Warframe Players Sometimes Forget To Be "lucky"

[Otakuwolf]

Something i realized today is that many Warframe players often forget to be "lucky" compared to those playing most of the other online "free to play" games.

 

I know that Grindwalls and horrendous RNG are very frustrating game mechanics, but did many of you take a look about what is happening in the other F2P online games in the meanwhile ?

 

Most (if not all) of the other online games lock a big chunk of theyr features behind paywalls, the keys cannot be dropped nor obtained in any other different way than paying with real money (or can be obtained without paying but it's worthless), the balancement has been trown out of the window since the very beginning on purpouse to make people spend more money on the "better" stuff, even the most simple updates take not less than three weeks just for a simple bugfix on a single item, and the list of the problems can go on for a while.

 

I played (and still play) many other "Free to play" and "Pay once play forever" online games, and belive me if i say that except Warframe (and Smite) everything else is a mess of greedy milk, and that's why i say that whoever play and love this game as much as I do can consider himself "one very lucky player", even when the RNG doesen't smile upon him.

 

Again, i understand that grinding and bad RNG are frustrating, i play this game too after all so i know what it means to look for something only to find another piece of the same item you already found 10 times so far, but we are still relatively lucky compared to many other players that instead of dealing with grindwalls (that although annoying just require time) have to pick up theyr wallets to get any "extra" feature outside the most basic ones, or even worse, to get anything of the new content at every update.

 

Next time somebody feels like complaining and ranting at Warframe about grinding and RNG, that should think about the other online games and how it feels like to pick up the wallet and spend real money instead.

[-CM-Tiffany]

The not so mighty quest of subpar loot!

 

*Gigglegiggle*

 

YES.

Edited June 19, 2014 by -CM-Tiffany

[unknow99]

Relatively lucky for sure, but you're taking the worst examples too...

 

It could have been worse,you're right, but it sure can be better.

[CapedBaldy]

Path of Exile, 6 link chest, Go!

[Frostosti]

why is it so hard for everyone to type a book instead of 3 sentences to say what they want to say.

i find that more annoying than the grind in the game. Grind gives a sense of accomplishment and if you get the item you are happy.

if it is easy to get, and you get it, you arae like, "ok, what is next?"

[kscott190]

why is it so hard for everyone to type a book instead of 3 sentences to say what they want to say.

i find that more annoying than the grind in the game. Grind gives a sense of accomplishment and if you get the item you are happy.

if it is easy to get, and you get it, you arae like, "ok, what is next?"

But grinding in this game is done all wrong

Take Vay Hek for example, you have to fight countless prosecutors for beacons with the delta being the rarest and hardest to get, then have to wait an hourfor the key to finish being built and then hope the the part you need for Hydroid drops from him if you manage to beat him

[DoomsDayDan]

You guys, it's okay if a game is bad because there are worse games out there

 

Not saying that Warframe is bad, but 'there are games with worse grind' is poor justification for the current levels and dimensions of grind

[Frostosti]

not just "a game", almost all f2p games are worse.

[Shezo]

It's not about luck, it's a business decision.

If it would as grindy as korean stuff, WF wouldn't popular on the western market.

[(PSN)Budukai_Man]

I remember in a podcast TB put this game in a tier 2 category of F2P. A mixer of purchases, cosmetics, and boosters. No pay wall unless you count the grind. I admit the business model is fair in the of since time vs money. They just need to figure our this grind issue, how much grinding is enough grinding.

[iNsaNitySOZ]

I'm on your team. The RNG on Warframe is very decent. We need those hard to get items, because once you have them, you get a real sense of satisfaction, but not too many items you know?

It's hard to admit, Warframe used to have a great community, but currently it is the most unpleasant and bitterly ungrateful community I have yet to be part of. Nothing will ever be good enough.

[kscott190]

I'm on your team. The RNG on Warframe is very decent. We need those hard to get items, because once you have them, you get a real sense of satisfaction, but not too many items you know?

It's hard to admit, Warframe used to have a great community, but currently it is the most unpleasant and bitterly ungrateful community I have yet to be part of. Nothing will ever be good enough.

It's that way because DE made it that way

[Mastikator2]

[Dogoframe]

I'm on your team. The RNG on Warframe is very decent. We need those hard to get items, because once you have them, you get a real sense of satisfaction, but not too many items you know?

It's hard to admit, Warframe used to have a great community, but currently it is the most unpleasant and bitterly ungrateful community I have yet to be part of. Nothing will ever be good enough.

 

That is a contradiction. Every single "droppable" in Warframe is either controlled by RNG (in the case of resources, keys, some MODs, etc) or fixed, weighted percentages (Prime parts, rare MODs).

 

If anything amazes me the most in Warframe is the amount of people who judge its quality by "there are worse games". In that regard, watch this, and I guarantee that it will solve all your problems in Warframe:

 

[CrazyCatLad]

I'm a huge Spiral Knights fan.  It used to be locked behind an energy system (use energy to play which takes a while to regenerate).  That was annoying but I remained F2P. 

 

Then they got rid of it.

 

But now the game is stalled.  They've released dozens and dozens of accessories for your Knight but haven't released a new, permanent monster or boss to fight  in ages.  Plus, a big update has been delayed since November.

 

Little RNG in the game though (except for accessories)

 

 

THEY DO HAVE A TOKEN SYSTEM THOUGH <3

Edited June 19, 2014 by Lanieu

[SlapClown]

IDK I came over from a game that drop rate was so bad that if your lucky you can get a rare drop  one per month and the ultra rare stuff the drop rate is so low you never get a the drop or  if you did it could be over a year and the gold bots don't help when your trying to buy the drops ..

 

The devs knew this  well and put in a token system and if ran all the raids for token every day and you was only could get 12 per day it still took you 3 months to get buy  the drop with tokens .

But wait you need a rare drop for each part of your armor so that is 5 there and one for your weapon ..best part of upgrading your weapon is it can blow up adding scrolls for just trying to enhance the weapon for more power+speed 

12-72 hr some times for updates to deploy  average 6-8 hr on a good day..

 

 

They had a  player passwords stolen and it was found out after over a year the whole time they would blame the player for giving out passwords or " you must to went to a bad site and got a virus ".To this day they never would admit they was wrong...One of there  employees was busted selling in game money  for real money ....    

 

So in short DE has a good thing here and has Spoiled us all  with a great game and most important they been really good with treatment to players..

 

TO DE

 

 

 

[Cinderain]

Grinding in this game is poo.

[Wiegraf]

why is it so hard for everyone to type a book instead of 3 sentences to say what they want to say.

i find that more annoying than the grind in the game. Grind gives a sense of accomplishment and if you get the item you are happy.

if it is easy to get, and you get it, you arae like, "ok, what is next?"

 

For the same reason it takes some people 10, 20 or 50 runs to get what blueprint or part they want : an exercise in repetition or constantly trying to refine the process with more and more so the whole of it becomes clearer.

Edited June 19, 2014 by Wiegraf

[gnat6]

That is a contradiction. Every single "droppable" in Warframe is either controlled by RNG (in the case of resources, keys, some MODs, etc) or fixed, weighted percentages (Prime parts, rare MODs).

 

If anything amazes me the most in Warframe is the amount of people who judge its quality by "there are worse games". In that regard, watch this, and I guarantee that it will solve all your problems in Warframe:

 

The game in that video was so bad that it broke the fabric of reality and became amazing and then kept going until it became terrible again.

[Shehriazad]

I'm sorry but you're including Path of Exile in "a mess of Greedy milk"....a game that literally has never and will never sell you any advantage in their cash store whatsoever.


Your problem that you only played S#&$ty f2p games and now think WF shines in comparison...but there are actually a lot of F2P games out there that aren't a pile of unfair RNG and no content to speak of.

The only reason I stick to WF for now is because they laid open their plans...and they seem solid enough to invest my time...+ I occasionally get to have some fun.

Edited June 19, 2014 by Shehriazad

[Shehriazad]

Path of Exile, 6 link chest, Go!

A Path of Exile 6 Link chest is not considered a normal item...it is considered a legendary luxury. And to anyone playing PoE for a while it is still something very obtainable.

Those 6 Link items in PoE were added for the person that has to be an absolute perfectionist about things and certain builds...but quite honestly it does not compare to Warframe in any way....where every item is a total grind...no matter if that's worth it or not. 

In PoE you get Uniques and Strong Rares all the time and the lack of real money in the trading system makes it fair for everyone.

 

(Let's not forget in PoE you are not bound to running the same mission 500 times to get a Loki helmet...you just play a wide array of maps until you get the item, or stuff of equal value (which WILL happen) and then just trade.)

Edited June 19, 2014 by Shehriazad

[DoomFruit]

This isn't grind. Grind implies actual countable progress with each mission. What we have here in Warframe is just frustration at getting crap each and every time we run a mission. If you want an F2P game with grind, but progress, try Planetside 2. 1000 cert weapons can take a long time to get, but you see that counter tick up every time you kill someone, fix a tank or hand out ammo (the frustration here comes from aircraft, which kill you with nothing you can do to kill them back).

 

And if I want to feel "lucky", I can pull up another game. Yes, there are worse RNG-fests than Warframe, but there are also much better ones available. I'm not going to do something that sucks simply because there are things that suck more.

 

For reference, I haven't touched Warframe since update 13.7. Unless the void reward tables get cleaned up completely (no duplicate prime stuff or BPs, no insults like fusion cores or keys, equal probability distribution for all items) and other RNG-walls get cut down (Hek, in particular), I won't be coming back again. I have better, less frustrating, more enjoyable things to do with my time.

[unknow99]

That is a contradiction. Every single "droppable" in Warframe is either controlled by RNG (in the case of resources, keys, some MODs, etc) or fixed, weighted percentages (Prime parts, rare MODs).

 

If anything amazes me the most in Warframe is the amount of people who judge its quality by "there are worse games". In that regard, watch this, and I guarantee that it will solve all your problems in Warframe:

 

 

 

I have to play this game now...

[NoeleVeerod]

- snip -

 

I think I agree with your opinion. Warframe still has unused potential, but what you wrote is right.

[-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS-]

We've come too far to give up who we are

So let's raise the bar and our cups to the stars

 

She's up all night to the sun

I'm up all night to get some

She's up all night for good fun

I'm up all night to get lucky

 

We're up all night to the sun

We're up all night to get some

We're up all night for good fun

We're up all night to get lucky

 

We're up all night to get lucky

We're up all night to get lucky

We're up all night to get lucky

We're up all night to get lucky