaningless because likes can accumulate over time, skewing the statistical relevance of a post. Well how about a dislike? Damn... If this is actually going to be implemented with thumbs alongside the likes and dislikes it's going to look a lot like youtube.
CapricaSix Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 Care to elaborate? A one-sided "like" system is nigh-on meaningless because likes can accumulate over time, skewing the statistical relevance of a post. It's not meaningless, it's just more positive and I don't mean that literally, well... maybe I do... The point is, it's easy to abuse the +1/-1 rep system, I don't even want a "reputation system", it will just cause drama and will enable trolls as we've already discussed {right?} in that other thread. And what's the point of promoting or bashing the poster on his/her profile {with a rep-count} anyway, it should be all about the post, not about how super popular and admired/hated the poster is. If you don't disagree with a post, you should simply ignore it or express why you disagree, on the other hand agreeing with a post with the "like" can't really be abused unless you have fans or made multiple forum accounts just to support your own views, either way I don't see it causing drama or distress to anyone for simply being supported. Leaving a mere -1 without saying a word is like trolling almost, in my opinion, just as good as posting in that thread saying "No lol", which I just demonstrated on you earlier and possibly slightly annoyed you -but hopefully you got my point there :P Therefore "like", facebook style.
10twenty4 Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Ew, please no. This shouldn't become a Reddit or *shudder* youtube comment section.
CapricaSix Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Ew, please no. This shouldn't become a Reddit or *shudder* youtube comment section. That is exactly why I don't want a +1/-1 system, nice to know I'm not alone on this :P
Konnstruct Posted January 23, 2013 Author Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) And no one remembers my thread from a few weeks ago... https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/2444-agree-and-disagree-post-ratings/ I R SAD ;( Edited January 23, 2013 by FrydHamstr
Tauxi Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 And no one remembers my thread from a few weeks ago... https://forums.warfr...e-post-ratings/ I R SAD ;( Oops. I didn't see that - I have a tendency to not search up threads before posting them. With that said; feel free to flame my threads if it's a duplicate.
CapricaSix Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 And no one remembers my thread from a few weeks ago... https://forums.warfr...e-post-ratings/ I R SAD ;( It was a good thread, while it lasted :P Maybe we can get these threads merged?
Tauxi Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Sure can! MERGE in 3 2 1 Whew. Thanks, Rebecca.
10twenty4 Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Never make negative related buttons on people's posts. Seriously, it destroys forums and communities, used to frustrate, troll or otherwise upset someone. Just add a like button if you have too...just take a look at the War Z forums and why their rep system failed so badly. War Z is probably a bad example. A terrible scam of a game is gonna invariably lead to a bad/trollish community The thing is, having only a 'thumbs' up creates a hugbox. Sure it prevents some trolling, but I think a bit of negativity is a good thing, in moderation. Of course, a dislike button would allow trolling as well. The solution is clear: add nothing of the sort That is exactly why I don't want a +1/-1 system, nice to know I'm not alone on this :P +1
Karagera Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 No, reputation systems are stupid and cause nothing good to come out of them. Either the numbers become inflated with an only positive system, or people just start disliking people because they don't like their opinions. I don't want this to turn into Reddit, with echoing rooms of people agreeing with eachother because they're afraid to say something different. Your reputation should be by word of mouth, or post, not by what a number says about you. If anything it stays tied to the post, and isn't displayed anywhere other than the thread.
Expletive Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 I think this would be a good feature to add. Oftentimes, I want to post to agree with someone, but I don't because I don't want yet another topic clogging my content list.
Ced23Ric Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Yeah. Agree & Disagree Post Ratings. It's on this page of the Website/Forum Feedback section.
KuroiMajutsushi Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Upvotes would be cool and help keep threads more organized since people won't post unless they have something to add. Downvotes however, are not required. Imo downvote systems are pointless in every way possible. They don't add anything valuable to the system. Biggest example that comes to mind is the like/dislike system on youtube. Disliking a video does nothing to prove a point. If you don't like it, close the video and move on. In fact, it does the opposite of what you want to do, it pushes the video up in the search rankings. Same thing applies to the comment system. Most people will just click the "show comment" button on downvoted comments, just to see what was said. This is even less useful on forums since there are moderators that delete/move/edit bad things to begin with. Tl;dr: Polls and upvoting of comments is all that is required :3
Expletive Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) Downvotes however, are not required. I must say I disagree. Having only up votes would skew the apparent acceptance of a post toward the "accepted" side, especially for issues that are somewhat controversial. For example, let's say you had an idea that a large number of people agreed with, but an equally large number disagree with. Say the devs look at the threads with the most likes and implement one of them (Not that I'm saying they should be slaves to popular opinion, if anything they should be the opposite). If there were only upvotes, they'd see the thread had plenty of likes and throw it into a patch. When the patch comes out, sure, people will be happy, but if the implemented idea was one that was hotly contested, people will also be unhappy. So I really can not disagree with you more. Edited February 1, 2013 by Expletive
FirstToLast Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Keep your thumbs in your social networks. If you want to avoid clogging the topic up, don't post just to show your support.
KuroiMajutsushi Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 I must say I disagree. Having only up votes would skew the apparent acceptance of a post toward the "accepted" side, especially for issues that are somewhat controversial. For example, let's say you had an idea that a large number of people agreed with, but an equally large number disagree with. Say the devs look at the threads with the most likes and implement one of them (Not that I'm saying they should be slaves to popular opinion, if anything they should be the opposite). If there were only upvotes, they'd see the thread had plenty of likes and throw it into a patch. When the patch comes out, sure, people will be happy, but if the implemented idea was one that was hotly contested, people will also be unhappy. So I really can not disagree with you more. Hence the poll part at the end of my post. Popular idea? Put up a poll. Things posted by devs/mods generally get more attention to begin with. One should never just implement things based on limited statistics such as upvotes and downvotes to begin with. People can also just upvote a post by someone with the opposing idea if they don't like an idea, no need for an actual dislike system to accomplish this. This would (hopefully) also give people more incentive to post constructive criticism which then can be upvoted in turn. This would be much more useful imo. A 50/50 split is also quite rare. Plus you can't please everybody. Anything you do will anger somebody. Part of the entertainment business. Lastly, this topic was about up- and downvoting individual posts, not threads. Applying such an upvote system to threads would be bad for the reasons you stated. I'd rather have people actually read beyond the OP to upvote something. Which is why a top rated comment system would be nice (Thus upvoted only, since downvotes could just cancel it out even if it's a perfectly good idea with solid arguments). We can agree to disagree on this however. I just feel like an upvote only system for posts would be more useful and less prone to trolling. And sorry if the structure of this post is a mess/badly worded in places. Need sleep :P Keep your thumbs in your social networks. If you want to avoid clogging the topic up, don't post just to show your support. The first part of your post was uncalled for and unnecessary. You make a baseless assumption that the OP got this idea from social networks. There are plenty of examples of things that employ systems like this that aren't social networks. Such as Reddit, Youtube, the LoL forums and probably more that I can't think of right now/don't know about. Furthermore, you don't give any constructive feedback on why you think this is a bad idea. Only a snarky comment that adds nothing to the discussion. I do agree with your point that people shouldn't just post to show support, without stating why they agree/disagree. This is exactly why such a system would be useful. Cleans up the forums and allows people to support an idea at the same time. Win/win if you ask me.
Karagera Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) Not letting this place turn into Reddit, where people fear getting downvoted for having a different opinion. That's dumb, only promotes echoing rooms of people agreeing with eachother. That's not the proper environment for criticism and development. If you really agree with someone, help their argument, support it, don't just say "I lik dis :)" If you REALLY like it, you should play devil's advocate against it. Having a system that only goes up would support absolutely nothing. The developers would have a better time supporting something if the argument is well structured, and corners are covered. I could make a post that says "Cats should be implimented into the game" and I bet you all of my money people will "upvote" it and nothing will come of it. You can command a much better argument if you use your words to support it, rather than your tallies. Edited February 1, 2013 by Karagera
Windbow Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) I politely disagree. I think it'd be nice to be able to show support or not for a post without having to actually post. It does not mean that you only base it on up/down vote numbers. Sometimes a well-reasoned/thought out post may sound good but people might not actually support the idea itself. Edited February 1, 2013 by Windbow
Karagera Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 I politely disagree. I think it'd be nice to be able to show support or not for a post without having to actually post. But that shows you don't care enough to support the argument that "X or Y should be implimented" It shows you're just supportive enough to move your hand, not type your thoughts.
Windbow Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 But that shows you don't care enough to support the argument that "X or Y should be implimented" It shows you're just supportive enough to move your hand, not type your thoughts. So what? Sometimes I just want to register my support without saying anything more. Shouldn't that be my choice? As it is, I have to just post +1 which is not optimal for thread-length.
Karagera Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 So what? Sometimes I just want to register my support without saying anything more. Shouldn't that be my choice? As it is, I have to just post +1 which is not optimal for thread-length. Why not say why it's good? Say which parts you support, what could use ironing out, things that might conflict. Your idea will have exponentially larger support if it's defined by the number of people that put a collaborative effort into it, it shows the true dedication you're willing to put towards an idea. If I was a developer, and I saw a certain idea had multiple people working together to piece the perfect suggestion, I'd be much more willing to impliment it into my program.
Windbow Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not against posting more eloquent or thoughtful posts in support or in opposition of posts by others. Sometimes, a person may have said what I had in mind, perhaps even better than I could have worded it myself. Sometimes, it may be a witty, funny or silly post I'd like to show appreciation for. Sometimes you just want to register an agreement without another word. In such cases, a 'like' or '+1' would be sufficient. I don't really think a '-1' would be needed, imho, because If I felt strongly enough to register my disagreement, I'd post why. I think if you've seen my posts on the forums you'll see that I do indeed post more lengthy or detailed paragraphs when I feel that my thoughts or opinions have not been articulated by anyone else and that it might (imho) add to the discussion. It's not a large feature request. I've appreciated such a feature in other forums, notably, Firefall's and I miss being able to do the same here. Not all the time but there have been quite a few instances. Many times, I don't bother posting a +1 but sometimes I do, since this feature is missing. Wait... did you just troll me, Karagera? If so, well played. :P If not, I hope you understand where I'm coming from.
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