Looorreeee

[Ionus]

His smoke will be laced with gold dust. 

Ouch.

[DirkDeadeye]

Also proto excal skin was based on staker right? wouldint that suggest that the low gaurd were the trial runs? So they would be the first. And that would give them motive to strike back.

[PsychedelicSnake]

Also proto excal skin was based on staker right? wouldint that suggest that the low gaurd were the trial runs? So they would be the first. And that would give them motive to strike back.

Proto Excal Skin is based off the Original Armor from Dark Sector. It could be a connection, or it could simply be an anniversary item.

[OniDax]

I know..

 

The stalker mentioned the 9th beat, he was there. When did he get the suit? Was he an exile? Was he the first? Bias on the tenno end would suggest that Excal would be the first.. how true is that? What if the stalker was a prototype? Who wrote the codex?

 

He's not a Tenno. Excalibur is the first. Means that he didn't have a Warframe. Just take the Codex pages at what they actually say. The Codex page for Excalibur (It says "Warframe Archives", so it's written by the Orokin) says he was the first. So he is the first. Stalker can't be the first because Excalibur was the first (and no, the suits in Dark Sector weren't warframes. They were never called Warframes. They aren't. The Orokin made the Warframes). Stalker's codex has him looking with disdain on the Tenno. All the Tenno were being celebrated. Stalker, with the other low Guardians, was not being celebrated. He's not a Tenno. Again, this isn't that hard to understand.

 

Excalibur's page was written by the Orokin, Ember Prime's as well. Mag Prime's was a report by an Orokin soldier who got wounded. Stalkers is basically his manifesto.

[Ionus]

Also proto excal skin was based on staker right? wouldint that suggest that the low gaurd were the trial runs? So they would be the first. And that would give them motive to strike back.

 

There is absolutely no reason to believe anything you said to be true.

[vaugahn]

I know..

 

The stalker mentioned the 9th beat, he was there. When did he get the suit? Was he an exile? Was he the first? Bias on the tenno end would suggest that Excal would be the first.. how true is that? What if the stalker was a prototype? Who wrote the codex?

 

Wouldint you want to try to justify your cause in the face of a vengeful monster, who was out of a handful of disfigured survivors of a trial run to protect the intial batch of successful warframes?

 

Stalker may not have even had his frame at the time. Mag prime's codex mentioned "zero-tech" soldiers, the stalker could be one of those customized to fight tenno after the fall of the orokin. Or he could have gotten his hands on a frame somehow. It's not clear.

[Renegade343]

Stalker may not have even had his frame at the time. Mag prime's codex mentioned "zero-tech" soldiers, the stalker could be one of those customized to fight tenno after the fall of the orokin. Or he could have gotten his hands on a frame somehow. It's not clear.

I think it is more plausible that he assassinated a Tenno and obtained the Tenno's frame, then murdered a few more and modified his frame to the Stalker Warframe we see now. 

[Renegade343]

Ouch.

All the better to blind you with. 

[OniDax]

Also proto excal skin was based on staker right? wouldint that suggest that the low gaurd were the trial runs? So they would be the first. And that would give them motive to strike back.

 

No, it's not. It's a suit that was discovered by the Lotus, dating from a time from before the Orokin era. That time is modern times. Today. As in it's the suit Hayden Tenno wore. Why do I know this? Because DE wouldn't have added the bit about "possibly dates from a time before the Orokin era" part if that wasn't what they were suggesting. And the reason they called that lore significant, is that it basically makes Dark Sector the prequel to Warframe. Lazy way out? Yeah, but that's what it effectively does. So no, the Proto Excal Skin isn't based on the Stalker (not sure where you got that from). It actually comes from Dark Sector, a game DE made before warframe. But, again, Excalibur Prime's codex page says Excalibur was the first. So don't try to find some way to invalidate that. Say it with me: "Excalibur was the first." "Stalker was not the first." "The low Guardians weren't the first." We know their motive to strike back. The Tenno killed the Orokin. They didn't like that. So they hunt the Tenno.

[TC-Guardian]

Dirk you appear to think the tenno were only put in the void post rebellion. Heres how events happened.

-Orokin arrive at the origin system, described as a non sentient race, the orokin took over the system and ruled supreme over all species. The orokin built towers through out the void and also experimented on earth discovering humans and many other things.

-The sentients arrived at the system and sought take power from the orokin, and were winning drastically.

-In a last attempt at winning the war the orokin sent ships with human children on them into the void. Many of which had the ability to assimilate with the technocyte virus ?decendents of Hayden Tenno.

- The children who survived the void and returned were afflicted by the void, twisted and remenants of their old human selves, bursting with the powers of the void.

- The orokin took these warped children and built the warframes upon them using the technocyte virus, the virus suits acted as a conduit, containing and allowing control over the powers.

- The children were then trained with the old weapons of sword and gun, they were taught valor, honour and virtue. And trained to, above all else, maintain balance in the galaxy. Thus creating the weapon/soldier known as the Tenno.

-The tenno then went out and fought then sentients, destroying them as no other weapon had been able to.

- The Tenno return victorious and the orokin throw a great and memorable ceremony for their heroic soldiers.

-However, the Tenno know there cannot be balance with the orokin still standing. On the 9th drum beat the silent Tenno slaughter the orokin.

-Stalker, witnesses this:

Stalker is a "low level guardian"

Understood the meaning of the drums

Was allowed to live even with the destruction of all orokin

-Going off of these facts i have two guesses as to the stalker. Firstly the stalker was a Tenno still in training, and possibly the runt of the Tenno as he has his own suit which mimics other frames. This would make sense if Stalker was learning to master the void, he is the only one, held back and bitter with the fact. He also understood the meaning of the drums however did not agree with what the Tenno did. I think he was a lower level guardian as he did not understand the concept of maintaining balance.

-Second theory is that the stalker was in fact the tenno trainer, and highest ranking Tenno. With the guardians being a Orokin regiment. Because of this the Stalker was more inline with the orokin, also it would explain his warframe, a mix of 3 of the first warframe, excal, nyx, ash.

-The Tenno, with balance created, return to the void to sleep until needed again.

-The humans who remained split into multiple factions, with 2 key super powers, the Grineer, and Corpus.

-Mean while the Stalker, with bitterness in heart, begins his hunt.

-The human derived factions, now battle relentlessly, and the tenno are needed, the lotus wakes them from their slumber.

[Doom_Bunny]

Now the next question is his weapons. Where, when, with what and how to make my own versions of stalker weapons. Stalker phage hehehe

[DirkDeadeye]

I see it as the stalker being a prototype, maybe a vounteer, maybe a peasant orokin, sent off to the void. Perhaps he was an exceptional example, but held his tounge, the tenno deying them their stature as warriors given the task of being guardians for the tenno that were sent off after many trials of void exposure. After years of holding back he struck. serendipitous.

 

Why else would he have so much passion. Why would he have so much power? The Corpus, can't seem to do anything with warframe technology despite Def Anyo stockpiling cryopods. But one lowly orokin in a frame can? Doesn't make any sense.

[PsychedelicSnake]

Aside from the accepted consensus and what is currently accepted (I say currently because a change can happen at any time), the bottom line is we do not know.

 

We have the exposition, but we don't have the explanation or the meaning or the minute details. We have ambiguity. One good thing that can be said of this is that it gets us talking and clearly hyped around the story.

Edited July 1, 2014 by PsychedelicSnake

[Renegade343]

Dirk you appear to think the tenno were only put in the void post rebellion. Heres how events happened.

-Orokin arrive at the origin system, described as a non sentient race, the orokin took over the system and ruled supreme over all species. The orokin built towers through out the void and also experimented on earth discovering humans and many other things.

-The sentients arrived at the system and sought take power from the orokin, and were winning drastically.

-In a last attempt at winning the war the orokin sent ships with human children on them into the void. Many of which had the ability to assimilate with the technocyte virus ?decendents of Hayden Tenno.

- The children who survived the void and returned were afflicted by the void, twisted and remenants of their old human selves, bursting with the powers of the void.

- The orokin took these warped children and built the warframes upon them using the technocyte virus, the virus suits acted as a conduit, containing and allowing control over the powers.

- The children were then trained with the old weapons of sword and gun, they were taught valor, honour and virtue. And trained to, above all else, maintain balance in the galaxy. Thus creating the weapon/soldier known as the Tenno.

-The tenno then went out and fought then sentients, destroying them as no other weapon had been able to.

- The Tenno return victorious and the orokin throw a great and memorable ceremony for their heroic soldiers.

-However, the Tenno know there cannot be balance with the orokin still standing. On the 9th drum beat the silent Tenno slaughter the orokin.

-Stalker, witnesses this:

Stalker is a "low level guardian"

Understood the meaning of the drums

Was allowed to live even with the destruction of all orokin

-Going off of these facts i have two guesses as to the stalker. Firstly the stalker was a Tenno still in training, and possibly the runt of the Tenno as he has his own suit which mimics other frames. This would make sense if Stalker was learning to master the void, he is the only one, held back and bitter with the fact. He also understood the meaning of the drums however did not agree with what the Tenno did. I think he was a lower level guardian as he did not understand the concept of maintaining balance.

-Second theory is that the stalker was in fact the tenno trainer, and highest ranking Tenno. With the guardians being a Orokin regiment. Because of this the Stalker was more inline with the orokin, also it would explain his warframe, a mix of 3 of the first warframe, excal, nyx, ash.

-The Tenno, with balance created, return to the void to sleep until needed again.

-The humans who remained split into multiple factions, with 2 key super powers, the Grineer, and Corpus.

-Mean while the Stalker, with bitterness in heart, begins his hunt.

-The human derived factions, now battle relentlessly, and the tenno are needed, the lotus wakes them from their slumber.

I agree except for your Stalker theories. 

 

My own theory is that he managed to escape the massacre, then assassinated a Tenno that was hunting for him, which happened to be an Excalibur. The Stalker took his suit, then murdered a few more Tenno (An Ash, a Nyx and a Mag at least). He then modified his suit from the fallen Tennos' Warframes, and the result is the Stalker Warframe we see now. 

[vaugahn]

I see it as the stalker being a prototype, maybe a vounteer, maybe a peasant orokin, sent off to the void. Perhaps he was an exceptional example, but held his tounge, the tenno deying them their stature as warriors given the task of being guardians for the tenno that were sent off after many trials of void exposure. After years of holding back he struck. serendipitous.

 

Why else would he have so much passion. Why would he have so much power? The Corpus, can't seem to do anything with warframe technology despite Def Anyo stockpiling cryopods. But one lowly orokin in a frame can? Doesn't make any sense.

 

Based off the entry for stalker and the tooltip for despair, stalker has been around a while and has gear designed to kill frames. Also, we don't know if there's one stalker or many stalkers either.

[DirkDeadeye]

I think it is more plausible that he assassinated a Tenno and obtained the Tenno's frame, then murdered a few more and modified his frame to the Stalker Warframe we see now. 

 

If it was that easy, Def Anyo would have an army of warframes. Because lotus has said he's been stockpiling crypods.

 

Present said army.

 

Hell, Alad V. For that matter.

Edited July 1, 2014 by DirkDeadeye

[Ionus]

I see it as the stalker being a prototype, maybe a vounteer, maybe a peasant orokin, sent off to the void. Perhaps he was an exceptional example, but held his tounge, the tenno deying them their stature as warriors given the task of being guardians for the tenno that were sent off after many trials of void exposure. After years of holding back he struck. serendipitous.

 

Why else would he have so much passion. Why would he have so much power? The Corpus, can't seem to do anything with warframe technology despite Def Anyo stockpiling cryopods. But one lowly orokin in a frame can? Doesn't make any sense.

 

There is nothing that we have to back off this claim. All we know about the Stalker is that he was present during the Tenno betrayal of the Orokin, he was some sort of Orokin soldier, and he has been around and awake since then.

[Renegade343]

Based off the entry for stalker and the tooltip for despair, stalker has been around a while and has gear designed to kill frames. Also, we don't know if there's one stalker or many stalkers either.

Must be just one Stalker. 

 

After all, that would explain why he took so long to find and hunt us. 

[Ionus]

If it was that easy, Def Anyo would have an army of warframes. Because lotus has said he's been stockpiling crypods.

 

Present said army.

 

Hell, Alad V. For that matter.

 

One problem: Nef isn't Orokin and has no means to turn Orokin into Tenno.

[Renegade343]

If it was that easy, Def Anyo would have an army of warframes. Because lotus has said he's been stockpiling crypods.

 

Present said army.

 

Hell, Alad V. For that matter.

It could have been a Tenno that trusted the Stalker and did not suspect that the Stalker would assassinate him. Once Stalker wore the Tenno's frame, he used that to assassinate a few more Tenno, a bit like a spy. 

Edited July 1, 2014 by Renegade343

[DirkDeadeye]

Aside from the accepted consensus and what is currently accepted (I say currently because a change can happen at any time), the bottom line is we do not know.

 

We have the exposition, but we don't have the explanation or the meaning or the minute details. We have ambiguity. One good thing that can be said of this is that it gets us talking and clearly hyped around the story.

 

yeah I agree. I love open ended stories. I just don't like when people try to slam the book shut on me. :(

[PrimedWrath]

Dirk, here's how it went down, and this is based on the Codex:

 

The Orokin were at war with the Sentients. The Sentients were beating the Orokin, using all of their weapons against them. Then, in their desperation they turned to the Void, the "hellspace" that their science and reason couldn't comprehend. They sent kids on the Zariman, into the Void. The ship returned from the Void. The Orokin established a quarantine, and sent Kaleen to investigate. Kaleen, an Orokin military officer, found the kids, touched them in an attempt to comfort them, and got burned and disfigured. She gave her report to her superiors. The Orokin took the kids, and when these kids grew up (doubt they put the kids in the frames), the Orokin built warframes for these Tenno, these rejects (obviously rejected by society). They gave the Tenno swords and guns, and sent them as post-human warrior-gods to defeat the Sentients. Excalibur was the first. The Tenno did not fight alone, but alongside Orokin soldiers.

 

The Tenno helped the Orokin win the war against the Sentients. The Tenno were celebrated at the Terminus. The Stalker, at this point just a low Guardian, watched the celebration with the other low Guardians. Ten Naga drum beats were to sound in celebration of the Tenno victory. At the ninth beat, the Tenno turned on the Orokin. According to leaked, datamined text, the Lotus was the one who had the Tenno kill the Orokin "tyrants" in order to bring balance to the system. After they did this, they slept in cryopods, to be awoken when the system was once again out of balance. The Stalker, however, did not sleep. Most likely, he killed an Excalibur while the Tenno slept, stealing his warframe. He, and those like him, waited until the Tenno reawoke. When they did reawake, the Stalker began hunting the Tenno, dividing their numbers. Why? Because he considers their actions to be sins. This is why he hunts Tenno for the assassination of bosses in the system. He considers them murders, an added item to the Tenno's list of sins, the first sin being the betrayal of the Orokin.

 

There you go. The only speculation in that is how the Stalker gets an Excalibur warframe. Because either he kills a Tenno to get it, or he makes his own just like an Excalibur frame.

I don't get it why would the Tenno listen to the Lotus anyway. What does the Lotus say to have the means to bring order to the system? What did the Orokin do that was injustice, if you can answer to this problem of the Lotus?

Edited July 1, 2014 by MEGANOLD

[DirkDeadeye]

One problem: Nef isn't Orokin and has no means to turn Orokin into Tenno.

 

Orokins were just humans during the Orokin era. People are suggesting it's as simple as stripping a suit off and wearing it.

 

also, you're saying an orokin can don a warframe. Orokin is a Human during the Orokin Era. A Corpus is a human existing in the Proto Corpus Consortium or whatever the hell they call themselves.

Edited July 1, 2014 by DirkDeadeye

[Ionus]

I don't get it why would the Tenno listen to the Lotus anyway. What does the Lotus say to have the means to bring order to the system? What did the Orokin do that was injustice if you can answer to this problem of the Lotus?

 

A plausible "injustice" was their continued reign over the entire solar system. This would go against the Tenno virtue of "balance." Therefore, they had to be broken down.

[OniDax]

TC-Guardian, nothing says the Orokin were non-Sentient. Nothing says when the Sentients arrived, or if they were there all along. Nothing says the Orokin weren't human. In fact, what we do know points to the contrary, that they were human, and that they were humanity that came from Earth. There was even some dialogue from one of the Grineer bosses that basically says the Corpus are dumb when it comes to Orokin stuff despite their "heritage", suggesting that the Corpus are what remains of the Orokin empire. Nothing says the Sentients tried to take power from the Orokin. We don't know what the Tenno were taught by the Orokin. The Stalker isn't a low level guardian. You do not see that phrase in the Codex. He specifically says "low Guardian". That's not a classification of Low Guardian, as if there were Low Guardians and High Guardians. No, he says low Guardian, indicating that the Guardians were considered low. This is most likely a contrast between the Guardians and the Tenno, and signifies that the Tenno were seen as high when compared to the Guardians; the Tenno were viewed higher than the Guardians, who were not esteemed as well as the Tenno.

 

So no, not everything you said was "fact". Again, given where the Stalker was during this ceremony, who he was with, and his characterization of the Tenno, he. was. not. a. Tenno. Nor was he a Tenno trainer. He was a Guardian. That is what he was. Were these the Temple Guards? I don't know, but probably not, as those were "Temple Guards" and not "Guardians". But it's possible that the Guardians included the Temple Guards. But the Tenno weren't Guardians. The Guardians weren't being celebrated. The Tenno were. Stalker was a Guardian. Why? Because he doesn't say he was with the Guardians. He says that he was with the rest of the Guardians. Meaning that he's one of them. It doesn't make sense for the Stalker to have had a Warframe that was given to him by the Orokin. We know that the Orokin made the Warframes for the Tenno. The only possibilities are that the Stalker stole one from a Tenno or that he made one himself. And his isn't a mix of Nyx, Ash, and Excalibur. It's an Excalibur frame, modded with powers of Nyx, Ash, and Excalibur.

Edited July 1, 2014 by AntoineFlemming