Concerns About Alad V

[Khunvyel]

I had this floating in my head ever since the mini-event with the bunch of alerts showing an Alad V who got himself a biotic pimp on his left side. I should have posted this sooner but now I saw what 13.8 has in store for us, I grew more worried than happy, and here is why:

 

Vay Hek has been basically removed from the starmap, leaving the earth Boss node flat. This made Oberon an orphan and broke with the flow of the progressive gameplay right on the third planet, which I don't think is beneficial for the new player experience.

 

Now with Alad V's physical changes, it is only a matter of time until he is removed from Jupiter because his new form doesn't fit the context of the fight any more, so I fear for Jupiter becoming the next orphaned planet. Perhaps Eris (or wherever the infested tileset will be) will get a boss back later on, J3 maybe, so that would be a new opportunity to place a Warframe... but it still beckons the question what will happen to Valkyr once Jupiter gets orphaned. This would require an additional Corpus boss be placed right on Themisto once Alad V moves out because Valkyr really fits well where she is.

 

I'm not saying "DE you didn't think this through". No, I'm far from saying that. I'm just concerned that we lose another boss node - either now or later - and have another Warframe be either orphaned like Oberon or being placed behind a RNG wall like Hydroid, who is completely out of proportion compared to Zephyr and Nekros. The other long-time Orphan named Vauban hopefully finds his home in the Tenno research lab or something the like.

 

I hope we won't see another Oberon/Hydroid scenario. I really, really do.

C'mere Valkyr, get some hugs just in case :(

[DoomsDayDan]

It seems like a waste for them to put all this effort into making a unique boss fight and then replacing it later on, maybe they'll leave the current Alad V fight and have Rotten Salad somewhere else in the starmap, continuity be damned

[OniDax]

I'm expecting this to be locked behind some grindwall, where we have to farm special coordinates to get to the new J3 Golem/tileset. Same with any other boss rework. But I'm not expecting to fight "Rotten Salad". Just J3 Golem.

Edited June 19, 2014 by AntoineFlemming

[Ravyel]

I don't think Alad V is going to be removed from Jupiter, I mean all he's said more or less supports the notion that his infestation happened after Jupiter/Gradivus/the Hunt event so I think he'll be staying where he is.

 

DE will probably do the same thing they did with Vor and infested Alad somewhere else (the infested corpus ship tile).

[Zarlockk]

I dont think it will come down to that. I would say (WARNING: my own prediction) Alad V lost control in his research and turned into mindless infested boss or infestation took control of him and uses him as life source creating a totally new boss/mini-boss. Therefore Valkyr will remain with standard Alad on Jupiter. Scenario 2 would be New player gets to Jupiter fights him. As he progresses to new planets he finds out that Alad V survived and did research on infested to have his revenge but something went wrong. So it can be either this way making us able to have standard Alad on Jupiter with Valkyr

Edited June 19, 2014 by Zarlockk

[Auramaru]

How many orphan frames are there? Banshee, Zephyr, Volt, Oberon, Vauban?  Soon to be Valkyr?

 

6?

 

If it's 6, then DE isn't worried about frames being "orphaned".  Plus, I think the variety of acquisition is interesting.  Maybe some new player just spent 6 runs getting rhino pieces, but got a random Oberon piece.  Gives them a RNG-sense-of-direction! :P

[MDRLOz]

Captin Vor is now in a boss in three separate locations in two different forms. He does not make sense from a timeline or plot point of view right now. However he has not been changed. 

 

Alad V will remain on Jupiter, he was only reworked later 2013 and is fine where he is. Once we see the new form of Alad we might not even recognise him at all. 

 

A better question is why do DE not come up with more corpus bosses instead of just reusing the old stuff? We could have had a new corpus boss who has his resources stolen by Alad V and then blames us for forcing Alad for being so aggressive. Instead Alad is reused and corpus still lack personality. 

[Khunvyel]

As I suggested for J3, I wouldn't mind using the 1000+ Nav coordinates I have plenty of being used for something different. Nekros wasn't a grindwall, because there are two other good reasons to go for Derelicts when you ignore Nekros.

I wouldn't mind having a different blueprint using current Nav Coordinates for "Infested ship". Another Nekros in terms of acquisition wouldn't bother me at all, that was totally fine. It was a linear progression without RNG.

 

In terms of Jupiter, Vor and continuity;

I'm still disappointed that we don't get any heads up from Lotus when we make our way through Phobos. Vor just happens to be there. I would hope Vor gets the new model with the swirly energy on the belly on Iliad, and Lotus gives new information.

For Alad V on Jupiter, I hope he stays there and after the fight Lotus says how Alad V has been seen to flee towards [Region name]. Once the player moves to this region, Lotus should mention on the starmap overlay how reports have been coming in, saying that Alad V has dabbled in biotics and messed around with infested.

[BabyKurama]

I think that it will be 2 different versions of Salad V like it is with Cap Vor

[(PSN)Nighthawk_0430]

I'm pretty sure they won't remove him from Jupiter. Alas V created Valkyr (essentially), those 2 are inextricably linked. You can't have 1 without the other. Plus, infested Alad makes refrences in the Suspicious Shipment alerts about rumors of him being dead 'greatly exaggerated', and that he knows how many lives he has left. The lore is there to keep him on Jupiter, then for him to show back up on Eris

[Warriorrogue]

Why is Vor still on Mercury, and Phobos(Hopefully another boss there, though lower priority IMO), then?

They won't remove him.

[Khunvyel]

How many orphan frames are there? Banshee, Zephyr, Volt, Oberon, Vauban?  Soon to be Valkyr?

 

6?

no, only 2. Oberon and Vauban. Banshee, Zephyr and Volt are acquired through Dojo research. That is definitely better than alert RNG. Dojo research guarantees you a direct way to acquire them.

Edited June 19, 2014 by Khunvyel

[BabyKurama]

Why is Vor still on Mercury, and Phobos(Hopefully another boss there, though lower priority IMO), then?

They won't remove him.

Don't forget the Void^^

[Warriorrogue]

Don't forget the Void^^

That's what I was talking about

If HalfVor's in the void, why is he still on mercury+phobos.

[Casardis]

My guess is that when you play the eventual quest missions in U14, the continuity will be organized in a way to make more sense. That way, new players won't end up fighting Moldy Salad before regular Salad.

If that's the case, we won't lose Salad boss node. I just hope the new tile isn't behind a grind wall after the hypothetical event.

Edited June 19, 2014 by Casardis

[NearlyDedicated]

My guess is he'll be blocked by an RNG wall, probably on Sedna or Europa.

[Casardis]

My guess is he'll be blocked by an RNG wall, probably on Sedna or Europa.

I want to hope that he returns in Eris instead through "the hunt for Alad VI" event to unlock all nodes into the new infested one.

[Khunvyel]

It would be damn amazing though if we get an entirely new region all of a sudden like "BOOM SURPRISE PRICE!"

[(PSN)Pengu_Imperialus]

Alternatively, Zanuka stays where she is, J3 comes back to the map, and Alad continues his mutation elsewhere behind a grind wall for future material.

[Beas7ie]

It would be damn amazing though if we get an entirely new region all of a sudden like "BOOM SURPRISE PRICE!"

 

And then it's locked behind the most massive of grindwalls in that you need special beacons or keys to get to them and you can only get to those by playing another mission type that can only be unlocked by special keys earned from high level interception missions.

[Kaotyke]

Vor on Mercury and then on the Void  MAKES SENSE people!!!

 

In Mercury, the new player CAN'T get a T4 keys unless they are invited by a friend that is more advanced and HAS it!!

They kill Vor in Mercury, and when they go to a T4 Void they meet Corrupted Vor!! That is a continuity that makes sense!

 

Vor and Krill on Phobos HAVE to be placeholders.

 

Edit:

 

Salad V and Rotten Salad would make sense if DE makes so you can access the Location/Planet were the Rotten Salad is AFTER you kill Salad V.

 

You know? Like you can only go to Neptune if you kill Ty Regor in Uranus, or kill Ruk to go to Sedna?

Edited June 19, 2014 by Kao-Snake

[immolator1001]

Well g3 is coming to eris.

[Warriorrogue]

I want to hope that he returns in Eris instead through "the hunt for Alad VI" event to unlock all nodes into the new infested one.

Well, they said infested are going back to eris.

So, I would lean towards J3 being a boss there.

[OniDax]

Vor on Mercury and then on the Void  MAKES SENSE people!!!

 

In Mercury, the new player CAN'T get a T4 keys unless they are invited by a friend that is more advanced and HAS it!!

They kill Vor in Mercury, and when they go to a T4 Void they meet Corrupted Vor!! That is a continuity that makes sense!

 

Vor and Krill on Phobos HAVE to be placeholders.

 

Edit:

 

Salad V and Rotten Salad would make sense if DE makes so you can access the Location/Planet were the Rotten Salad is AFTER you kill Salad V.

 

You know? Like you can only go to Neptune if you kill Ty Regor in Uranus, or kill Ruk to go to Sedna?

 

But Vor doesn't match the Mercury Captain Vor. He matches the Vor from the Call, which dies during the tutorial mission/tileset, not like Mercury. So they should change Tolstoj to match that. It'd be fitting too. Vor holes up in some old Orokin place, like in the tutorial. You go there and kill him. But right now, Mercury doesn't match either.

[Kaotyke]

But Vor doesn't match the Mercury Captain Vor. He matches the Vor from the Call, which dies during the tutorial mission/tileset, not like Mercury. So they should change Tolstoj to match that. It'd be fitting too. Vor holes up in some old Orokin place, like in the tutorial. You go there and kill him. But right now, Mercury doesn't match either.

Play the Tutorial, watch "The Call" trailer, WHO kills Vor? The just awakened Tenno (The new player).

Nyx, Ash and Frost damage and disable him, the new Tenno is the one that deals the killing blow.

In the Tutorial, we are defeated, so who is to say Nyx, Ash and Frost failed to kill him and he escapes and we got our rematch on Toltoj and kill him?

Watch the Trailer, WHAT revives Vor? The Void? No. His Void Key? Yes.

We have our own keys and we use them to get to the Void, who is to say Vor didnt do the same and just stayed there after his revival?

 

Mercury description says that "The only remaining Orokin Towers are hidden there" So Mercury DOES match.

 

Why the Trailer shows a Snow world in MERCURY....... DE logic.