June 20Th: Community Hot Topics!

[[DE]Drew]

The Community Hot Topics is on hiatus for this week for several reasons:

 

1) The Devstream covered many of the important topics. 

2) We were late posting last week, and we are stretched for time again this week. 

3) We are working on a new format for the Community Hot Topics.

 

To expand on that last point, we are looking into ways to improve the Community Hot Topics. Selecting topics to include is often difficult because different players have different priorities. There are normally only a few topics that all players agree on, especially when we have to consider both PS4 and PC players. Also, the Devstreams always have the real “meat and potatoes” when it comes to answering big questions. The Hot Topics often preface the questions in a Devstream, and the streams provide more thorough responses.  

 

With that in mind, we’d like to improve the weekly Community Hot Topics to make them more unique and valuable to all of you. We could devote more time to spotlighting popular community ideas and submissions (Got a cool idea that lots of people love? Maybe we should spotlight it.). We could try to cover more topics that aren’t likely to be discussed in the Devstreams. We could continue to do what we are doing now with only minor changes, or we could do something completely different. 

 

If you have some fun and interesting ways to improve the Community Hot Topics, please post them or send me a private message. Otherwise, stay tuned for the next Community Hot Topics!

[MechaKnight]

A Community Hot Topics overhaul? Interesting. I was just reading this thread over here for a Community Hot Topics overhaul where players can be more involved. You can see it in the link below:

 

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/247679-community-hot-topics-run-it-as-a-vote/#entry2873317

Edited June 20, 2014 by MechaKnight

[(PSN)StoneRevolver]

Edit; Invalid.

Edited June 21, 2014 by (PS4)StoneRevolver

[-Krux-]

Community Hot Topics 2.0

[Siege__]

Thanks for reconsidering the layout & content by building upon last week's suggestions, proof that Warframe is always improving. I guess you could have one post from each point of view, such as one for Prototypes, one for Suggestions & Improvements, one for etc, etc.

[DaftMeat]

Write a script to generate a list by checking the feedback forum for upvotes. The topics with the most upvotes each week are more likely the feedback/suggestions that a majority of players are interested in having addressed.

[DavidSPD]

Said it before and I'll say it again: we need separate hot topic threads for PC and PS4. They have their own forum section, why not make two threads that detail what PS4 and PC players are talking about, respectively?

 

It makes little sense to clutter up PC hot topics with things that are a month old because PS4 players are behind on content, and most of their questions up to this point are, "When do we get feature x or y?" "When are you going to optimize section/map x/y?" Which are completely irrelevant to PC players.

 

Because these questions are irrelevant to PC players, what ends up happening is a dev answers or addresses these questions and puts them together with PC Hot topic threads and takes out a chunk of what could otherwise be something important for PC players to know.

 

If DE stays on top of PC discussions and concerns then PS4 players will eventually reap the benefits as well. Not saying focus less on PS4, but I AM saying DE needs to make use of the separate forums they've created and give the info where it's needed/wanted.

 

And before someone quotes me and says, "That'll be too much work." my response to that is, "They put the effort into supporting consoles, now they should put together a team to properly stay on top of what the console players are talking about. They should commit to their decisions and keep things clean and tidy."

Edited June 21, 2014 by DavidSPD

[Casardis]

Thank you Drew.

 

May you and the team rest well this weekend!

[KrAyZy]

I think tentative release dates on certain things on the queue would help keep players out of the dark.

[Cinematic_30FPS]

You could do away with Community Hot Topics entirely, and instead reply directly to the relevant forum thread/s. That way people would only have to see the replies for the topics that they are interested in. It would also make the discussion easier to follow by allowing existing posts to provide context for a particular topic, and by making follow-up discussions easier to read by keeping them in their own thread.

[Phobose]

A Community Hot Topics overhaul? Interesting. I was just reading this thread over here for a Community Hot Topics overhaul where players can be more involved. You can see it in the link below:

 

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/247679-community-hot-topics-run-it-as-a-vote/#entry2873317

 

 

That idea is a bad idea to be brutally honest. 

 

I've seen plenty of problems/good suggestions that make sense not get upvoted thus staying "Cold" being lost entirely until someone else attempts it and either get upvoted or lost again.

 

The problem is that its currently hit or miss for community moderators and staff member to find these un-noticed threads so they can get addressed aswell, unless you bring it up to Megan or Rebecca yourself and see if  they render it important or not.

 

Hot or Cold topics still need to be addressed. People genuinely just leave bits and pieces that need to get picked up aswell, leaving well.. People like me to fail miserably lol

Edited June 21, 2014 by Phobose

[Beasy63]

Said it before and I'll say it again: we need separate hot topic threads for PC and PS4. They have their own forum section, why not make two threads that detail what PS4 and PC players are talking about, respectively?

 

It makes little sense to clutter up PC hot topics with things that are a month old because PS4 players are behind on content, and most of their questions up to this point are, "When do we get feature x or y?" "When are you going to optimize section/map x/y?" Which are completely irrelevant to PC players.

 

Because these questions are irrelevant to PC players, what ends up happening is a dev answers or addresses these questions and puts them together with PC Hot topic threads and takes out a chunk of what could otherwise be something important for PC players to know.

 

If DE stays on top of PC discussions and concerns then PS4 players will eventually reap the benefits as well. Not saying focus less on PS4, but I AM saying DE needs to make use of the separate forums they've created and give the info where it's needed/wanted.

 

And before someone quotes me and says, "That'll be too much work." my response to that is, "They put the effort into supporting consoles, now they should put together a team to properly stay on top of what the console players are talking about. They should commit to their decisions and keep things clean and tidy."

Like he said we do need separate hot topics for pc and ps4 simply because topics that matter to us might not for them and vice versa. It also takes up space for our hot topics. Maybe have ideas that were the most upvoted during the week included in hot topics. Or even hold a poll the day before to see which topics should be addressed in the next hot topic.

[MechaKnight]

That idea is a bad idea to be brutally honest. 

 

I've seen plenty of problems/good suggestions that make sense not get upvoted thus staying "Cold" being lost entirely until someone else attempts it and either get upvoted or lost again.

 

The problem is that its currently hit or miss for community moderators and staff member to find these un-noticed threads so they can get addressed aswell, unless you bring it up to Megan or Rebecca yourself and see if  they render it important or not.

 

Hot or Cold topics still need to be addressed. People genuinely just leave bits and pieces that need to get picked up aswell, leaving well.. People like me to fail miserably lol

I wasn't 100% in agreement with the thread either, but any way to get the community voice onto the radar is better than none. The thread only focused on popular topics. Sure that's good, but there are important topics that currently do not get attention in the community. Likely when the need becomes increasingly urgent to abysmal levels, people would eventually consider bringing these topics to light. I understand what you're saying, staff can't find these cold topics. Is there a solution to this problem besides emailing community staff?

Edited June 22, 2014 by MechaKnight

[Yaerion]

I just post to say some things and to be able to follow this thread and collect feedbacks/ideas by myself, also.
I'm actively supporting the Hot Topics 2.0 in the moderators' Section.
I will consider and try to include the best suggestions into my efforts in this project.
Note that i speak for myself and nothing is settled yet.
Thus, to begin with:

@MechaKnight: answered in the thread.
@DaftMeat: the number of upvotes shouldn't (aren't and won't) be the only criteria when selecting Hot Topics. But it should definitively be taken into account into the Hot Topics 2.0! I don't know if a script will be necessary, but the criteria is somewhere on the top of the list. ^^
@DavidSPD: this idea was a concern already raised by Drew, and I'm highly favorable to this. I already suggested ideas to allow the 2 (and soon 3) communities to submit their own specific Hot Topics. We didn't speak about separate final Hot Topics, but rather the right for the communities to "requisition" some entries of the global Hot Topics for their specific needs.
@KrAyZy: you mean a "to be developed" priority list?
@Oboeshoes92: impossible to manage regularly for busy devs. Plus, it would inform the people that follow the thread, but all the rest of the community may remain anaware of their statements. Better be a place (Hot Topics 2.0) where DE devs answer officially to the whole community.
@Phobose: agreed. As i said above, the upvotes number won't be the only criteria taken into account for Hot Topics 2.0.
@Beasy63: see my reply to DavidSPD above. So this concern is seriously addressed.
@MechaKnight (last reply): Cold but interesting topics are also a question i wanted to address in the project. I suggested a way to "highlight" some topics in order to focus the attention of the community on them (this is part of the conceptual process of the Hot Topics 2.0, but devs won't have to care about this community auto-focus). Upvotes won't be at all a fundamental criteria for highlighting those topics.

[MechaKnight]

@Yaer: Thank you so much for following the community threads, you've been very helpful!

[ReiganCross]

Oh thank god.

 

1) The Devstream usually posts more info then most E3 Trailers on this bullS#&$ industry anyway, so no problem delaying a Hot Topic to fill that Devstream. If anything you guys have my thanks for learning to be straightforward honest (Well, i believe you anyways.)

2) I imagine you guys are all stretching for time because, as it seems on the last Devstreams, you guys are speeding content our way, no complains there. Just don't rush it, guys, make this one awesome.

3) Huzzah for a new Hot Topics, because this idea was kind of a mess lately. Hell, the last Hot Topics was pretty much a bunch of product placement and announcements. Seriously, there is a Chaos Primed placement in there that reads like a cheap advertisement. Kudos for noticing the problem.

[Jin_Kazama]

If im honest, id like to see things in hot topics that the devs dont already know about or are thinking about, it would be handy if Community Hot topics had Issues like Particular weapons that have fallen off/seem to have been neglected, or Warframes that have lost their charm, such as Ember in Infested missions now since she has no defence against the Mutilist Ospreys.


Another suggestion would be if Community Hot Topics was literally every week there being a Poll, the Poll could be the Weekly Community Hot topic, that everyone could vote on weekly, this would directly feed information to the Devs aswell as be fun to us  :D

[SilenceKills82]

Still nothing on account migration :(

[NovusNova]

Still nothing on account migration :(

They've already said they hope to have PC to PS4 migration up after Update 14 is on both PC and PS4.

[SableSonata]

Dismissed is not the same as covered...

[Leorion]

While the dev streams have most the meat and potatoes, it's not the dish the community currently wants, you may be giving us some grilled chicken when maybe we want some Chinese.

 

Point is, the Hot Topics Section is a vital method for me to get my updates, thankfully the community in Warframe is very dedicated and issues that are especially annoying or need improving are highlighted by the community which gets sent to the developers and a direct reply on that topic is received, which is a really nice thing the developers do (Which most games should do, too.)

 

As for updating them ;

 

1 - I completely agree with the idea posted here by Daftpunk Daftmeat regarding finding a way to know the most upvoted posts of the week. If they get the most posts, they must be saying something right that a lot of people agree with.

2 - I personally think it isn't that hard at all to see the most active threads, and I believe it's available for most admins in their statics area. Looking at that information can allow you to easily find the thread with the most discussion. (Threads that come from Announcements, Off-topic, Updates, Trading and Recruitment should be excluded).

3 - Look at the amount of times a particular topic pops up. That means it's an important issue and should be addressed. 

4 - Get Social Media Involved - Ask the fans on Facebook and Twitter about possible issues, and the one with the most likes or favorites should be addressed. This allows for a wider array of fans and input.

 

The current format is good enough, straight to the point and easy to read. No need to change that. The only thing I dislike about some Community Hot Topics posts is the default reply of "Yeh, we know." Or "Yeh, we heard about it." In my opinion any topic chosen to be a CHT should get a full reply on WHAT they developers think of it, HOW it can be improved, and if not, then WHY. Simply telling us you acknowledge it isn't really enough. 

 

Other then that, please continue this awesomeness!

[SirProper]

Write a script to generate a list by checking the feedback forum for upvotes. The topics with the most upvotes each week are more likely the feedback/suggestions that a majority of players are interested in having addressed.

Up votes are a very fickle system to use.

[VegetableBasket]

Could there be a thing where devs are required to read the community hot topics? Take this thread, which was mentioned in three hot topics consecutively, and check out the video in the OP. It's pretty obvious the devs didn't read it and Steve even says that he sent Rebecca away when she brought it up to him.

 

There was a thread about "how many upvotes do you need for the devs to notice you," and after writing that thread, getting 300 upvotes in two days, then getting that kind of answer on the stream, it seemed like no amount of community support is enough to get your voice heard. But maybe I'm just being dramatic and butthurt, but honestly, it was frustrating. It was one of the most popular threads on the forums for that week and Steve and Scott sat around discussing why they hadn't solved the problem I had created a solution for, rather than discussing the solution itself.

Edited June 26, 2014 by VegetableBasket

[(PSN)LORD_ALFARS12]

I'm sorry to break bad news for you De but void need un diluting and ai is stoupid http://youtu.be/AiULVMDGRaE and enemy's need to work as a team and need tools to actouly help them selves

[(PSN)LORD_ALFARS12]

Dark side:alright smart guy saying something is easy but having it as a layer out plan show us what ya got

Simple have enemy's spread into classes not new ones classes a crew man could be an engenier meaning he could fix drones

One may be an assault in that case he would throw a. Heal grenade and heal allies one may be a technician he'd put a turret and remove de-puffs

Things like melcular prime and mybe put a explosive proof SHEILD not bullet proof explosive (ahem ahem *penta*) easy and makes them work but with current ai that's not gonna work they need teamwork becouse were warrior deities.

Basically I fight no less than a hundred.

Tell me guys do you like the idea if randomly chosen classes and they spawn in squads something like that