Ignore Rng For One Moment: I Tried Getting Loki And Bo Prime And Every Step Along The Way Was Hellish

[Innocent_Flower]

This isn't just RNG's problem

 

Prime access is too much for me. I'm 19, poor, finished school recently, likely to be in debt next year and everything around me is more expensive and more demanding. That's not to say that I've never spent money on warframe (i've got enough hours in this, i can justify a few purchases at 50% off with the steam wallet money I've had forever) but I'm going to say that prime access is out of the question for me. If there wasn't the first issue, we'd have the second issue; I don't want to support DE for doing the wrong thing and prime access, as it is now, is the wrong thing. 

 

The fact that DE have a team that does nothing but churn out new items when realy we need more teams on core gameplay mechanics irks me, But the real issue is this: DE purposely make the grind for new prime releases hell. 

 

T2 MD and T2 capture parts are fine. 

 

T4 exterminate and defence are bad. 

 

Survival is... Well, players actually need the addictive personality of the worst gambler on the planet combined with the patience of buddha to live through it. 

 

 

 

 

 

T4 keys are nightmares

- Interception has potential as a gamemode, but it's painfuly obvious that any potential there has not been realised. 

 

- Three- four rounds for a key is depressing. The gamemode is repetitive and it doesn't get much harder. 

 

- I've never gotten a key that I've wanted.

 

-Most of them have been T4 interception. I don't want T4 interception. That reminds me; Why isn't there a T1/2/3 interception? Why is there just a t4 interception? *mutters curses* 

 

- Watching the recruiting channel go by is frustrating. You rarely see a T4 option and if you do; It's not for a gamemode you're looking for; It's interception, capture, mobile defence...stuff that doesn't offer impressive rewards that you can't get elsewhere.  Defences are few and you're simply not going to see survivals or Exterminates.

 

-In the event that someone does have a good t4 key, they're probably going to keep invitation within their clan. Sucks for me; My large multinational mountain clan rarely has more than a half dozen online at a time. Is warframe dying? 

 

 

 

 

 

Survival? That's worse (and t4 survival is a combination of both. The holy grail is easier to obtain than loki's helmet) 

 

- Game rotates reward tables. You can get Loki helmet and chassis every twenty waves. We've got table A, B and C. Only instead we use A twice. AABCAABC. See 15 waves (ABC) would be better for players. So would ABCCCCC 

 

- Twenty waves is boring and too much time for many people. Fourty waves is even more boring and is too much time for most people. Sixty waves? Insane. 

 

- A/B/C drop tables are horrendously skewered. A drops one or two things. B drops a little more. C is diluted with everything. 

 

- Even with the C drop tables you get the option of not-getting-prime. I recently went a game where we got two frost helmets and then nothing but rare fusion cores. Wave 40 fusion cores were even unranked just to add insult. 

 

- I've noticed that In t4 survival the enemy has deployed a tactic to excellent effect: Not showing up. T4 survival's danger isn't in the enemy, it's the lack of oxygen that would have been on the enemy. you NEED to bring a good neky for T4 survival. You NEED one member of the party to do the honourable thing and become the super squishy guy who's only on the team for desecrate. 

 

- These overlong expeditions into survival territory have made the community worse. It was present with t3 defence and survival in the old days but now we've got it happening with tier-1 Want to join a game? tell them your mastery rank and frame of choice. Ain't a problem for me with every frame and MR-12; But most players aren't me with every frame and a two digit mastery rank. Even worse is the fact that I sometimes feel like a member of this gestapo; saw a guy in t4 survival. rank 6, rhino and dread equipped.Bad secondary and melee.  His only other frame was saryn and he "didn't like mainstream frames" (irony)  I had serious doubts that he should be playing with me. Even when I join a T1 survival i put on a grim face and wonder if they're hardcore loons like myself doing it for the rewards or if they're just exploring the void. I'm starting to see all survival games as needing to end at either 20 or 40 and that anywhere below, between or above is just a waste of time. 

 

 

Step back a moment. I'm only doing this for the rewards. This isn't fun anymore. This is just bad game design. DE will loose players like this. 

 

If anyone were to donate me a bo handle or loki chasis/helmet, I'd be appreciative. I'd probably be more appreciative if DE were to make WF less about the grind and work on the gameplay a bit though.  

 

 

TL;DR

- gamemodes are too long and repetitive. 

- community goes bad because even in T1 survival players must get to the 20 or 40 min marks. Meaning everyone is scrutinized and players are less friendly. 

- T4 is still a bad idea. 

- AABC rotations need to go

​- C rotations shouldn't be diluted with everything whilst A and B are almost empty. 

Edited July 3, 2014 by Innocent_Flower

[Marshall]

TL;DR RNG is a b#tch

[V45H]

just hope perfect world entertainment doesn't get there hands on warframe :l

Edited July 2, 2014 by V45H

[thegamer118]

the rng suck but it s not impossible

[LordMidnightX]

the prices on the trading tab are pretty low now, If you are able to do t4 then I assume you got some stuff you can sell. Or max a mod and sell it and buy the parts you want. I am not saying that the drops are great. I might just be pretty lucky because I farmed a lot of my primes usually in less then 20 runs. Sometimes more but still, seriously try trading for the stuff. 

 

note I have not bought plat since trading was added

[OverlordMcGeek]

Its just RNG doesn't like you at all. I love new updates! I have sold T4 ext for 8 plat each or in bundles of 3 for 5 plat each. When I chose to not sell a t4 key i got the bo handle on my first go at a t4 ext ever! Loki prime has been the same RNGesus has been favoring for a month now. 

[Palor0]

just hope perfect world entertainment doesn't get there hands on warframe :l

Thankfully this will never happen.  If it did, I would quit.

[Khranitel]

I have a feeling that after recent events (even if it plays out well for DE), DE will lose a significant part of player base, that will just stop and ask themselves "Why I'm still here".

 

TL;DR RNG is a b#tch

RNG is NOT a problem, contrary to popular belief.

Tediousness and repetitiveness of missions IS.

I'm perfectly ok to do 40 missions in a row to get what I need, IF those missions are somewhat entertaining and not boring and dull.

But hey, kubrows!.. not.

Edited July 2, 2014 by Khranitel

[edryuu]

just blame it on the "DILUTION AND RNG CRAP"

[Nemorac]

I have a feeling that after recent events (even if it plays out well for DE), DE will lose a significant part of player base, that will just stop and ask themselves "Why I'm still here".

 

RNG is NOT a problem, contrary to popular belief.

Tediousness and repetitiveness of missions IS.

 

Truthfully I'd think both are the problem.  The tediousness of the mission is exacerbated by the fact that you HAVE to end up running things multiple times because, guess what, you didn't get what you needed because RNG hates your guts.

[SharkWithALaserBeam]

still waiting for that wyrm cerebrum.

Sigh i have better chances at begging for it

[--Q--uaint]

Truthfully I'd think both are the problem.  The tediousness of the mission is exacerbated by the fact that you HAVE to end up running things multiple times because, guess what, you didn't get what you needed because RNG hates your guts.

 

Quoted for truth.

[Innocent_Flower]

Updated the title. 

 

My main issues are more that gamemodes are too long, that they make the community unkind. RNG is there. 

[Shousa]

I kinda agree with OP. T1 Survival for me is getting other keys. I cant tell how many times T1 surv till 30-35 mins 4 of rewards are keys.

Edited July 3, 2014 by Shousa

[Monolake]

Its supposed to be hard to get. 

All you say is "long and repetitive, boring, boring, boring..."

If you find the game as boring as you say why do you even bother playing? Why do you need just another cosmetic update that is Loki Prime if it sounds like you dont even want to play the game. Loki prime wont make the game any more fun for you. 

[Khranitel]

Its supposed to be hard to get. 

All you say is "long and repetitive, boring, boring, boring..."

If you find the game as boring as you say why do you even bother playing? Why do you need just another cosmetic update that is Loki Prime if it sounds like you dont even want to play the game. Loki prime wont make the game any more fun for you. 

Because we're all hooked, thats why.

Ever heard of 'gambling addiction'?

[Innocent_Flower]

Tried again. 60 mins of nothing but fusion cores and paris parts. 

[notlamprey]

My current hope is that I'll be able to sell off all the less valuable / extra prime parts I'm amassing, and use that platinum to trade for Loki Prime / other stuff.

 

It seems as though there will always be some parts that are far more difficult for solo players to get their hands on, and maybe relying on trade as a safety valve is the best option we can hope for.

 

I'd like to think it isn't, but a lot of suggestions have been made and now the ball is in DE's court to see whether something can be made from them.

[HuzzelMuzzel]

For me T4 is fine, except for the key farming - it takes too much time/is to boring.

 

But 20/40/60 minutes just to roll the dice once is so frustrating.

[DoomFruit]

I've said this before and I'll say it again.

 

The problem is the combination of worthless crap in the drop tables (non-Forma duplicates, cores, resources, keys), very uneven drop chances and the pointless rotation system. Fix that and everything will get better - no need for tokens, reward history-weighted RNG or any other band-aids like that, no need to add more missions. But it's not going to happen. We've got a pretty strong history of grind here and I see no signs that it's ever going to get better.

 

I've already given up because of this - when encountering the furore about PW taking over, my first thought was "beware of what you wish for", because deep down, I actually *did* want Warframe to die bleeding out its players from horrible grind.

[FloraGreen]

I would say they should make it possible to get the T4 keys in another way than the Interceptions or/and at least make it a high chance reward after round one or two. It takes nearly 12-15 minutes to get a T4 key and you can nearly be sure that the key you get is not the one you wanna play. And if you are looking for a reward in the T4 capture or exterminate, you get R5 core pack 3/4 of the time as a "reward" for the time used.

This T4 key stuff have kinda killed the interception missions for me.

[Liqier]

I wrote topic about farming nightmare you just need more patience . I know some ppl have better luck with new prime gear , for example my clanmates droped like few parts in less then 10 runs  ,  1 of them 2 loki chassis on 7 runs ) , second one dropped 3 helmets in 11 runs from what i remember . My in game friend told me its a bigger chance (maybe someone can confirm this ) when you doing runs with more / less ppl (depend how many ppl you usually take to the void)

 

 

And have to mention im also cant afford real money to warframe as much im living in poland ... for me 1000 plat for example = 50 pln ( with -75 % discount ) average payment from job here is ~1200-1400  pln so try to imagine how high is price for me , but i found daopay payment option from cell phone , let me explain what im aiming for : i have a contract with operator that force me to charge my cell phone 40 pln per month , so i saved some money on phone and bought my 1 k plat :) In this days everyone have cell phone charge it as you always do but try to save some cash and w8 for -75 % discount 

Edited July 4, 2014 by Liqier

[DoomFruit]

I wrote topic about farming nightmare you just need more patience . I know some ppl have better luck with new prime gear , for example my clanmates droped like few parts in less then 10 runs  ,  1 of them 2 loki chassis on 7 runs ) , second one dropped 3 helmets in 11 runs from what i remember . My in game friend told me its a bigger chance (maybe someone can confirm this ) when you doing runs with more / less ppl (depend how many ppl you usually take to the void)

Then your in-game friend knows nothing about the drop chances. The drop tables are deliberately unbalanced (leading to much more grind standing in the way of some parts than others) and there is nothing you can do about it. You got it in 7 runs, but that's a statistical anomaly.

[Methanoid]

primes arent "needed/must have" warframes, theres exactly no gaming difference between loki and loki prime, ive taken upwards of 4months to get some missing prime parts before, thats just how RNG goes.

 

your either lucky or not, but were certainly not entitled to anything esp in a short space of time, also the recruiting channel is there exactly for key shortages, some1 else is always hosting.

 

i believe the oldschool way of dealing with any of these artificial issues is to "man up and deal with it", thats just how things work and have done for quite some time, we certainly arent missing out on anything with regards to primes.