Kubrows Are A Psychological Gimmick To Keep You Logging In

[VegetableBasket]

I want to start this thread by saying I really hope I am wrong, I know everything is subject to change, and that I may have misinterpreted any information released thus far about the kubrows. This is like 30% humor but a real concern of mine. But hear me out.

37:00 on livestream 31 sheldon says "if you don't take care of your pet, the pet dies." Watch a few minutes before and you can hear him say "You need to take care of it every day."

It would seem these guys die of neglect. If you don't take care of them, babysit them, probably feed them or whatever else, they die. I don't know the consequences of death in this context but I am assuming it means permadeath like with resource drones. Only the drones can be stored safely.

The gene system for kubrows is designed so players have to spend a while breeding for the kubrow of their dreams, using RNG and potentially consumable DNA samples which will require perhaps dozens of crafts and releases before getting it how you want it, because we can only have one apparently, so systematic breeding will be really hard to orchestrate. They have exceedingly cute animations and will probably outclass sentinels. Players will naturally get attached to their kubrow and seeing it die will probably result in hundreds of baww threads on the forums. This is all intentional.

It's to keep you logging in. If you ever want to take a break from this game, DE will kill your dog. That dog you spent probably way too many resources and real life hours waiting on a crafting timer. Don't you dare uninstall or even go out of town or your fishbowl kennel will be populated by a solitary skeleton when you get back.

Please read the first paragraph before flaming me, thanks.

Edited June 21, 2014 by VegetableBasket

[AprilFools]

Well, looks like I won't be owning one then. That's a shame =/

 

Of course, only if you're right about this.

Edited June 21, 2014 by AprilFools

[BrotherIcarus]

Wait there are people who do not log in everyday?

 

But more seriously I doubt they would strait up die perhaps they get some kind of de-buff that you have to get of them but considering the time it will take to get one it would be like your gun breaking if you don't polish it for a couple day. 

Edited June 21, 2014 by BrotherIcarus

[CBAROG]

I'll kill the dog myself. Put it out of it's misery.

[tveeggad]

... So?

[Paul_Pianoff]

I've had this concern too. My idea was to allow your Kubrows to be put in a sort of cryostasis for some time. That way they won't die if you're going away for a vacation or something.

Edited June 21, 2014 by PhantomRUS9

[MeduSalem]

[...] and will probably outclass sentinels. [...]

 

NEVER. Heretic. Unbeliever. Burn him!

 

I'd rather abuse... I mean cuddle with my Carrier than with anything fury!

 

But as far as the rest goes I'm pretty much skeptical on Kubrows as well. Don't feel like having a Tamagotchi to look after.

Edited June 21, 2014 by MeduSalem

[Katakuna]

Far into the future, even the most technologically advanced races of the solar system -- capable of building spaceships that can travel between planets in seconds -- cannot build the one thing that can save their pets from death.

 

[Shehriazad]

They won't die just because you didn't log in 1-2 days in a row.



They're gonna hate you for a loooong time, though. 


Would your dog die just because you neglected it for 2 days? Nope...can take forever for em to starve. 


Also the Genetics aren't as much RNG. Since you can get imprints with conditions that you like....chances will be particularly high that those imprints will then create a kid that you actually want. (2 skinny striped kubrows with hunter personality are not suddenly going to turn into a fat monocolor kubrow with digger personality)



Edit: And even if your space dog dies because you didn't log on for 2 weeks....you probably have an imprint or can just trade similar imprints again. 
This is no different from clan management..... don't take care of your big 1000 man clan for weeks? Chances are it's gonna die. 
In fact this is no different from most online games that have social features....WF just tries to expand -> They want you to socialize with humans AND AI instead of just humans.
Also I'm pretty sure if you can only play the game once a freaking' week then you have more pressing issues IRL than playing WF. (+ Im sure they can survive a week)

Edited June 21, 2014 by Shehriazad

[(PSN)The_Moustache]

If my kubrow dies because I had to work overtime or because I went on my one vacation for the year, I'm just not going to use one. I don't enjoy having all my hard work destroyed because I had more important things to do.

[VegetableBasket]

They won't die just because you didn't log in 1-2 days in a row.

They're gonna hate you for a loooong time, though. 

Would your dog die just because you neglected it for 2 days? Nope...can take forever for em to starve. 

Also the Genetics are as much RNG. Since you can get imprints with conditions that you like....chances will be particularly high that those imprints will then create a kid that you actually want. (2 skinny striped kubrows with hunter personality are not suddenly going to turn into a fat monocolor kubrow with digger personality)

Edit: And even if your space dog dies because you didn't log on for 2 weeks....you probably have an imprint or can just trade similar imprints again. 

This is no different from clan management..... don't take care of your big 1000 man clan for weeks? Chances are it's gonna die. 

In fact this is no different from most online games that have social features....WF just tries to expand. 

Also I'm pretty sure if you can only play the game once a freaking' week then you have more pressing issues IRL than playing WF. (+ Im sure they can survive a week)

I could be wrong obviously but it seems to me like the imprints are going to be consumable and combined with an egg which has its own DNA making it always possible you'll get the wrong genes. If you are trying to breed your own you don't really have a reliable source of imprints so you need other people to constantly supply you with imprints if your crafting fails. I don't know how it will actually work but it just seems like how DE would do it. Hopefully I'm just being dramatic.

[Sayoka]

Would be awesome if we can look after it via phone app.

[Brahmastra]

I'm 100% sure I will neglect it after it is level 30.

 

DE'd kubro.. you can only blame DE!

[LordOda]

Sorry to say, but if you guys think that they'll have the Kubrow die from not logging in... no, second thought, will keep that commentary to myself.

 

It would be an intense, unthinkable mistake for DE to make it so you had to log in each day to keep your Kubrow. It's madness. Only the most out of touch developer would require that... that's some Korean-Grind-MMO level stuff there. Yes, Warframe is Grindy-McGrinderson... but it's not THAT bad. There is sanity here. I have literally met, shook hands, geeked out with, and in perhaps some small way influenced the publicly recognizable members of DE's staff.

 

I talked with Grineeer at modest length about ways to balance Iron Skin for Rhino before Update 8, I've talked about Nekros and it's abilities also before Update 8 with Grineeer, Sheldon and Rebecca, LONG before it was ever a reality, a fact they still remember till this day. https://twitter.com/sheldoncarter/status/368851518755069952 And on and on. These people are NOT insane, they are not the kind of developers (to a fault they were all blown away by the game's success and loved spending every moment talking, listening and gaining input from the fans) that will just murder your dog for not logging in for a few days.

 

Hell, if this last Livestream is any indication... Rebecca herself will likely put nerf-guns-to-heads to make sure no Kubrows ever die.

 

Now... if you wanna get upset about something, there's that whole "exhausted" mechanic where you can only use the Kubrow until it gets tired and then it won't continue to follow you to missions anymore until it rests some. Now THAT I'm worried about... I'm worried the number of missions will be too few, and this thing I've spent time researching and growing etc, will be usable a few times a day only. THAT is my concern.

[.__Chiyo__.]

Don't look at it in negative ways man, I'm happy that they release some new thing in to the game even though it still going to be about grinding and RNG  but...... man it better than get login for reward and run the alert everyday.

[(PSN)SUZOOKUS_MAXIMUS]

Just pay 1p for a Kubrow walking service and your best friend will be fine.

[Lunamaniac]

I just hope nothing happens to Kubrows while you're not logged in.

[UncommonUnicorn]

I think I'll get one just to see it die from neglect instead.

 

And if they don't die, then I'll get some just so I can flush them out the airlock.

Releasing them into the wild(erness of space).

 

Well, until they add a feline pet, that is.

Edited June 21, 2014 by UncommonUnicorn

[5stareraser]

I want to use Kubrow n the sentinel same time . Don't put me to choose from.

[Exodess]

I would hope that they would more realistically mean that your Kubrow receives only basic care when you don't log in to take care of it on a given day but has some kind of progression system that improves every time you log in and run your daily routine with it.

 

Final Fantasy XI had a similar system with its Chocobo raising system, but they made the mistake of time-locking the period in which you could do this and thus punished players who did not log in each and every day for a month by weakening the optimal performance you could potentially achieve on the critter for each day lost.

 

On a similar note: I'm amazed at the emotional investment we're already making towards a virtual asset. If anything, it speaks very highly of human empathy that we can feel such attachment to something made entirely out of digital code.

Edited June 21, 2014 by Exodess

[VegetableBasket]

Sorry to say, but if you guys think that they'll have the Kubrow die from not logging in... no, second thought, will keep that commentary to myself.

Watch the last stream from about 32 to 37 minutes on youtube. Sheldon says you need to take care of it every day, then later on at 37" that if you don't take care of it, it dies.

Edited June 21, 2014 by VegetableBasket

[Cinderain]

You know, I watched the livestream and after hearing what Sheldon said, I can't believe people are taking that seriously.

 

They were making jokes throughout the entire Kubrow discussion about real world "responsible pet owning" and about how horrible the idea of abandoning your pet is.

 

"If you don't take care of your pet, your pet dies," is what Sheldon said at the end of the conversation. All he did was offhandedly apply real world common sense to the conversation, not a Kubrow gameplay mechanic. The fact that they made more jokes about it "ending on a downer" should be more indication of what Sheldon was implying. Try paying more attention to the tone of conversations.

 

On another note, are login rewards a psychological gimmick, too?

Edited June 21, 2014 by FatalX7

[Inquisitioner]

It's tamagotchi all over again..

[grillv20]

Far into the future, even the most technologically advanced races of the solar system -- capable of building spaceships that can travel between planets in seconds -- cannot build the one thing that can save their pets from death.

 

 

is that a space buttplug?

[VegetableBasket]

You know, I watched the livestream and after hearing what Sheldon said, I can't believe people are taking that seriously.

 

They were making jokes throughout the entire Kubrow discussion about real world "responsible pet owning" and about how horrible the idea of abandoning your pet is.

 

"If you don't take care of your pet, your pet dies," is what Sheldon said at the end of the conversation. All he did was offhandedly apply real world common sense to the conversation, not a Kubrow gameplay mechanic. The fact that they made more jokes about it "ending on a downer" should be more indication of what Sheldon was implying.

 

On another note, are login rewards a psychological gimmick, too?

Uhh, I hope you're right but it sounded an awful lot more like a mechanic than a joke to me.

Login rewards are rewards and not a punishment, but yes. I was going to draw a relation to them but my post was getting long enough as it was. They aren't nearly as significant as these little doggies though if you miss out on them...