MadRez Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 in the past 2 days i made 8 survival T4 runs at 40min each. The result? 10 ember prime chassis bp 21 x 5 = 105 R5 cores 9 bo ornaments 3 boar p. stocks 10 forma bp 3 mag p. hekmets bp 2 frost p. systems bp 2 braton p. bp 1 glaive p. disc 3 frost p. hlemt bp now the question is: WHERE THE HOLY ****** IS MY LOKI HELMET? i mean, these drop table (referring to T4 keys) were made to adjust the dilution of prime rewards, but sincerly i don't think they solved the problem.....not at all. some of you will say: " ok but there must be something difficult in getting these stuffs" In my opinion the answer is: warframe will never ba a matter of "difficulty" ('cause we're not talking about a solo LASO Halo3 campaign), but a matter of how much time i'll have to waste and how much bored i'll become in making always the same thing to obtain these parts. And yet, in my opinion, i'm not completely wrong. Now, the people's judgement.
notionphil Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 warframe will never ba a matter of "difficulty"...but a matter of how much time i'll have to waste and how much bored i'll become in making always the same thing to obtain these parts. Truth. Only thing i can say is, make suggestions on how to add difficulty and tie drops to that. Proxy Wars will hopefully be a start.
_numbernin9 Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Got a Loki Prime helmet @ around 40m my first T4 key. Sold it for 100p...oh what a stupid move.
se05239 Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 It would be far better if DE would remove all duplicate prime gear from the drop tables and get those freaking fusion cores out while we are at it.
xethier Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 i used my spare fusion cores from running t4s, maxed out a spare serration, sold it. bought loki helm. that was my solution because i was sick to death of running t4s with players who aren't prepared for it, die at the 35 - 36 minute mark when the difficulty ramps and i wind up having to carry the pack for the last 4-5 minutes. it's frustrating. especially when you get there and get.... more r5 fusion cores. it appears that DE is going to reduce the difficulty to find those items once the next pack of primes makes it out. the orthos prime blades were very difficult to acquire until this patch, now they drop like candy. (i have 4 spare full orthos primes) - rhino prime chassis were incredibly difficult to find, i got two in a single t4s run. and one other during the course of my quest for loki's helm. if they're going to make the current prime items difficult to acquire to increase incentive to buy the prime access pack, so be it. i understand and even agree with that logic, as long as the difficult to find said items is reduced when the *next* prime items arrive.
Deckers Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Well, what do you want? Do you want DE to make a BP *poof* into your inventory?
MadRez Posted June 17, 2014 Author Posted June 17, 2014 if they're going to make the current prime items difficult to acquire to increase incentive to buy the prime access pack, so be it. i understand and even agree with that logic, as long as the difficult to find said items is reduced when the *next* prime items arrive. That makes sense...but, to be honest, if they really want to push people to buy prime access, why not add in it EXCLUSIVE stuff? like it was for founders program (exca prime)? I mean, they have 10000 ways to make people buy plat, if they want...but it seems they always find the worst.
Maou Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 what do you think I feel. . . a stupid t1s still wont drop me that friggin loki prime chassis. ~28ts1 runs and counting~ I mean cmon its just t1s@!@#D
MadRez Posted June 17, 2014 Author Posted June 17, 2014 Still think they have to redistribute the prime rewards among all the void keys...for the simple principle that there should't be prime items rarer than others. Otherwise, even within a single void mission rewards wouldn't be equally likely (as instead are).
Dr.Evergreen Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 I finally got all these bloody parts, Totally 200+ rounds of T4D for System 30 x 40min T1Ss for Chassis numerous 20min T4Ss for Helmet and boring 40+ runs of T2C At first I think I would be glad if I collect all these parts, but I'm not now. All is vanity and feeling blank. This is so damn f**king ridiculous.
xethier Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 That makes sense...but, to be honest, if they really want to push people to buy prime access, why not add in it EXCLUSIVE stuff? like it was for founders program (exca prime)? I mean, they have 10000 ways to make people buy plat, if they want...but it seems they always find the worst. they do add exclusive items. syandana, specific extractors, the new dangly bits for weapons (name escapes me) i would prefer that items that are specifically related to game-play remain able to be acquired through play. otherwise, the "ninja's play free" aspect... isn't. as for excalibur prime and the other founder exclusives. well, i like those exactly as they are. for those that took a chance early on in this game's development. (and you'll note that as a disciple i don't have them)
Phatose Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Question: Would you prefer it if DE made drop chances on new prime items better, but delayed they're release for 2 weeks after they were available through prime access?
TheAscendedOne Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Has nothing to do with dilution. It's all about how drops are weighted.
(PSN)Lord_Gremlin Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 So, they added a NEW tier of void and put OLD items in there, items that already had a place to drop... It is unacceptable. They should have used T4 for new primes only and filled the rest of the drop table for them with cores, forma and orokin cells until more primes are released.
Archistopheles Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Question: Would you prefer it if DE made drop chances on new prime items better, but delayed they're release for 2 weeks after they were available through prime access? 2 weeks would be cruel. 1 week would still be manipulative 3 days wouldn't make any difference 24 hours would make primes more trivial than clan tech.
xethier Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 the drop rates could be adjusted a bit more. but as for dilution... nothing is duplicated more than once at this point. removing the extra "junk" (o.cells etc) would be fine by me. the r5 core 5-packs are actually pretty nice. overall, the hotfix after the patch moved things in the correct direction. i'd like to see r5 cores removed from the "c" rotation and make that a guaranteed prime item drop. at this point, the only thing i think that needs to happen is the drop rate percentages for various items needs to be adjusted so that nothing is less than 15% or so. (perhaps 20%) to round out availability and reduce frustration. as i said before though, the "new" prime items being released can maintain their rarity until the next "new" items appear. this makes prime access purchases more enticing. (and they should be)
Dwagon Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) Get used to it or stop playing. Forgive me for how that "sounds" in text; I don't mean that in a condescending way, but a strictly pragmatic one. Grindwalls drive up the value of Platinum, especially when it's something highly anticipated/desired (Loki is a popular frame). Loki Prime Access retails for $50->$140 USD. HMM. I wonder when demand will be highest? Probably when it's new, or barring that if it gets buffed to become stupidly OP, etc. In any case, Loki Prime won't be in high demand if it's easy to get in the void. This is why the drop tables are skewed, and why every part but one is reasonably easy to get while the other is comparatively rare. Incidentally, I imagine the real reason DE encrypted the drop tables is to hide just how low some of those rates really are. (it took a considerable amount of time to get my Burston Prime and Boltor Prime parts even with an idealized setup. And I consider myself stupidly LUCKY to have gotten my Boltor Prime Blueprint drop on only the fourth T3 Mobile Defense mission that night) As this relates to Loki Prime, well, as long as whales continue to buy Prime Access packs, DE has all the incentive to avoid boosting the drop rate for us minnows. Until that changes, best you can do is shell out for Plat and trade, shell out more for a stupidly expensive access pack (I can buy three full games for the price of the LPA Disarm pack), or cope with the puny drop rate. Edited June 18, 2014 by Dwagon
Nemorac Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 Get used to it or stop playing. Forgive me for how that "sounds" in text; I don't mean that in a condescending way, but a strictly pragmatic one. Grindwalls drive up the value of Platinum, especially when it's something highly anticipated/desired (Loki is a popular frame). Loki Prime Access retails for $50->$140 USD. HMM. I wonder when demand will be highest? Probably when it's new, or barring that if it gets buffed to become stupidly OP, etc. In any case, Loki Prime won't be in high demand if it's easy to get in the void. This is why the drop tables are skewed, and why every part but one is reasonably easy to get while the other is comparatively rare. Incidentally, I imagine the real reason DE encrypted the drop tables is to hide just how low some of those rates really are. (it took a considerable amount of time to get my Burston Prime and Boltor Prime parts even with an idealized setup. And I consider myself stupidly LUCKY to have gotten my Boltor Prime Blueprint drop on only the fourth T3 Mobile Defense mission that night) As this relates to Loki Prime, well, as long as whales continue to buy Prime Access packs, DE has all the incentive to avoid boosting the drop rate for us minnows. Until that changes, best you can do is shell out for Plat and trade, shell out more for a stupidly expensive access pack (I can buy three full games for the price of the LPA Disarm pack), or cope with the puny drop rate. I understand the reasoning, but there is one little problem: DE had said at one point that they were striving to make the Void drop chances EVEN. That means that each and every part had an EQUAL chance of dropping. At one point, this may have even been true. But, since then that has not been the case, and we have not gotten an explanation or anything from them saying even a simple "sorry guys, but we have to skew the tables" or something along those lines. The players were told EQUAL drop rates at one point in time, and that was never said to not be the case, much as we the players have glaringly seen different.
-VS-AtLasVegas Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 Oh pls... 8 runs and you complain? Start complaining after 50-70 runs.
MadRez Posted June 18, 2014 Author Posted June 18, 2014 they do add exclusive items. syandana, specific extractors, the new dangly bits for weapons (name escapes me) i would prefer that items that are specifically related to game-play remain able to be acquired through play. otherwise, the "ninja's play free" aspect... isn't. Ah, come on, stuffs like syandanas and extractor can be considered exclusive for you? i'd call them a silly thief for how expensive (and useless) they are. As this relates to Loki Prime, well, as long as whales continue to buy Prime Access packs, DE has all the incentive to avoid boosting the drop rate for us minnows. Until that changes, best you can do is shell out for Plat and trade, shell out more for a stupidly expensive access pack (I can buy three full games for the price of the LPA Disarm pack), or cope with the puny drop rate. You got the point. I'll never understand people who throw mountains of money for what DE likes to call a "free to play" game. It's a buy to win...
xethier Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 Ah, come on, stuffs like syandanas and extractor can be considered exclusive for you? i'd call them a silly thief for how expensive (and useless) they are. You got the point. I'll never understand people who throw mountains of money for what DE likes to call a "free to play" game. It's a buy to win... regardless of if they're worth it to you, they *are* exclusive to the prime access pack. personally, i wouldn't bother. i've spent a whopping $30 on this game. to your second point... there is nothing about this game that qualifies as "pay to win" or "buy to win" -- you can acquire everything in the game with patience. and honestly, not that much of it. i've played many MANY games that require far more effort for top-tier items. and those were sub-based. (asheron's call springs to mind) yes, the drop rates are rotten. but with very little effort, i've already acquired loki prime, all but the handle for bo prime and i haven't actually tried for any of wyrm's pieces yet. but overall i can't complain. and in the process, DE has made acquiring MANY other items far easier than they were before. (orthos prime, rhino prime, ember prime, and that's just what i've seen running the missions only looking for loki and bo parts) i agree that the drop rates suck. but if this shift is any indication, as soon as the next prime access pack becomes available, the current "rare" prime items will shift to better drop rates as the new stuff shows up. again, patience.
Dwagon Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 I understand the reasoning, but there is one little problem: DE had said at one point that they were striving to make the Void drop chances EVEN. While that is certainly damning if true, I'd like a source on that claim.
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