[Focus] Will Existing Rank30+ Xp Matter?

[holyicon]

I'm actually of two minds on this but was wondering what D.E.'s course of action will be concerning the Focus Path System and Frame/Weapon Xp that has already been earned at the Lv30 ranking.

Will they (A:) ignore this Xp. Asking players that have already gained (read: grind for). Perhaps even script resetting the Xp stat of these items at the Rank 30 mark? Thus allowing each player a fresh experience and not becoming overwhelmed or mistake prone when assigning points?

Or (B:) retroactively apply this earned accumulation of experience, allowing veteran players a deeper initial step into the new system. Maybe all the better to quickly catch bugs and exploits?

I'm actually fine with either of these possibilities, but the question itself is something I find of great importance seeing as how Focus is going to be a very important part of the game. And having watched all the current Dev Streams (through 31 at this point), we've heard nothing (or at least I have missed somehow) if they have any plans on hos they will be handling this aspect of the addition.

It more specifically matters (going forward and approaching the eventual roll-out) to players that are planning their arsenal. Foreknowledge of either direction would be beneficial to many a player.

Perhaps D.E. has yet to pick a direction, or perhaps they're anticipating feedback on the matter? So tell me, Tenno. What say you?

 

 

 

EDIT: After reading some of the responces, I think I will proceedunder the assumption that all players will start the focus system at the same point, and only XP gained post-update will count. Thanks everybody, and I hope this thread helps some people ^^

Edited July 5, 2014 by holyicon

[rayzwingz]

could you explain the focus system to someone that knows nothing about it?:)

[(PSN)IIIDevoidIII]

I'd say, since these focus points will likely be far and few between, existing xp used should be fine, except we won't get the same experience that players new to this system would get.

 

So I'm same on your opinion. I wouldn't mind either way.

[Olematon.Mies]

I Highly doubt that veterans will get a head start in the focus system. 

 

Think about it this way - how fair is it for the vet to instantly get 9001 focus points because they has all things rank 30 since day 1, while the other guy who just barely got their stuff to 30 gets none at all and has to earn them later? 

 

 

If anything, everyone should start from point 0 once it comes out. 

[holyicon]

could you explain the focus system to someone that knows nothing about it?:)

 

As I understand it. When you gain XP on a Rank 30 weapon, it is applied to a pool that can later be spent to buy upgrades along a specific path within a progression system. The perks you buy will mainly revolve around the old Tenno cults (the polarization symbols are actually based on these too).

The perks aren't stat upgrades, but rather they wil allow you to energizes various aspects of your Warframe and Weapons better or in new/unique ways.

Basically it's like Upgrading your "Tenno" rather than a specific Frame or Weapon.

[Retrikaethan]

no, they probably wont as the lenses will be some kind of mod (going by one of the ancient retribution bugs, showed as a lens in one of it's more recent iterations) and i would figure the lens has to be on the thing to get the experience.

[Leland_Gaunt]

I really really hope it'll be retroactive.

[holyicon]

no, they probably wont as the lenses will be some kind of mod (going by one of the ancient retribution bugs, showed as a lens in one of it's more recent iterations) and i would figure the lens has to be on the thing to get the experience.

 

Ahh. That's an aspect I hadn't become aware of until just now.

So, as you gain Xp on a Rank 30 item, the XP is "focused" on the path you have equipped a Lens. ?

This would essentially render any previous XP (and my queation as to how it would be handled) effectively moot.

Thanks for the info ^^

 

[(PSN)IIIDevoidIII]

The issue with giving feedback, is that I'm unsure of how much information I am allowed to give on this system, how much has been released.

[Killist]

Does the game record excess xp somewhere?

If we look at our profiles, the only xp we find is the total xp gathered for each weapon/frame.

It doesn't seem to account for forma xp.

 

I agree with Retrikaethan. We prolly need to equip the lens on a max level weapon/frame for the xp to count.

[MeduSalem]

I also doubt we will get a headstart... some very, very experienced veterans might hit the cap of the Focus system the day it rolls out and will complain about how there's nothing left to do for them.

 

The only way DE is able to avoid that is if they would have a cap that is ridiculously far away. In that case it almost doesn't matter if you have a headstart or not. It would almost feel like you had none.

 

[edit]

 

Does the game record excess xp somewhere?

If we look at our profiles, the only xp we find is the total xp gathered for each weapon/frame.

It doesn't seem to account for forma xp.

 

I agree with Retrikaethan. We prolly need to equip the lens on a max level weapon/frame for the xp to count.

 

The total xp minus the needed xp to get to 30 would be the excess XP. Also they keep track of how often you forma'd something. So it could be done retroactively if they wanted to.

Edited July 5, 2014 by MeduSalem

[DJ_Redwire]

Well, as much as I would like all of that extra XP I've collected for various weapons and frames to count towards something, I do think that if given the choice, the better option is for everyone to start off on equal footing. 

[(PSN)IIIDevoidIII]

The total xp minus the needed xp to get to 30 would be the excess XP. Also they keep track of how often you forma'd something. So it could be done retroactively if they wanted to.

Also, to add on to that, a warframe takes about 900k mastery, and weapons take about 500k.

[locojuan]

well, if it is retroactive veterans would have a huge advantage over the newest players. not a thing that worries me actually. The thing is, if it is retroactive we miss the chance to experience the system progress as players, thus creating less feedback on the "feeling" about the progress itself.
DE could test how it works if you had all the points and lenses by console adding. so that part of the experience is covered. i'd say then it would be smarter to have all players experience the system from a 0 points perspective. better feedback, and at the same time deals with the advantage issue.

Edited July 5, 2014 by locojuan

[L3G3ND4R3]

Though I am not sure about the status of the focus system now, I too was very much concerned with this issue and during one of the more recent Prime-Time episodes Steve was answering questions in the chat. Naturally, I asked him about xp already earned on frames and he stated that none of this xp would count toward the focus system, and everyone would be starting with a clean slate. Though somewhat disappointed as a veteran player I can definitely see his reasoning for this. I guess it'll give everyone something to work for though. Again, this is likely subject to change, but the last i heard from the devs, this is the case. 

[(PSN)IIIDevoidIII]

Though I am not sure about the status of the focus system now, I too was very much concerned with this issue and during one of the more recent Prime-Time episodes Steve was answering questions in the chat. Naturally, I asked him about xp already earned on frames and he stated that none of this xp would count toward the focus system, and everyone would be starting with a clean slate. Though somewhat disappointed as a veteran player I can definitely see his reasoning for this. I guess it'll give everyone something to work for though. Again, this is likely subject to change, but the last i heard from the devs, this is the case. 

Cool, thanks for the info.

Edited July 5, 2014 by (PS4)IIIDevoidIII

[quietcanary]

Maikkeli do you understand what fair means? No offense but if you prefer the other side of the coin which is resetting the points arguing its fairness isn't the way to go since that probably the biggest reason to not reset the points. Saying it would be easier or simplier is probably right but fair? It sort of makes sense since people who haven't been wasting xp with already leveled weapons wouldnt be as far into the focus system as people who have already been forced to waste xp when they had nothing to level, and would have to watch people run around with abilities they haven't unlocked but when you compare which party would really be suffering more it seems very clear to me which would be more fair. Not to disrespect your choice but if you want to claim fairness as your argument you might want to rethink that.

 

Edit: I like the idea of getting the points retroactively. I never assumed they wouldn't do it this way. That's sort of the whole point of the system. It would be silly to be like "we heard you are tired of wasting your time with nothing left to level and to fix that here's a system you can work on if you have spare xp but never mind all the time that's already been wasted and take this shiny toy. Go level it up like all the other people who just finished there last non leveled gear and have fun."

 

Edit2: Steve said that? Well that sucks. When things are "subject to change" and its coming from de that usually just means they are not going to change it unless unless everyone complains and until then they wont confirm it solidly so that people don't have any ground to stand on when they DO complain.

Edited July 5, 2014 by quietcanary

[Trajhenkhetlive]

If it's tied to item leveling, that would be bad to not apply it retroactively (you basically reward verteran frame players for not playing your game or at least not leveling new weapons until the update), if it's a seperate metric entirely based on use and has it's own xp meter sepearate from from gear level then it would be ok to start everyone at 0. The mastery ranks for items are earned by everyone and all parts of the new system should be tested asap both high and low level play as quick as possible. To lock out the already maxed rank items from focus just because they were fairly ranked before Focus is kind of counter productive. It creates an inconsistency for the game. You'll have max ranked items that don't apply to the new system even though by game rules it should and a non utilised group of people to test the late progression of focus off the bat.

[-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS-]

I Highly doubt that veterans will get a head start in the focus system. 

 

Think about it this way - how fair is it for the vet to instantly get 9001 focus points because they has all things rank 30 since day 1, while the other guy who just barely got their stuff to 30 gets none at all and has to earn them later? 

 

 

If anything, everyone should start from point 0 once it comes out.

It would be very fair. The point of the focus system is to enjoy perks for XP gained after leveling past rank 30 the first time.

So you think dumping all of everyone's XP since the beginning of the game is right?

[(PSN)IIIDevoidIII]

If it's tied to item leveling, that would be bad to not apply it retroactively (you basically reward verteran frame players for not playing your game or at least not leveling new weapons until the update), if it's a seperate metric entirely based on use and has it's own xp meter sepearate from from gear level then it would be ok to start everyone at 0. The mastery ranks for items are earned by everyone and all parts of the new system should be tested asap both high and low level play as quick as possible. To lock out the already maxed rank items from focus just because they were fairly ranked before Focus is kind of counter productive. It creates an inconsistency for the game. You'll have max ranked items that don't apply to the new system even though by game rules it should and a non utilised group of people to test the late progression of focus off the bat.

The xp earned toward a focus point is excess xp after leveling items to 30. So, veteran players get a light advantage over new players, but still would get to experience the focus system from 0, if not retroactively rewarded.

[Azawarau]

Of course its fair for vets to start off ahead

 

Making them grind every weapon again is totally unfair

 

If its based on mastery vets should get a head start and not have to regrind for it

 

On the other hand its perfectly fair for everyone to start off on the same level and work up

 

Vets shouldnt have to redo every weapon for it though

 

Thats getting screwed by definition

[(PSN)GotNUGS]

I hope my time spent will count for something. I look back on this game, for which I have 900 hours played, and simply wish I was rewarded with more character progression. Yes, the playing was fun while it lasted, but less and less do I feel playing is worth my time, since I have everything maxed with about 400 forma applied between frames and weapons. So, for me to continue, I don't want to feel like I spent all this time playing, when a new player could get the game, and get everything I have in 900 hours, PLUS a ton of focus points I would not be given(if DE decides not to give us veterans Focus for accrued bonus xp).

[DaiDragon]

I really hope that the existing XP will count, don't really see a reason why it shouldn't as it is already tracked. But as someone with over 100-200 Mill xp on 10-15 guns/frames/sentinels I hope it doesn't just vanish.

[Trajhenkhetlive]

The xp earned toward a focus point is excess xp after leveling items to 30. So, veteran players get a light advantage over new players, but still would get to experience the focus system from 0, if not retroactively rewarded.

 

I guess this ones a push in my book. Technically the game doesn't account for XP after rank 30 for items. Nothing is really lost on vets if they have to re earn xp in excess of the rank 30 item. So as far as fair goes either way is ok. Now for testing purposes, if DE is recording how much total xp each player has accumulated for each weapon already, they should give retroactive points to get assorted progressions testing all points of the system. I was more concerned we'd have level 30 items that could not gain focus, but that is most assuradely not happening.

[Katakuna]

I don't see why it would.  It would just make vets blaze through content even faster than they already do, which is always exactly what should be strived for when it comes to game longevity.