Sniper Buff, How Much?

[jjpdn]

Well, I'm trying to decide if I should get more snipers (because I love them) or not.

Most of them deal minimal dps for all the acc. they have (compared to Ogris and etc).

 

So... how much will it be? 4x? 3X? 2X?

 

1. Ogris is AOE, something all snipers lack. It only does damage against 1 target (though it's punch through is sometimes good). Even then, Lanka just deals 250 after it's charge. 

2. Travel time for Lanka is something that's really annoying for snipers. Feels like a really weird bow.

3. Sniper's really low firing rate and the fact that you have to aim (instead of run and gun) should give some kind of boost... right?

 

Just asking, so that I sort of know what to expect. I'm sure my 3x estimation is not realistic.

 

PS: Didn't really feel like players helping players... so i put it here.. though may be p h p.

 

Suggestions to now:

Options 1: Increase damage

Options 2: Increase Crit

Options 3: Minor damage boost, add more (and smaller) enemy weakpoints (and Lanka projectile speed). Ex: Shooting the brain does even more damage. Or maybe even the heart. 

Edited June 29, 2014 by jjpdn

[TheFirstRonin]

how are we supposed to know how much they will buff snipers maybe 2x or 3x who knows..

[Archistopheles]

Double the ammo, double the firing rate, half the reload time, highlight the weakspots.

 

Snipers don't need to compete with the Ogris, theyjust need to be faster marksman rifiles.

[Siege__]

Anyone else just hoping for a rework? I mean, they don't aim well, theres no punchthrough on most of them, little damage and the "Bolt action" isnt exactly bolt action.

Edited June 28, 2014 by Cj21forever

[joker13265]

Well, I'm trying to decide if I should get more snipers (because I love them)

get them if you like them.

[Naftal]

Double the ammo, double the firing rate, half the reload time, highlight the weakspots.

 

Snipers don't need to compete with the Ogris, theyjust need to be faster marksman rifiles.

Imo they need to have much higher single target damage than Ogris.

[Archistopheles]

Imo they need to have much higher single target damage than Ogris.

 

You're asking for 800+ base damage, then?

[(PSN)jenax002]

Well, I'm trying to decide if I should get more snipers (because I love them) or not.

Most of them deal minimal dps for all the acc. they have (compared to Ogris and etc).

 

So... how much will it be? 4x? 3X? 2X?

 

1. Ogris is AOE, something all snipers lack. It only does damage against 1 target (though it's punch through is sometimes good). Even then, Lanka just deals 250 after it's charge. 

2. Travel time for Lanka is something that's really annoying for snipers. Feels like a really weird bow.

3. Sniper's really low firing rate and the fact that you have to aim (instead of run and gun) should give some kind of boost... right?

 

Just asking, so that I sort of know what to expect. I'm sure my 3x estimation is not realistic.

 

First of all you cannot compare a rocket's AOE to a sniper bullet. I will be surprised if your vision for a sniper is to just shoot sniper bullets without even aiming at a target and expecting it to make a explosion which will take 20-30 enemies.

 

As far as sniper buff goes, i think scott said in devstream 31 that they are coming up with a buff for snipers which would make them more viable. So, lets wait and see what he brings to the table. (who knows he might make a damage buff or make them armor or shield ignore)

Edited June 28, 2014 by (PS4)jenax002

[jjpdn]

 

First of all you cannot compare a rocket's AOE to a sniper bullet. I will be surprised if your vision for a sniper is to just shoot sniper bullets without even aiming at a target and expecting it to make a explosion which will take 20-30 enemies.

 

As far as sniper buff goes, i think scott said in devstream 31 that they are coming up with a buff for snipers which would make them more viable. So, lets wait and see what he brings to the table. (who knows he might make a damage buff or make them armor or shield ignore)

Snipers should eradicate single enemies, while Rockets should... well... clear rooms. That's my wish.

Or, at least, make rocket ammo rarer (that should be comming, i think)

Edited June 28, 2014 by jjpdn

[Shifted]

There's few things to fix:

 

- Rework the scopes HUD and make scoping optional

- Fix the delay between reloads (can be bypassed by manual reload but it's annoying...)

- BUFF THE DAMAGE.

[Arceus255]

Wait, there's gonna be a sniper buff? [Might've forgotten if it was announced]

[jjpdn]

There's few things to fix:

 

- Rework the scopes HUD and make scoping optional

- Fix the delay between reloads (can be bypassed by manual reload but it's annoying...)

- BUFF THE DAMAGE.

Scoping optional?

I'm sorry, but I don't understand.

It's not like shooting from the hip does any accuracy reduction.

[Arceus255]

Scoping optional?

I'm sorry, but I don't understand.

It's not like shooting from the hip does any accuracy reduction.

He means as in the HUD scopes, because they seem to reduce visibility.

[(PSN)MoriartyHaaaiii]

Snipers don't need insane base damage, just a really high crit chance and an extremely high crit multiplier, after all they are precision weapons

[Shifted]

Scoping optional?

I'm sorry, but I don't understand.

It's not like shooting from the hip does any accuracy reduction.

 

 

He means as in the HUD scopes, because they seem to reduce visibility.

I actually meant aiming position, but not scoping in. Essentially how all the regular rifles work.

[Tulzscha]

Moved to the proper section.

[Joos]

The ogris is still the best bow.

[koolen]

I don't understand why some people want to see the sniper buffed like if they were semi auto rifles, sniper are sniper, buff them like that.

Maybe crit multiplier to 2-2.5, and crit chance to 40%, also make every headshot x2 dmg

[Archistopheles]

I don't understand why some people want to see the sniper buffed like if they were semi auto rifles

 

 

Oh, I can answer that: This game throws 30+ enemies at you in waves. Doing 100,000 damage headshots every 2 seconds still means its going to take you 60 seconds to kill 30 enemies.

 

Meanwhile, Ogris and Boltor Prime clear them out in 5-10 seconds.

[Rainofgod]

Yes I wonder how they would buff the snipers, but they should leave fire rate, reload speed and those things largely untouched, since it is a sniper rifle. It should not go towards the spray and pray, lot like the soma, and still far  away from latron/ prime. 

 

I don't understand why some people want to see the sniper buffed like if they were semi auto rifles, sniper are sniper, buff them like that.

Maybe crit multiplier to 2-2.5, and crit chance to 40%, also make every headshot x2 dmg

 

 

Snipers don't need insane base damage, just a really high crit chance and an extremely high crit multiplier, after all they are precision weapons

 

 

who knows he might make a damage buff or make them armor or shield ignore

 yeah, was thinking along the same lines

[taiiat]

if all we do is add more Damage to Sniper Rifles, they'll still be missing uniqueness and a purpose of their own.

 

Bows and Sniper Rifles share roles too much. 

 

 

so then Digital Extremes, i know that you know how to make things fairly incomparable, so let's do that. Sniper Rifles need to NOT be a different flavor of Bow. both need quite a bit of Alpha for them to be able to compete against other Weapon Types, but all Weapons must bring more than just Damage to the table for them to be useful and interesting.

 

 

i'm still tempted about the idea of having a quite high Base Damage, acceptable Crit Chance(same as it is now would be fine, 50% is a very fair number), and very, very large Crit Multiplier(basically, they'd need a higher Crit Multiplier than Soma). 

 

alternatively, moderate Base Damage, very, very high Crit Chance, and acceptable Crit Multiplier.

 

or mayhaps, low Base Damage, and absolutely bonkers Crit Chance and Crit Multiplier. this idea is probably terrible.

 

 

but still, needs to bring unique things to the table.

[jjpdn]

Hm... but what about the bows? Bows are suppose to be crit. special.

 

Maybe, instead, they should add more weakpoints on enemies while giving minor damage increase (and also increase Lanka projectile speed, thank you very much). 

 

This way, Bows = Crit POWER

SNIPER = Precision targetter, giving more dps if you hit weakpoints! These weakpoints could armor ignore AND do 4x damage. Imagine with Sonar...

[TwiceDead]

Really... Just increase the headshot-multiplier damage for Sniper Rifles or make them auto-crit on headshots. That's all I ask. 

 

Although there's a certain Rifle that is in desperate need of a buff. It's name is too Vulgar to even type. 

Edited June 29, 2014 by TwiceDead

[jjpdn]

Really... Just increase the headshot-multiplier damage for Sniper Rifles or make them auto-crit on headshots. That's all I ask. 

 

Although there's a certain Rifle that is in desperate need of a buff. It's name is too Vulgar to even type. 

I was thinking of the Lanka. It shouldn't count as a sniper rifle. Maybe as a bolt launcher or an electrical and very ineffective boltor, maybe.

 

That Grineer sniper also needs a buff too, just like the rest.

Edited June 29, 2014 by jjpdn

[Kuva_Kebab]

Snipers don't need a buff.

 

Primed Chamber is the reason why.