Stop! Just Stop! Please!? (Stop Making Every Single Weapon Clan Research!)

[Nihilum]

Stop making every single weapon clan research! (nami solo doesn't count... it's just half the nami-skyla...)

I'm not, nor is anyone else outside a small fanatic ADHD-addled fanbase going to spend the plat to rush stuff like this!

All you're doing is driving a stake into the hearts of your loyal players(who would honeslty be more inclined to buy and spend the platinum if the time wall upon time wall wasn't there). There's no way that's worth the tiny theoretical profit! Forcing them to wait behind time wall after time wall when half the additions just arn't worth the time to begin with!

What was wrong with just the rank restricted gear/bps? Nothing. We'd still get it. Some of us would still spend plat to unlock it if they weren't the propper rank. You've just added more time and cost and cheapened what clan weapons were supposed to be.

Now it's all still rank restricted, requires a decent clan, requires research, has a the 3 day time wall for said reseach,  needs special resources, another 24 hours, the blood of a virgin and your freakin sanity. -- or platinum

I've given so much money to this game, but >>>  I WILL NOT <<< continue to do so if this trend continues week after freaking weak.


RNG's always getting worse and worse.

Time walls getting worse and worse.

I feel like I spend less time playing the game at this point and more time just hopping on to micro manage my foundry projects/clan research instead of playing.

You're turning into the stereotypical f2p coyishly seeking plat every two seconds and it's driving me and others away.



TL;DR:

 

[Siege__]

Did you say Timewall?

 

 

You have a good point. It builds upon the incentive to 'Join a clan' and 'Become part of the community', ideas of which not everyone wants to take part in.

Edited June 28, 2014 by Cj21forever

[Tulzscha]

Thread title edited for clarity.

[(PSN)MoriartyHaaaiii]

The market was becoming over saturated in a way that was daunting for new players. They had to put these weapons somewhere.

 

Just because veterans have to wait 3 days to get their weapon after an update doesn't mean that there is a time-wall. Newer players in clans will see the list of weapons and research and slowly progress through them, based on what they want to get first, meanwhile they will be farming, clearing the star chart, etc while the research completes. Honestly, all "Tenno" made weapons should be in the dojo as clan research, it just makes sense this way, but we shouldn't have random weapons requiring argon crystals for no reason other than "ITS A NEW RESOURCE LETS MAKE PEOPLE FARM IT". The entirety of tenno-forged weapons and their crafting requirements need to be moved to the dojo and have their construction costs and times altered accordingly.

Veteran players literally have nothing else to do but wait, so I get that this can be frustrating. Really the core of this issue lies in that fault.

 

Hopefully as lore and game mods are added/tweaked, there will be a stronger sense of replayability.

Edited June 28, 2014 by (PS4)MoriartyHaaaiii

[Un1337ninj4]

The reason they've decided to put so many weapons into the dojo research area is to fill this void where all they did was weapons made for the market, now they're filling in the spaces. 

 

I think they should slow it down a bit, but dojo research (as it was) held less than 10 weapons. Sure, there's a time wall, but you can't plat the research time. 

 

 

(And as a reply to MoriartyHaaaiii, Argon is only used in weapons like the Dragon Nikana and Angstrum where the weapons themselves are guaranteed to pack quite the punch.)

Edited June 28, 2014 by Un1337ninj4

[Brahmastra]

Devs gotta eat.

[Lawrenciumm]

You made a thread to vent your opinions on how this game is supposidly turning into a money hungry game. Truth is, this game does not force you to spend plat. I'm mastery 14 and I've never spent a single plat on weapon rushing or a whole weapon, now granted I have more patience then most. If you find the three day walls to be that horrendous, I'm not sure what to say. I spent a year in Kedge Keep (Everquest) attempting to get a robe. The grind is not that bad in this game :)!

[DoomsDayDan]

I'm fine with guns being in clantech but they're pretty much using it as a place to dump every new thing they make, clantech should be for super exotic and special cool guns like rocket launchers and laser guns and not comparatively mundane weapons like lever action rifles and cutlasses

[DaftMeat]

Advanced weapons like Ogris, Penta, Amprex, Mutalist Quanta, even Lecta absolutely make sense to be dojo research based.

 

Basic weapons like the Venka? Not so much. There's no need for a 4 day delay (3 for research, another to build) to strap three knives to your wrist.

 

While dojo research does indeed need to be filled, some common sense should be applied and not just convenience and expediency.

[Fraank]

start resarch on wednesday/tuesday => leveling the new weapons at the weekend.   

I like it!

[OtakuTom1992]

Wouldn't mind having something like this in the ship for players not in a clan, maybe have the default research time set at 3 days but you can keep adding resources to speed it up a little. It makes the wait less painful for players 

[Taikaponi]

Make your own solo clan and join an alliance. This way you will get all the research as soon as possible because the ghost clan resource costs are so cheap and with alliance you still have a lot of players to play with.

Edited June 28, 2014 by Taikaponi

[OtakuTom1992]

Make your own solo clan and join an alliance. This way you will get all the research as soon as possible because the ghost clan resource costs are so cheap and with alliance you still have a lot of players to play with.

Not everyone wants to be in a clan or an alliance though, I made a clan for myself ages ago and just couldn't afford the resources needed to build the research rooms and all that. I just disbanded and am part of a clan which used to be decent but is staring to feel sluggish and most of the players aren't even very active. The only reason I'm in the clan really is because of research rooms and the occasional time when 10 active players decide to login 

[Taikaponi]

Not everyone wants to be in a clan or an alliance though, I made a clan for myself ages ago and just couldn't afford the resources needed to build the research rooms and all that. I just disbanded and am part of a clan which used to be decent but is staring to feel sluggish and most of the players aren't even very active. The only reason I'm in the clan really is because of research rooms and the occasional time when 10 active players decide to login 

 

Getting 1k credits, 650 salvage, 350 circuits, 350 polymer bundles, and 1 forma is hard? You duplicate that by 5 and you have the Oracle and all the research rooms.

Edited June 28, 2014 by Taikaponi

[OtakuTom1992]

It was 

 

Getting 1k credits, 650 salvage, 350 circuits, 350 polymer bundles, and 1 forma is hard? You duplicate that by 5 and you have the Oracle and all the research rooms.

It was hard, I mean forma isn't exactly falling from the sky is it, and even if you get the bp you've gotta craft it which is what 24 hours waiting period. All I'm saying is if you wanna lessen the time to research clan weapons I don think you should be able to use more of the resources it requires, say the rarer the resource you're putting into the research the less time you'll have to wait or something like that. For a solo player it isn't very easy to obtain forma

[TC-Guardian]

It really isn't a time wall for most players, by the time most of the player base reaches the point of going to use that new weapon it will have been researched. It is a time wall if you are impatient and want every weapon the day it comes out as you don't have any left.

[Taikaponi]

It was 

 

It was hard, I mean forma isn't exactly falling from the sky is it, and even if you get the bp you've gotta craft it which is what 24 hours waiting period. All I'm saying is if you wanna lessen the time to research clan weapons I don think you should be able to use more of the resources it requires, say the rarer the resource you're putting into the research the less time you'll have to wait or something like that. For a solo player it isn't very easy to obtain forma

 

Formas DO fall from skies when trying to farm for Loki Prime -.-

Edited June 28, 2014 by Taikaponi

[OtakuTom1992]

Formas DO fall from skies when trying to farm fro Loki Prime -.-

RNG God knows you're hunting Loki Prime, he mocks you and gives you forma instead. Maybe I should hunt for Loki Prime :P

[Taikaponi]

RNG God knows you're hunting Loki Prime, he mocks you and gives you forma instead. Maybe I should hunt for Loki Prime :P

 

You can also sell the rare mods and prime parts which you get and get platinum to buy some extra forma :D

Edited June 28, 2014 by Taikaponi

[OtakuTom1992]

You can also sell the rare mods and prime parts which you get and get platinum to buy some extra forma :D

You have a point but stuff really only sells well for plat if it's brand new, I'm looking for a buyer for my Cleaving Whirlwind and Gnashing Payara both maxed but haven't managed to find a buyer 

[Taikaponi]

You have a point but stuff really only sells well for plat if it's brand new, I'm looking for a buyer for my Cleaving Whirlwind and Gnashing Payara both maxed but haven't managed to find a buyer 

 

I'll buy the Gnashing Payara, I've been searching one for ages :o

 

 

EDIT: Thanks :)

Edited June 28, 2014 by Taikaponi

[(PSN)MoriartyHaaaiii]

Wouldn't mind having something like this in the ship for players not in a clan, maybe have the default research time set at 3 days but you can keep adding resources to speed it up a little. It makes the wait less painful for players 

 

DE mentioned that the focus system might overflow into clan upgrades, perhaps allowing you to put your excess affinity into upgrading dojo mechanics through a "dojo skill tree" of sorts, where research time, costs, etc of weapons, rooms, and decorations could be improved

[DirkDeadeye]

Devs gotta eat.

 

I've seen enough loki prime and rhino prime avatars.

 

And before that enough grand master avatars..

 

and plenty of armor

 

and syandanas..

[Cabadath5]

Stop making every single weapon clan research! (nami solo doesn't count... it's just half the nami-skyla...)

I'm not, nor is anyone else outside a small fanatic ADHD-addled fanbase going to spend the plat to rush stuff like this!

All you're doing is driving a stake into the hearts of your loyal players(who would honeslty be more inclined to buy and spend the platinum if the time wall upon time wall wasn't there). There's no way that's worth the tiny theoretical profit! Forcing them to wait behind time wall after time wall when half the additions just arn't worth the time to begin with!

What was wrong with just the rank restricted gear/bps? Nothing. We'd still get it. Some of us would still spend plat to unlock it if they weren't the propper rank. You've just added more time and cost and cheapened what clan weapons were supposed to be.

Now it's all still rank restricted, requires a decent clan, requires research, has a the 3 day time wall for said reseach,  needs special resources, another 24 hours, the blood of a virgin and your freakin sanity. -- or platinum

I've given so much money to this game, but >>>  I WILL NOT <<< continue to do so if this trend continues week after freaking weak.

RNG's always getting worse and worse.

Time walls getting worse and worse.

I feel like I spend less time playing the game at this point and more time just hopping on to micro manage my foundry projects/clan research instead of playing.

You're turning into the stereotypical f2p coyishly seeking plat every two seconds and it's driving me and others away.

TL;DR:

 

The worst part is DE didn't use to be like this.They started changing a lot since the PS launch.

 

 

The game is slowly gliding away from the free-to-play part of it and if the devs don't do something it's going to reach nexon level "free-to-play" at this rate.

 

 

Seriously, what happened to you guys?

Edited June 29, 2014 by Cabadath5