Garuger Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) Or add the damage reduction effect from Overheat to World on Fire itself (with a cap of 50%-70% of course). Now you basically have old Overheat + WoF combo back and you only have to press one button this time. And give also at fireblast the same effect as he fire eximus has were they make a ring and everythuing it hits causes a knocks back at it Edited July 7, 2014 by Garuger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealPandemonium Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Vargras, my friend, you should know better than to feed this plague with more threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garuger Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Vargras, my friend, you should know better than to feed this plague with more threads. He came to my thread also ; _ ; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I'd honestly bring Overheat into Fire Blast. Make it so that as long as Ember is inside a Fire Blast, she has old Overheat DR. It would give a purpose to Fire Blast, since that skill is crap. Thats not a bad idea but making her limited in mobility will hurt Its a decent saving skill i guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break-Away Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 There's been a multitude of Ember buff topics lately, and at their very core, all of them are about one thing. Overheat. Now, I'm not going to deny that Ember could use a buff (Fireblast, ugh), but almost every topic I find is more or less about how Ember is now bad because she doesn't have Overheat anymore, and everything requires her to be at close range, etc. etc. While Overheat had some potential, it was horribly broken (90% damage reduction or higher, as well as constant nearby damage, is kinda nuts), and I personally think the game is better off without it -- however, I'm saying this as someone who never got to experience it first-hand. I picked up my Ember after Overheat had been replaced by Accelerant (which I do enjoy). So, I'm asking those of you who did get to use Overheat: What's the deal with Overheat, and why do you want it back so badly? It allowed me to actually use melee when I was playing with Ember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberpaw Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 He came to my thread also ; _ ; and mine... and mine... and mine... and mine (4 threads) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towermice Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Valkyr and rhino cant sport near as high DPS with powers as Ember your guns do higher DPS than all three of them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderius Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 and mine... and mine... and mine... and mine (4 threads) So why are you making 4 threads about the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) your guns do higher DPS than all three of them... Valkyr with a gun? Only the best guns can outdamage the best melee if you know how to mod melee properly Im not sure about guns VS WoF in terms of raw DPS Edited July 8, 2014 by Azawarau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garuger Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 So why are you making 4 threads about the same thing? To get attetion from DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) To get attetion from DE Ill just leave this here EDIT After thinking more i think this truly shows what alot of this forum is like ._. Edited July 8, 2014 by Azawarau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberpaw Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 So why are you making 4 threads about the same thing? different stuff first was valkyr hysteria 2nd was ember accelerant 3rd was a suggestion for an ember fireblast change and the 4th..was for Nyx psybolts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderius Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 different stuff first was valkyr hysteria 2nd was ember accelerant 3rd was a suggestion for an ember fireblast change and the 4th..was for Nyx psybolts Oh so you're just saying that Vargras is just not supposed to be posting in threads? Because you're making special note of it. So clearly there's a reason why. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 different stuff first was valkyr hysteria 2nd was ember accelerant 3rd was a suggestion for an ember fireblast change and the 4th..was for Nyx psybolts I haven't even posted in half of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderius Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I haven't even posted in half of those. He's probably stalking you. Fun. Overheat brought her kit together. Way too well. She will probably be updated. But not so immediately, before poor Oberon, who suffers many more issues. I've been playing Ember to level her through a couple Forma, and I haven't struggled at all, the only issue I run into is feeling like I need to reload after firing off several Fireballs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrojiji Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Fire damage is pretty much useless, so Accelerate is completely unnecessary, I don't think i've seen anyone use it ever (except for when they cast WoF). Fireblast is just so bad and unfitting, why have a defensive skill for an offensive caster. Fireball doesn't scale well at all. With accelerant you can deal massive amounts of damage by doing nothing and just having WoF on. More. if you mod your weapon let's say ....Viral or Corrosive and Heat.... that Heat part is so strong with Accelerant so that the DPS of that weapon surpasses any other loadout by far. Remember that on rifles and shotguns we have 3 fire mods now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG3000 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 In short, because Overheat made Ember a pretty freaking amazing CQC tanky-mage, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who liked the idea of her NOT being tailored to the stereotype of a squishy glass cannon. 90% dr gave you ability to use her as a DPS frame rather than burst, with her ultimate whittling down enemies around while Overheat allowed you to survive. It wasn't really OP because you could still be stagger-locked and CC'd, and you would get whittled down over time. Well, at least until corrupted mods came along and allowed it to surpass the 91% cap it had previously with only Foc... I mean Intensify. And instead of just adding a 90% hardcap onto it, and maybe some other limiters, like, say, lowered shield regen while under it, or affecting range/damage of other abilities while it's active, Scott decided to trash it alltogether and give us Accelerant. Which was kind of a spit in the face of everyone who already got Ember, because the playstyle she had got thrown out of the window pretty much, to be replaced with a S#&$ty glass cannon that needs to hug her enemies gameplay. So it's not really about Accelerant being that bad, it's about Overheat being a chance for something unique, that got thrown away because Scott felt like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 90% dr gave you ability to use her as a DPS frame rather than burst, with her ultimate whittling down enemies around while Overheat allowed you to survive. It wasn't really OP because you could still be stagger-locked and CC'd, and you would get whittled down over time. So 90% DR with constant AOE damage "wasn't really OP"? Uh huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG3000 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 So 90% DR with constant AOE damage "wasn't really OP"? Uh huh. Well that constant AoE damage of WoF was quite low if you got out of Kappa. Barely noticeable on T3, even, dare I say. Sure, you could run around and cut out lvl 10 enemies like they weren't even there with WoF, but that doesn't really make it OP, not more OP than bringing pimped out frames with best mods to kill lvl 20 now - they might as well not be there. That, and Overheat's own AoE was barely there at all. If you hugged enemies enough to get it to do damage, you got stunlocked, shredded with "weak claw attacks" and whatnot, it was there mostly for slight stagger it provided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Lord_Gremlin Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 It wasn't even good. Without overheat she's nigh unplayable. Unless you've come up with a build for T4 void, if so pray tell us. I'd say return overheat and buff overheat. She has abilities of a tank caster, like Saryn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG3000 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 It wasn't even good. Without overheat she's nigh unplayable. Unless you've come up with a build for T4 void, if so pray tell us. I'd say return overheat and buff overheat. She has abilities of a tank caster, like Saryn. I'm afraid there already are people out there who run T4 with ember and look at everyone in surprise. I imagine it involves pressing "2" a lot to stunlock enemies, or getting the 500% modifier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealPandemonium Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I see this thread has entered the "I never bothered to try to make new Ember work so she's useless for everyone" stage of its life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 I see this thread has entered the "I never bothered to try to make new Ember work so she's useless for everyone" stage of its life. Like I said, every Ember topic is basically "Ember needs Overheat or she's garbage". Nevermind the fact that Accelerant is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayzemet Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Meh never used ember after the overheat removal. My heart was broken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break-Away Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Like I said, every Ember topic is basically "Ember needs Overheat or she's garbage". Nevermind the fact that Accelerant is better. That's subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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