Regarding Complaints About Founder Packs, Cross-Platform And Account Migration. Read This!

[Zelfarion]

Hello I am Zelfarion from both version of Warframe and ill be as polite as I can about this.

I know its long but youll be suprised that you will have learned something in the end.

I hope you stay and listen because this information is important.

 

Firstly I shall set some "guidelines" or rules if you will. So there wont be any misunderstandings.

 

1: If I say the word "Ignorance" or "stupid" or stuff like that somewhere I dont mean that you the readers are intellectually inferior or stupid etc. I only mean that you lack the knowledge on the subject or that you just dont really know what it is essentially. Just because you lack certain knowledge doesnt mean you are a moron. 

 

2: this is not directed at a specific person nor group. If I qoute a person from this forum or any other forum or from ingame etc it is NOT directed specifically at that person. I will only use qoutes from people to convey my point and have nothing against the people I potentially qoute. Nothing personal just because I qoute a person. and it is not ment to be disrespectful nor ment to be viewed in a way that puts the qouted person in a bad light.

 

So now that we have some disclaimers if you will. Lets get on with it shall we?

 

I have seen ALOT of complaints about Founders (mostly on PS4) Cross platform PC "unfair" buffed characters and account migration also PC "unfair" buffed characters. There is problems with the 3 complaint categories above is that they are all being made from ignorance. People do NOT take into account the time which the versions have been out nor the fact what development entails.

 

so id like to start out with the dreaded Founder Packs: 

 

"Founder Packs should be on PS4 now when PS4 is released because otherwise its unfair." This is pretty much the argument. i have sen people defending this argument with arguments such as "Founder Packs are a token of appreciation to the people who supports the development of the game. And Warframe is still in beta. Which meas its still in development."

 

Sounds like a good argument right? Well actually the argument makes one thing wrong. Founder Packs are not really for development in terms of what people think. Its out there to let people who want to donate money to help the game get made and pay for the costs to get a working concept up and running when the company making it is funding it with their own money. It is like a Kickstarter campaign. Would you when you buy the full retail game and find out that there was a Kickstarter with exclusive items that doesnt impact the game at all go and complain that the people who funded the game got perks out of them paying alot of money? 

 

The fact is that you guys who complain would most likely not have the game today if we PC players didnt "buy" Founder Packs and bought a S#&$load of platinum this like 1 year we played before you got it for PS4. I mean we Founders practically paid YOUR version of the game. And you want to strip us of the small trivial skin and emblems we got from that? I mean its not like we got something thats BETTER than what you can get. I have Excalibur Prime from the Founder Pack. I have the emblems etc etc. The Lato Prime was worthless. Excalibur Prime is just a re-skinned Excalibur that has differrent starting polarity slots.

 

Thats pretty much what we got for buying you, YOUR version of Warframe. I mean we PC players PAID to get Warframe to where it is today along with people who only bought platinum. I mean the PC players have given you the game as well. Keep that in mind. And just to finish this one: Founder Packs are NOT there to make you donate towards future development. Or well sort of. That is the result it gives. But the Founder Packs are there in the beginning when the company doesnt have much money to spend on the game to let players help spending money on the game to let the devs make the game better for us players. It doesnt matter if the game is in beta or not. the purpose of a Founders Campaign or a Kickstarter Campaign is to get the game rolling. To get it working and draw in people to help the devs be able to make the game.

 

You are a founder because you helped fund the game so it could be made. Not that you pay somewhere down the line some money to keep it alive. Hence why its callee being a Founder. I mean "Founder" means: "One that founds or establishes" which is what we did when we paid in the beginning. Which ISNT what PS4 user would do. Since we have paid for you to even have Warframe. we most likely paid for the first 5 patche of the PS4 version as well. So dont go and lash out on Founders because you missed it. Its not the founders or DE's fault that you didnt know. its no ones fault really. I mean you didnt know. that sux for you. I feel for you guys as well. But dont try to punish the founders that paid for YOUR game because YOU didnt know the game existed until after the Founder packs were taken down.

 

And now to the next argument of the 3 I listed above: "Cross-platform would be horrible because PC players would have an unfair advantage and buffed characters" This sounds promising that it should be a valid argument right? That maybe the last one was wrong but this one sounds really good right? Wrong. This one is just as bad as the above arument. Although on another subject.

 

It is true that PC players will have stronger characters, weapons etc etc. But isnt that obvious since they have, after all, been playing for like a year longer. That much is true and I totally agree with that. PC players will be stronger in general because of this. "But hey Zelf, you seem to agree with this argument so how can you say its a bad argument?"

 

Well heres the thing: Is it REALLY unfair? Lets break this down and look at it for a second. You have the PS4 and PC version. The PS4 version has been out since 15th November 2013 depending on where you live though. it was released in Europe like 29th November 2013. But thats beside the point here.

 

But lets just take the PC version. Its been out in OPEN BETA since 25 march 2013. It was in closed beta a couple of months before that. Personally I have been playing since 1 year and 2 months back. it says so on my account. That makes it since april 2013. Now the point I want to make here is that ALL of YOU had the SAME time to play this game. Again the fact that you "didnt know" has no argumental value. It doesnt have any value in ANY argument on ANYTHING. The fact that YOU didnt know is no ones fault. You just didnt know. And that is sad and as I said earlier I feel for all of you who missed these things. Its not unfair to have a stronger character than someone that has played half as long as you have. The time investment I have done compared to PS4 players is double the amount. 

 

If you and I had played the same amount of time. You would have the same amount and as strong character that I happen to have because I invested my time in the game. Its not unfair for me that have played longer to have a stronger character. I mean its like saying that if you buy Halo 4 half a year after someone else its unfair that he has more unlocks than you. You see the point im making here I hope? And besides Warframe isnt a PvP game anyway so it doesnt matter in that respect either. And there isnt anyone forcing you to play with these PC players either. I mean just because something is having cross-platform doesnt mean you have to use the cross platform function to play the game. You can always party up with people you know or people you like. 

 

And besides, look at DCUO as an example: I mean how long didnt it take for the PS4 version to come compared to the others? It has cross-platform. You dont see PS4 players complaining that you shouldnt do cross platform there because the PS3 and PC users characters are buffed right? Cross platform will NOT affect you as much as you think it will. I have played alot of games that has switched to cross platform after along time because a new console got released or something like that and none of these games have had ANY problem with ingame trading economy or giving advantages to people on other platforms. I mean when you put in as much time as they do, you will have that stuff too. 

 

And now finally the last argument:

 

"Account Migration is gonna bring economy crashing down and unfairly strong players" 

 

Well the fallacy here is the same as above really. Its simple: You invest X amount of time in the game and you will get X amount of unlocks. Its not unfair. Its equality. Equality is NOT that everyone has the exact same things etc. Its your commitment, time and in Warframes case you could use money as well you commit, that will equal what you have. If you commit all of these less than someone else, that other person WILL have more stuff than you. If you put down the same time, commitment and possibly money, you would have as many things as he does. 

 

And as I said: its not unfair at all. equality is fair. equality is what the game offers. Again as ive said idk how many times already: Just because YOU didnt know the game was out and someone else did doesnt make it unfair. its equality. You both had the same conditions on which to find the game. He found it, you didnt. It wasnt like anyone of us were sitting there one day just randomly going "Oh I have to look for a game called warframe and start playing it and not tell anyone about it." I mean that would be unfair. if some people got epiphanies about things of interest and kept it to themselves. But we know that doesnt happen in the real world. 

 

Everyone of us has had the SAME opportunity to find the game and start playing it. From day 1 we ALL had the same conditions to find the game. We all had the same tools which we used to find it. Lets say that I invest time and money into building a house and you dont invest much time and money at all in building your house. And my house becomes perfect and yours has water leaks and pipeline failure among other things. Nothing is wrong with my house and its sturdy. But your house needs more money and time invested to be as nice as my house.

 

In this analogy your answer would be that you could complain to the goverment that my house is soo much nicer than yours and that, that is unfair and that I should make the house more like your house or that you should get funds from the goverment to make yours equal to mine. Because you know, its unfair right?

 

No that is NOT unfair. And the correct answer would be that you have to invest more of your own time and your own money into your house to get the same "quality" I got from using more money ,and invest more time than you did on yours.

 

Nothing about account migration, Founder Packs or cross-platform is unfair. really NOTHING is unfair in this game really. All players hav the same tools and the same amount of time to spend on this. And if you happen to miss something or didnt know the game existed doesnt make it unfair. You just didnt know. its still an even playing field for everyone. I mean its not like we give PC players extreme buffs and stuff that you guys cannot get. The stuff you guys cant get that we PC players have is aesthetics. Skins or colors. stuff like that. Maybe not colors but you get where im getting. We dont get exclusive content that gives us a massive boost over you guys. we get skins that you dont get and you guy gets skins we dont get. 

 

This is it. NOTHING is unfair about this system. its unfortunate that you guys didnt know back then. But thats not our problem. And its not DE's problem either. It is your own personal problem that has nothing to do with fairness. 

 

And also a small thing before I end this as well: Did you guys even know that we PC players will lose stuff when we migrate accounts? You know our Platinum and Clan research etc. I mean hell we even lose the entire clan hall and everything to do with the clan and not just the research. I dont think you guys knew that did you? The clan will exist on PC and we will have our account on PC still there. Its just that we cannot bring the clan and platinum over to PS4. 

 

Oh and another thing as well you probably didnt know: If we have something that isnt on the PS4 when we migrate we cannot use those things until you guys can are able to do so. So we lose ALOT of stuff to transfer. I mean you guys say that its unfair that we can transfer our hard earned characters, weapons and items etc to PS4.

 

But then you got to ask yourself this:

 

"Is it really unfair because when I have invested as much time, sweat and tears as this PC guy that transfered over here have done, and have the same amount of stuff and have the same level of strenght as him when I get to where he is now?"

 

Well I hope you now understand how...well...stupid these arguments sound and actually are. No offence to anyone. Its the arguments that are stupid not the person using them. even though some people would argue that if you use a stupid argument you are stupid. But that isnt always the case. You could be misinformed etc.

 

In any case this has been my "debunking" if you will to these really bad arguments. And yes I know that people most likely dont complain so much about cross platform anymore since last I heard its not gonna happen. But I mention it anyway because it is a frequent complaint.

 

This has been Zelfarion that finally couldnt handle all the stupid arguments anymore. 

And ill catch yall in Warframe at some point most likely. 

 

Have a nice day and great life.

Best Regards Zelfarion

Edited June 29, 2014 by Zelfarion

[DMan]

TL;DR

He thinks that it's not ok

Edited June 29, 2014 by DMan128

[tveeggad]

TL;DR

He thinks that it's not ok

Thanks

Edited June 29, 2014 by ConcretePie

[(PSN)Lord_Gremlin]

Only founders exclusives and items that were removed permanently should never transfer. In case of founders items this is Sony platform. Not a bloody transfer from PC to linux or something. I've just updated PS3 software again and re-read ToS. You only get digital content in one place on Sony platforms, on Playstation Store. Founders pack was never offered on Playstation Store, while PS store existed long before Warframe came to be. Oh, and stop founding BS, it was available up until 2 weeks prior to PS4 launch, PC game at this point was way more polished than PS4 one and WAY past the stage of actual kickstarting or early support.

 

I don't see a problem with transferring progress from PC to PS4 (provided mastery from exclusives items is lost). Ideally you want to allow people to transfer all farmable/achieveble stuff (and ofc slots to fit it in) and make then buy platinum and cosmetic unfarmable stuff on PS4 again.

Edited June 29, 2014 by (PS4)Lord_Gremlin

[Marthrym]

TL;DR

He thinks that it's ok

Not sure you understood OP's post...

[(PSN)Lord_Gremlin]

I'm not even sure why he thinks people are aginst account migration carrying over stuff. People are just against transfer of anything you could never get on PS4.

Ideally once you migrate your account as a PC player you'll transfer everything a PS4 player could have acquired who started playing around PS4 launch. But you won't get anything extra. Current Sony policy is to make PS4 seen as a superior, the right way to play.

 

Speaking of people who actually want to migrate... Imagine that you can migrate everything except platinum, founders pack items and weapons retired before PS4 launch. That's already as much as you can hope for.

 

Because in best Sony interest is to ban transfer of any Prime Access exclusive stuff and any plat-only cosmetics, because Prime Access stuff is on rotation and all those items can be purchased again, while 30% of profit goes to Sony. Because honestly, people want to trnafer because they farmed and leveled a lot and they don't want to farm for Tranquil Cleave again or level up Strun and Mk-1 Braton again.

[Zelfarion]

I'm not even sure why he thinks people are aginst account migration carrying over stuff. People are just against transfer of anything you could never get on PS4.

Ideally once you migrate your account as a PC player you'll transfer everything a PS4 player could have acquired who started playing around PS4 launch. But you won't get anything extra. Current Sony policy is to make PS4 seen as a superior, the right way to play.

 

Speaking of people who actually want to migrate... Imagine that you can migrate everything except platinum, founders pack items and weapons retired before PS4 launch. That's already as much as you can hope for.

 

Because in best Sony interest is to ban transfer of any Prime Access exclusive stuff and any plat-only cosmetics, because Prime Access stuff is on rotation and all those items can be purchased again, while 30% of profit goes to Sony. Because honestly, people want to trnafer because they farmed and leveled a lot and they don't want to farm for Tranquil Cleave again or level up Strun and Mk-1 Braton again.

 

I know everything you have said. But my point is that why punish people that paid for your entertainment and made this game even possible? Now im not saying that you arent a PC player and havent played for so long. That idk. But I just wonder why punish people that wanted the game so much that they threw money at it and that resulted in other people ALSO could enjoy it without paying a dime? I mean founders paid the money to get the game created pretty much. then there have been people buying ingame items with platinum that also gave them money to stay alive. 

 

But without the founders the game wouldve been done for. We wouldnt have the game if it werent for the founders so why punish them? Why cant we just equally just say that we should punish the PS4 players so they have to pay like 50 bucks to start playing the game? You know to make it fair for all PC players who put alot of money into the game to get it where it is today and make the PS4 version. I mean if the stuff is exclusive on a platform doesnt matter since its account based. And the prime exclusives you speak of aint exclusive just so you know. They only appear on differrent points on the different platforms. And the prime access stuff you can get almost everything by farming. its possibly the syandanas you cannot get unless you pay the prime access thingy. But in most cases you can get the syandana as well through farming. 

 

the only real exclusives as of right now pulling from my head are some syandanas from events. And like 2-3 skins. I mean you arent missing ANYTHING. and why shouldnt these skins etc be transferable? I mean I have worked to get em or paid to get em. And the Founder stuff is to mark that this player helped fund the game so you could play it. There is NO argument you can pull to make sense of not making the exclusive stuff transferable.

[(PSN)Lord_Gremlin]

Founder pack items are paid content that was never offered on PS store, it's a PC exclusive DLC. As such it can't be eligible for transfer and may very well be the reason cross-play was permanently cancelled. While other games manage cross-play just fine. Everything else does not matter. As simple as that.

By all means I would very much like DE to state if founders pack items are transferrable or not. Because if they are, that means they comehow talked Sony into scamming their loyal customers.

[Corvid]

By all means I would very much like DE to state if founders pack items are transferrable or not. Because if they are, that means they comehow talked Sony into scamming their loyal customers.

 

I don't think you know what "Scamming" means.

 

Scamming is promising something, then delivering something of lesser quality. Pray tell, where did DE or Sony make such a promise?

[SignumCruxis]

The salt about to pour from this topic smells of imminent locking.

 

Nonfounders will always be buthurt about this, always. The rest of us and the non butthurt nonfounders would be better off just not contributing to these discussions in the future because everything that can be said on the subject has been said already.

[Aggh]

Brevity is the soul of wit.  If you want people to actually take you seriously, you should get to the point.

 

One big flaw in the OP's argument is his assumption that every founder helped pay for the ps4 version.  Warframe was already a resounding success well before the November 1st cut off.  The game had 20k+ concurrent players on steam and had spent tons of time on the top ten list ~7 months before the founders program ended.  Very few founders paid for the game when it wasn't a sure thing.

 

edit: Anyone care to bet on whether the OP is furiously writing a wall of text in response to this post that I won't take the proper amount of time to address?

 

 

I'm not even sure why he thinks people are aginst account migration carrying over stuff. People are just against transfer of anything you could never get on PS4.

Ideally once you migrate your account as a PC player you'll transfer everything a PS4 player could have acquired who started playing around PS4 launch. But you won't get anything extra. Current Sony policy is to make PS4 seen as a superior, the right way to play.

 

Speaking of people who actually want to migrate... Imagine that you can migrate everything except platinum, founders pack items and weapons retired before PS4 launch. That's already as much as you can hope for.

 

Because in best Sony interest is to ban transfer of any Prime Access exclusive stuff and any plat-only cosmetics, because Prime Access stuff is on rotation and all those items can be purchased again, while 30% of profit goes to Sony. Because honestly, people want to trnafer because they farmed and leveled a lot and they don't want to farm for Tranquil Cleave again or level up Strun and Mk-1 Braton again.

Unless they decided to make founders items tradeable.  In which case the massive plat sales that would drive would make it in Sony's best interest to include them.

Edited June 29, 2014 by Aggh

[(PSN)Lord_Gremlin]

Unless they decided to make founders items tradeable.  In which case the massive plat sales that would drive would make it in Sony's best interest to include them.

That's an interesing point. Although I'd question if it's worth it in that case: it sends a message that it's good to play multiplatform games on rival platform. In fact Sony will welcome you to profit from their more loyal customers. It's kinda of a bad message, especially when you try to sell a lot of similar stuff like Destiny as preorders. And in general it's a radical shift from Sony past strategies, why suddenly make it now and in this specific case?

From Sony persepective here, one should ask themselves: how does this make PS4 seems like a superior platform (in this case superior to PC)? It kinda does the opposite.

[Yaerion]

Cleaning the thread...

Done.

Be smart and constructive. Focus upon solutions, rather than having the last word.

Keep it cool or the thread will descend to the abyss in a dive click.

Thanks.

[Zelfarion]

Brevity is the soul of wit.  If you want people to actually take you seriously, you should get to the point.

 

One big flaw in the OP's argument is his assumption that every founder helped pay for the ps4 version.  Warframe was already a resounding success well before the November 1st cut off.  The game had 20k+ concurrent players on steam and had spent tons of time on the top ten list ~7 months before the founders program ended.  Very few founders paid for the game when it wasn't a sure thing.

 

edit: Anyone care to bet on whether the OP is furiously writing a wall of text in response to this post that I won't take the proper amount of time to address?

 

 

Unless they decided to make founders items tradeable.  In which case the massive plat sales that would drive would make it in Sony's best interest to include them.

 

You are aware of the fact that I also said that PC players that were also non founders spent alot of money on the game and that resulted in the game being funded right? Just asking. cause that removes the flaw. Which actually was IN the original post before you made your comment. And my point which I also said in my original post was that PC players funded the game. sure I mentioned founders alot but there are 4 places in there atleast where I say that PC players are the people that funded the game. 

 

Look it wasnt a giant wall of text? :O who couldve known?

Edited June 29, 2014 by Zelfarion

[Castron]

Founder pack items are paid content that was never offered on PS store, it's a PC exclusive DLC. As such it can't be eligible for transfer and may very well be the reason cross-play was permanently cancelled. While other games manage cross-play just fine. Everything else does not matter. As simple as that.

Cross play is disabled because PC and PS4 are never on the same version. Partially because DE updates too quickly and partially because Sony's CERT is the slowest thing in existence.

[Zelfarion]

That's an interesing point. Although I'd question if it's worth it in that case: it sends a message that it's good to play multiplatform games on rival platform. In fact Sony will welcome you to profit from their more loyal customers. It's kinda of a bad message, especially when you try to sell a lot of similar stuff like Destiny as preorders. And in general it's a radical shift from Sony past strategies, why suddenly make it now and in this specific case?

From Sony persepective here, one should ask themselves: how does this make PS4 seems like a superior platform (in this case superior to PC)? It kinda does the opposite.

 

But Sony isnt trying ton compete with PC. They are trying to compete with Xbox. They have NEVER said that they are trying to make PS4 to the superior platform. which kind of makes your argument fall flat. And Sony hasnt changed their strategy so much in the past 10 years. They have been promoting "for the gamers" and not "this is the best platform" 

[Zelfarion]

Founder pack items are paid content that was never offered on PS store, it's a PC exclusive DLC. As such it can't be eligible for transfer and may very well be the reason cross-play was permanently cancelled. While other games manage cross-play just fine. Everything else does not matter. As simple as that.

By all means I would very much like DE to state if founders pack items are transferrable or not. Because if they are, that means they comehow talked Sony into scamming their loyal customers.

 

Well im not gonna go into much here but just point out that you dont seem to know what scamming is. And now to the real point: why cant they be eligible for transfer? and if PC exclusive "DLC" isnt eligible then why does alot of PC exclusive "DLC" on other games being able to transfer to Sony's platforms? 

 

Although i can guarantee that what you said isnt the case. its most likely just because what someone else stated here earlier: they cant keep the updates popping out at the same rate for both platforms. DLC as you call it have never been stopped to be transferable in other games to Sony's platforms and nothing in the terms Sony has given supports what you said the terms say.

Edited June 29, 2014 by Zelfarion

[noveltyhero]

But Sony isnt trying ton compete with PC. They are trying to compete with Xbox. They have NEVER said that they are trying to make PS4 to the superior platform. which kind of makes your argument fall flat. And Sony hasnt changed their strategy so much in the past 10 years. They have been promoting "for the gamers" and not "this is the best platform" 

Nope, they try to compete with PC as well  of course, to anybody who wants a power house they know PC will win but to anybody just getting into gaming (still lots of people to go, especially newer generations) they probably won't know things about processors and programming, but mostly ohh that looks pretty I'll have it.

 

With companies like Alienware pushing people away from the PC market (I mean $1,000 for an i5 laptop? really? are you kidding me? so stupid.) Sony can be like ohh look at our console it is only $399 and looks pretty too.

 

Whilst it is unconfirmed (you can pretty much assume based on the evidence acquired) Ubisoft downgraded graphics on PC (Watch Dogs) on purpose in order for Sony to be able to say "see PC ain't all that". I am not blaming Ubisoft, after all money is money but the point stands. Sony wants the PS4 to be the best, they know they won the console war last year (that was some crazy stuff going on), however a new one may be coming up but consoles will always compete with PC even though it is an endless loss.

^Off-topic, just wanted to get that out there.

 

However to OP, founder exclusives should remain exclusive and let's leave it at that. Also, rainbow bridge isn't here due to update difference and DE already said they will not slow down PC updates for the PS4 and probably won't do that for the XBone either :/

[Zelfarion]

Nope, they try to compete with PC as well  of course, to anybody who wants a power house they know PC will win but to anybody just getting into gaming (still lots of people to go, especially newer generations) they probably won't know things about processors and programming, but mostly ohh that looks pretty I'll have it.

 

With companies like Alienware pushing people away from the PC market (I mean $1,000 for an i5 laptop? really? are you kidding me? so stupid.) Sony can be like ohh look at our console it is only $399 and looks pretty too.

 

Whilst it is unconfirmed (you can pretty much assume based on the evidence acquired) Ubisoft downgraded graphics on PC (Watch Dogs) on purpose in order for Sony to be able to say "see PC ain't all that". I am not blaming Ubisoft, after all money is money but the point stands. Sony wants the PS4 to be the best, they know they won the console war last year (that was some crazy stuff going on), however a new one may be coming up but consoles will always compete with PC even though it is an endless loss.

^Off-topic, just wanted to get that out there.

 

However to OP, founder exclusives should remain exclusive and let's leave it at that. Also, rainbow bridge isn't here due to update difference and DE already said they will not slow down PC updates for the PS4 and probably won't do that for the XBone either :/

 

I agree that founder exclusives should stay exclusives. Although to Founders. The platform shouldnt matter. If you are a founder whichever platform you choose to play on you should be able to show that you are a founder. I mean thats the point of the emblems for one thing.

 

And regarding your little spoiler thing: I knew that already. and its hearsay and rumours. Not the part of that it got downgraded. But the Sony part on it is just rumours. But my point I was trying to make there was that Sony has never stated that "We have the superior platform. We aim to be the superior platform" They have never advocated that either. And Sony aint as shady as Microsoft when it comes to PR and buissness.

 

I mean the entire concept of the Xbox One on the reveal which they said was innovation and no one had attempted before was the exact same concept Sony came in and rolled with when they introduced the PS3 on their reveal back in the day. Minus all the talk about TV. Just an example of Microsoft trying to take credits for something someone else actually tried before them.

[Aggh]

You are aware of the fact that I also said that PC players that were also non founders spent alot of money on the game and that resulted in the game being funded right? Just asking. cause that removes the flaw. Which actually was IN the original post before you made your comment. And my point which I also said in my original post was that PC players funded the game. sure I mentioned founders alot but there are 4 places in there atleast where I say that PC players are the people that funded the game. 

 

Look it wasnt a giant wall of text? :O who couldve known?

No, because it still doesn't change the fact that a large number founders (and based on your join date, that most likely includes you) didn't really help get the game off the ground.

Edited June 29, 2014 by Aggh

[Aggh]

That's an interesing point. Although I'd question if it's worth it in that case: it sends a message that it's good to play multiplatform games on rival platform. In fact Sony will welcome you to profit from their more loyal customers. It's kinda of a bad message, especially when you try to sell a lot of similar stuff like Destiny as preorders. And in general it's a radical shift from Sony past strategies, why suddenly make it now and in this specific case?

From Sony persepective here, one should ask themselves: how does this make PS4 seems like a superior platform (in this case superior to PC)? It kinda does the opposite.

Why would they bother competing with PC?  It's a completely different market.  All this does is allow them to make money off of content that they had already agreed wouldn't be released on their platform.

[Trajhenkhetlive]

Wow that was long but I'm glad you brought up the subject since it does address some controversial subjects. That being said, I disagree with you on a few points. I don't want to counter every argument but I would like to address an issue I can see sort of springing up in all of them. Lets say one is a founder. I think the question deserves asking; did one become a founder to show DE one supports Warframe or was it the lure of exclusive content that made one donate? If it's the first one, one wouldn't mind if some content that was promised earlier in game development would be exclusive became nonexclusive because game development that early can cause big changes involving the item you got. If it's the second, DE is under no obligation to design around ones vanity. It will cost them customers to do so since new players will feel they have an incomplete game and respond to that in turn. Part of the charm of Warframe is that one can build almost everything with effort and little money. It kind of loses that spirit with the existence of exclusive items.

PS4 and Xbox One players should be offered the founders packs since the game was never on those platforms nor designed with those platforms in mind. There is a chance the game will not succeed on those platforms due to design, bugs, or if it doesn't strike a cord with the main consumer base (exclusive content players can't get on their platform due to it being promised on a different platform is going to be a point of contention with the main consumer base) and the players will have spent real money on platinum if the game goes down. Their input and game testing is very important for the game to do well on console. Also the adoption of the game is important and offering the founder packs is a great way to get the ball rolling on that.

Edited June 29, 2014 by Trajhenkhetlive

[Azawarau]

I stopped at small trivial skin because the wall of text would take too much effort to read so excuse the lack of reading from there on

 

But if its really so trivial then why fight over it?

 

Im not saying DE should re release the founders pack though that would be very nice

 

But if its really such a trivial thing whats the point in defending it? Its really not so trivial

 

Alot of the pro founder arguments come down to this same thing

 

Alternative options to shut people up are immediately shut down as well

 

Dexcalibur and dual skana and aklato primes or dex dual skana or whatever itd be called are all good options that dont at all impede on the founders pack but theyre shot down too

 

In my eyes the issue is the founders overstepping boundaries to defend something they call trivial themselves

[(PSN)Lord_Gremlin]

Why would they bother competing with PC?  It's a completely different market.  All this does is allow them to make money off of content that they had already agreed wouldn't be released on their platform.

It isn't. Sony very much competes with PC, although MS is by far more direct competition. By the way, you do realize that playing Warframe on PS4 in SCEE regions is far more expensive than on PC?

 

You're not the first, the second, or even 10th person to bring this up. Although one of the first to say it so well, but still. DE themselves rejected it. In fact there was a post by DERebecca on PS4 forums, which was, to be honest, both insulting to reader's intelligence and offensive. Which was pointed out quickly - not by me, but it was done very politely - at which point converstion died. PC fanboy moderators are not helping either.

In recent community hot topics DE staff (not a mod or community manager by the way) actually stated that they have no active plans to re-release founders items, but keep their options open if they will need to do so at some point. But they welcome constructive discussion on the subject. Right after that moderator Letter13 closed thread on the matter in PS4 section - and thread has been going on for ages naturally - and stated that those items won't be released. One would wonder who authorised him to override developers statement.

I keep wondering how will they release on xbone, because with current xbone policies they are obliged to offer all founders items on XBLA. Unless that has changed very recently. MS are not in a good spot with xbone...

 

 

Well, to my understanding initially "prime" items were intended as 3 unique kickstarter-supporters reskins. Then that changed into all Tenno stuff having a prime version. Then that changed into Prime warframes being a better, upgraded versions of existing warframes. I won't be surprised if much later there will be unique memory quests that are unlocked by acquiring prime Warframes and involve re-living the old Sentient War events as this prime Warframe. Except there won't be a quest for excalibur, because it's a pay2win limited time reward exclusive to 1 platform out of 3.

I'll be honest, I would have never spent any money on that game if I knew about all this PC exclusive crap. But you know, game is not even labeled as beta on PS4, deception all around.

[ndantony]

Founder pack will always be a pain. Even if the DE wants to give to PS4, the community founders will fight against it with all rhyme and reasons. And then there is Sony's own policy for PS4. Oh wait. Should XBox One also get it too since Warframe just launched?! Cross platform? Majority opinions even outside of Warframe's agree that is an excellent ideas. Can't assume players on PC don't want play the same game on PS4 or Xbox. Do you not think DE's trying to do these?! Well, we know sure to their interest they would want to try to have as many players as possible. However, these things will not come to an agreement anytime soon, at least not in a foreseeable time, anytime. And DE just has to move on, with given resources, to develop and improve the game to the majority's interest.

 

While I'm so glad that I got the founder pack but I can understand the complains of the new players from those consoles... and even the ones from new players on PC. Cosmetic is not a "just" thing. Players can spend a ton to go after a "just" cosmetic thing. And the rarities, to exclusivity, increase both desire and value.