Noob Lokis As Loki Prime Have Been Making Me Palm My Face So Hard...

[Eyeless]

Title says it all. To sum it up guys, I've been seeing too many Lokis trying to go for Loki Prime that...should not be going for Loki Prime. 

 

I'm not saying we should restrict the player to what shinies they should try to obtain or anything, not at all, but...just...ugh. 

 

Let me explain:

 

 

See, when people get a Prime Warframe and use that Prime Warframe, when they pursue it so fanatically like some players do...I at least expect them to have some inkling or mastery on how to play the original.

To me Primes are the next step up after you've at least familiarized yourself with a frame's mechanics instead of just a blatant mastery grab.

 

I realize this isn't the case for many players on here, I'm just telling you all how I approach Prime obtainment. If I haven't gotten the original frame yet, I hold off on using the Prime version until I've learned how to effectively use the 'lesser' version to the best of my ability until I can do more than just pull my weight with that frame. 

 

Afterwards I feel that I've 'earned' the right to use the Primed version because to me it acts as a status symbol, a status symbol that says "Yo, I GOT this!" and so when I see a Primed Warframe spawn in next to me I usually on reflex expect a level of competency in that player with the Primed frame. 

 

This brings me to my most recent gripe... 

 

Most of the Loki Primes I've seen spawning in...have clearly not mastered the frame. They got him because he's new and looks cool and probably want to show off a bit....until I watch them get downed over and over, or never bother to use Radial Disarm when it's clearly what the squad needs as we get surrounded by Napalms... (instead that one Loki Prime ended up getting downed for the third time and my recently forma'd had to carry his slack for the rest of the run) 

 

Since two of Loki Prime's components are currently in T4 Defense and Survival Keys, lately if a slot is empty and my friends really want to, we end up fishing around recruiting to see if we can get a half decent Loki to dull the pain that comes with these high-damage ranged foes. 

 

What we get instead is some overzealous MR7 player who bum rushes the oncoming enemy traffic without even turning invisible, secondaries blazing away as they hack at the encroaching mobs...then they get knocked down, filled with holes, and die. Rinse and repeat for the next several waves until we just stop reviving him/her and continue on our mindless grinding. 

(Please note the mastery level of the Lokis I've met lately varies and I in no way hold any bias towards those of MR7 or beyond)

 

I sometimes ask "So uh, what're ya huntin for?" "loki prime. want him sooo bad lol." "Ahh..." 

 

-and then I sigh and shake my head. 

 

TL;DR

 

The introduction of Loki Prime seems to have lead to an influx of both Primed and Non-Primed Loki Players (who wish to obtain him) who are incredibly bad at this particular frame and because of how I view Prime Frames it makes me cringe and shake my head because watching these players is painful in some way.

 

Ever since Loki Prime has been released...I've had the misfortune of having to play with a lot of bad Lokis who are either wanting to obtain him or those who bought him and have no clue how to use him.

 

End-Rant. 

 

Thank you for your time, I just had to vent this out of my system.

 

My own Loki Prime will be ready to rank up tomorrow, I traded for the plat to have him rushed and everything and I'm looking forward to maxing him for late-game use, as I am quite the avid Loki Player. 

Edited June 15, 2014 by Hastur609

[Maleklum]

sadly tho, this goes for every WF released so far

[Torhque]

[PenutReaper]

You tried giving them advice?

Just drop little hints like "That looks like a brilliant spot to disarm, you going to take it? I don't want to have all the loki fun myself.", you can always just disarm yourself if they decide against it.

I appreciate the rant, I understand the feeling of watching people not getting the most out of a particular frame, however it doesn't annoy me when a player isn't skilled or experienced enough. It annoys me when that player could use the frame in a different way and have more fun.

Try to not look at an unexperienced loki as someone doing it wrong, try looking at them as someone that could be having more fun with a frame.

[Zareek]

Well then, aren't you the judgmental type....

 

As frustrating as it can be to play with someone inexperienced, I much rather try to understand and help them, rather than getting angry and backtalk them.

Edited June 15, 2014 by Zareek

[MonkJayn]

i don't think that's anything to do with Loki prime individually, but more just Loki players, i am yet to ever see a Loki being played anywhere near competently or not entirely selfishly to simply rush, and to be honest the primes are easier and cheaper to get than the non primed versions these days which heavily undervalues them. in general if i see a Loki fill the 4th spot on our team (often its 3 of us playing) i tend to sigh.

 

I am sure there's good Loki players out there, i am just yet to see one (i include myself in this as i frankly find him a lacklustre frame overall and im yet to not think id be doing better on Ash).

 

laters

 

Monk

 

oh and if forgot to add the worse players i ever come across seem to be the MR 15/16's as frankly it seems all they have ever done is rushed their frames and gear to 30 for mastery and moved on and im yet to come across one that seems to of actually properly maxed out their gear (potatoed + multiple forma) and know how to really play the game, sadly.

Edited June 15, 2014 by MonkJayn

[Somedude1000]

People should realize that Loki Prime is a good frame, but as with all other frames, only in the right hands, because just because your using one doesn't mean your invincible if your not managing his strengths and weaknesses properly

 

But that's just my opinion...

Godspeed though :D

[CY13ERPUNK]

its been said before, IF the primes are going to stay direct upgrades to their copied versions

 

THEN there needs to be requirements to their use

 

you should have to rank the base item to 30 before you can use the prime version, and/or more mastery rank locks for frames/weapons/gear/primes 

 

but of course this would screw with the founders/prime access packages right? nope, just make an exception if you purchase the prime gear with cash, paying customers get to play primes without the grind already, so nothing is really changing here, actually my proposed suggestions gives MORE incentive to buy the packages (not my original plan, but it just worked out that way)

 

viola, grinding f2p's have to earn they way up to the primes by using the replica versions first, paying players get to skip the grind

 

sadly this still means that there will be paying members who still present the problem that the OP presents, but there is really no way to avoid this, at least my ideas can help alleviate the phenomenon from a large chunk of the playerbase however

[Eyeless]

You tried giving them advice?

Just drop little hints like "That looks like a brilliant spot to disarm, you going to take it? I don't want to have all the loki fun myself.", you can always just disarm yourself if they decide against it.

I appreciate the rant, I understand the feeling of watching people not getting the most out of a particular frame, however it doesn't annoy me when a player isn't skilled or experienced enough. It annoys me when that player could use the frame in a different way and have more fun.

Try to not look at an unexperienced loki as someone doing it wrong, try looking at them as someone that could be having more fun with a frame.

 

That's the thing. I wouldn't sigh as hard at these encounters as I have been if these players had actually been open to or even remotely attentive to my advice. Be it my build suggestions, timing tips, and "Hey, have you tried going invisible until you're in a better position to use your 4? Oh...you didn't equip it? Alright then..." 

 

When I see players aren't at their best, I really do try to help, but there isn't much I can do when they don't listen and don't learn from what kept getting them downed in the first place.

 

With these recent players however, I'd so much as request that they stop running headlong into danger so my friends didn't have to leave the pod yet I'd either get entirely ignored or they'd go "ok." yet do it again...and again...and again...

 

Well then, aren't you the judgmental type....

 

As frustrating as it can be to play with someone inexperienced, I much rather try to understand and help them, rather than getting angry and backtalk them.

 

You're being a bit presumptuous here. I give every player I meet a chance, several actually, and not once have I ridiculed anyone in-game for how they play unless they're being bad sports. If they disagree with my playstyle or vice versa and there's no time to discuss it (often we're busy killing things) then I agree to disagree with them and simply request they stick with me so we can better help one another for the rest of our time in the mission. 

 

Despite my venting on here, I keep it to myself if I'm not with friends online and never directly insult them. You won't catch me saying "Hey man, you're a pretty bad Loki." Rather I'll say "Have you considered modding for a longer invisibility? It may help you until you can put a little more health on him, if you want I have a spare continuity if you need it."

Edited June 15, 2014 by Hastur609

[(PSN)CrimsonShinku]

it doesn't take having the original frame to know how to use it, just some knowledge of the game... and well, the wiki also helps a lot really, to this day i still see frosts snowglobing the pod on ODD while i am with my penta.

 

so don't blame poor loki prime.

[Donatello]

After playing loki as my first frame and then getting rid of him I felt that i should be able to use Loki Prime. But before i started playing with others i read better ways to play him (decoy mostly) and learned when to properly use radial disarm. Like Hastur said knowing how to use the frame would be good so that you aren't just a burden to the other players. Even though my Loki prime isn't max yet i can still hold my own in higher level missions. Why? because I read on the wiki how to play properly and not get downed every 20 seconds.

 

Maybe it's just me but all I do when I get a frame is at least know a little bit of how to play it by READING.

[Aercascade]

Make your recruiting requirements more specific and tell them why you are recruiting them. If they fail to do that they shouldn't have joined your group.

I may not be a mlg pro loki master 360 no scope player but...

It really isn't difficult for me to max out a loki and start using radial disarm where it is necessary Last night I had a similar experience where it was a Vauban, Nova, Loki and Nekros.

The Loki just didn't disarm enough, there was a lack of team efforts and it was disorganized for what we were trying to do. Nobody would stick to the plan it was really quite frustrating :|

Edited June 15, 2014 by Sutherland

[RespectTheInternet]

Make your recruiting requirements more specific and tell them why you are recruiting them. If they fail to do that they shouldn't have joined your group.

I may not be a mlg pro loki master 360 no scope player but...

It really isn't difficult for me to max out a loki and start using radial disarm where it is necessary Last night I had a similar experience where it was a Vauban, Nova, Loki and Nekros.

The Loki just didn't disarm enough, there was a lack of team efforts and it was disorganized for what we were trying to do. Nobody would stick to the plan it was really quite frustrating :|

Planning? What is that? Can you shoot it? Maybe you didn't forma it enough

[TheSIlent1]

I use to be good at playing Loki (i really enjoy him still) but the people out there slowly put me of playing him so i didn't play him for half a year and now im slowly getting use to playing him again . But with anything theres no point in trying to keep an noob away from a shiny new toy, even if its locked to there level they'll find away to spam there gear and level up, you just cant win.

 

Also people need to note that he is soft and to learn how to use invisibility and radial disarm.

[DAFIRE]

everyday i think more and more that i'm the only who uses loki properly O.o

[Aercascade]

Planning? What is that? Can you shoot it? Maybe you didn't forma it enough

 

It was the "Infinite Survival" some guy had an idea to try to pull off. Didn't go well.

[TheSIlent1]

Planning? What is that? Can you shoot it? Maybe you didn't forma it enough

 

I think you eat it.

[OriVerda]

The times I use one of my keys and recruit I always request that they take their time writing something meaningful like some qualifications.

I end up getting 5 rushed "inv" or "me" which I just click away followed by 6 lengthy messages of people who will contribute to my cause. 

 

My only regret is I can't take all six!

[OpusRelinque]

*shrug*

Same happend as Rhino Prime was released, all over the place dead Rhinos P cause they rushed brain off and got killed by the new arc traps and broken lights.

 

Now we have Loki Prime but i miss the old traps/lights :-(

[Eyeless]

Planning? What is that? Can you shoot it? Maybe you didn't forma it enough

 

It doesn't seem to take my forma. I've been trying all morning! WHAT DO WE DO?!