Remember! Before You Go Metagaming, You Must Ask Yourself One Thing.

[Tesseract_The_Pariah]

"Is it broken?"

If it is, they will fix it.

Was Trin's godmode broken?  Certainly.  Is Nova still broken?  Yes.  What about the exploit people used to get high scores in the event this week?  Broken.  All the other thousands of "metagame" exploits?  Broken unless they actively add to normal game-play as well.  That's what sets exploits and unintended features apart.

And they fixed it, and will fix it if they haven't.

And don't expect anything different from developers who are concerned with the quality of their game.

If it's broken, they will fix it.  You have no entitlement towards things you purposefully used broken mechanics to get.

[-CM-Tiffany]

"Is it broken?"

If it is, they will fix it.

 

This, 

 

Is however only partially true.

[Tesseract_The_Pariah]

This, 

 

Is however only partially true.

The full length would be:

"Is it broken and not actively add an element to the game?  If so, they will fix it"

[CandyDragon]

More accurately:

 

"Is it broken, does it currently generate revenue from people purchasing the meta, does the dev team have a method to address it"

 

This is pretty much why they never touched trinity till after the helmet changes. 

[Tesseract_The_Pariah]

More accurately:

 

"Is it broken, does it currently generate revenue from people purchasing the meta, does the dev team have a method to address it"

 

This is pretty much why they never touched trinity till after the helmet changes. 

You can't attribute everything to greed.  That's being overly negative. 

If they were that greedy, they would have kept stat helmets in on purpose to generate more revenue.  As I see it, they just wanted the capability for people to use whatever helmet they wanted without sacrificing stats or having to use one they didn't like for stats. 

Still, look at skiing in Tribes.  An unintended feature that ended up defining the game - that is true meta right there.  Or quake's rocket jumping, though technically that had roots in DooM.  Still, that's what real Metagaming is. 

So far, we've had a few metagame things in Warframe but most are glitches and or exploits. 

[CandyDragon]

Well you can't attribute the stat removal to simply being charitable. It then makes the other cosmetics more marketable. As prior to this it was "well I'd use it but then i'd lose X stat"

It also made the "bad" helmets with nice cosmetics more appealing in the long run to, as no one in their right mind would have used the Meridian helm for trinity before the change. 

[Tesseract_The_Pariah]

Well you can't attribute the stat removal to simply being charitable. It then makes the other cosmetics more marketable. As prior to this it was "well I'd use it but then i'd lose X stat"

It also made the "bad" helmets with nice cosmetics more appealing in the long run to, as no one in their right mind would have used the Meridian helm for trinity before the change. 

I personally just love how now I can be all like

While being all like

 

And so what if it's profitable?  It mutually benefits players and devs.  Huzzah!

Edited June 24, 2014 by Gaminus

[RoboDoge]

Lets see how long till Penta/Ogris is changed to different ammo type with 20 base ammo.

[Tesseract_The_Pariah]

Lets see how long till Penta/Ogris is changed to different ammo type with 20 base ammo.

Oh, that's broken too. 

Remember the Quick Thinking+Rage combo that made people invincible that got fixed?  What made people think that that wouldn't change?  How could people even get mad at that?

People confuse, enrage and disappoint me at all times.

Edited June 24, 2014 by Gaminus

[RoboDoge]

Oh, that's broken too. 

Remember the Quick Thinking+Rage bug that made people invincible that got fixed?  What made people think that that wouldn't change?  How could people even get mad at that?

People confuse, enrage and disappoint me at all times.

Or even first Iron Skin nerf? Nothing can compare to that amount of crying.

[Tesseract_The_Pariah]

Or even first Iron Skin nerf? Nothing can compare to that amount of crying.

I like iron skin how it is now, I'd just like a visible number of the amount of health iron skin has.  It's perfect where it is now, instead of being a timed godmode. 

However, when it blocked 90% of the damage it was fairly bad.  I don't blame people for being at least a bit upset - but the whining that happened was just atrocious. 

[-XeqtR]

B..b..but asking questions is an exploit

[Bloody_Canvas]

May have found something that may be over powered, but I gotta do more testing with it. It's auto parry by the way. Like I said I gotta do more testing.

[Tesseract_The_Pariah]

May have found something that may be over powered, but I gotta do more testing with it. It's auto parry by the way. Like I said I gotta do more testing.

Hm, well.  I could see how auto parrying could be OP..  does it cost stamina?

Even then though, you can't attack while parrying, even with auto parrying. 

[RedMasa]

Lets see how long till Penta/Ogris is changed to different ammo type with 20 base ammo.

I'm shocked that this has gone on for so long... I expected they would change it to bow/sniper ammo by now.

[Tesseract_The_Pariah]

I'm shocked that this has gone on for so long... I expected they would change it to bow/sniper ammo by now.

They need to make a new heavy weapon type/explosive weapon type - and have it use its own ammo.  The amount of damage you can do currently and the lack of ammo shortages at all is indeed shocking. 

[Bloody_Canvas]

Hm, well.  I could see how auto parrying could be OP..  does it cost stamina?

Even then though, you can't attack while parrying, even with auto parrying. 

dunno yet, like I said I gotta do more testing. and even if you can't attack you can still move. It is very well versed for shrugging off a bit of damage while playing a squishy frame such a loki and parrying doesn't appear to stop while casting an ability.

[MaverickZero]

I'm shocked that this has gone on for so long... I expected they would change it to bow/sniper ammo by now.

This is in the low priority along with Ammo 2.0 at the moment. DE focuses on what they think will affect the most number of people positively (at least that's what they've shown). Ammo restrictions (as opponents of the Ammo 2.0 call it) doesn't add that much to the average player. What it truly adds is a new way to balance weapons (excluding melee). However, adding more variables into balancing might backfire and make adding new weapons take longer or re-balancing existing guns a chore.

[Caernarvon]

And don't expect anything different from developers who are concerned with the quality of their game.

 

As in, not DE. Warframe is a sh*tpile of bugs and more bugs on top of more buggy things.

 

Wasted Potential: The Game.

Edited June 24, 2014 by Caernarvon

[(PSN)MoriartyHaaaiii]

dunno yet, like I said I gotta do more testing. and even if you can't attack you can still move. It is very well versed for shrugging off a bit of damage while playing a squishy frame such a loki and parrying doesn't appear to stop while casting an ability.

Wasn't this explained in a recent live stream?

[Somedude1000]

"Did you really think it would be this easy"

 

Fixes coming, Soon

 

In all due seriousness, for a small community within our community (>.<), being immortally powerful makes them feel better than the way they are treated IRL, and when that's taken away, it makes them sad .

 

Personally, playing meta is nice on the occasion, but too much of it doesn't allow creativity when playing, so both sides have points, but meh

 

Godspeed :D 

[NevanChambers]

As in, not DE. Warframe is a sh*tpile of bugs and more bugs on top of more buggy things.

 

Wasted Potential: The Game.

Wasted time: your life.

Seriously why are you here? Don't like the game don't like the devs there is literally no reason for you to be playing let alone on the forums, other than trying to spread your self-inflicted misery. Not really a noble goal if you ask me.

[Tesseract_The_Pariah]

Wasted time: your life.

Seriously why are you here? Don't like the game don't like the devs there is literally no reason for you to be playing let alone on the forums, other than trying to spread your self-inflicted misery. Not really a noble goal if you ask me.

People just like to *@##&#036;.  It's unfortunate, and quite annoying. 

But hey, they have to spew their vitriol somehow.

[DJ_Redwire]

If they were that greedy, they would have kept stat helmets in on purpose to generate more revenue.

 

You're kidding, right? Helmets cost 75 plat in the market for purchase. Think back on that to before helmets were striped of their stats. To buy a stat helmet, it cost you 75 plat. Now to buy most of those helmets, you're going to have to pay several times that much to get the same item that used to cost only 75. Removing stats increased plat sales - not the other way around. 

[rangeless]

Lets see how long till Penta/Ogris is changed to different ammo type with 20 base ammo.

does it matter? people lose more missions from dying right now than if we run out of ammo in future missions.