The Lotus Doesn't Seem To Make Sense.

[Zantos54]

I have been listening to the lotus sometimes and what she says doesn't add up. For starters, with a t4 intercept I did she kept referring to reinforcements being on the way. However, no one ever showed up. Why does she keep telling us that reinforcements are on the way if they never arrive? Then in some orokin derelict exterminate runs she instructed us to find the source of the infestation and eliminate it. It then occurred to me that we never do. We never actually find the source, we just kill the infected that are there then move on.

 

Then during another intercpet she asks if we wish to "return to the field" or something to that effect. I am sitting there like, we never left, why does she ask if we want to return to a place that we were already at. During the intercept missions she says to intercept the messages yet never tell us why they are so important.

 

During exterminate missions, or any mission really, she tells us a large group is ahead of us. That is useful info. Then she will say "its the grineer". That is usually a big Duh since when she says it, we are in their base. Another thing is she says "there is a large robotic signature ahead", but there never is a Large one. Only the normal small ones. Also it is odd that during boss missions she tells us about the boss. Its really nice, I like that, but wouldn't she want to tell us about our enemy before we are already shooting him? Its like telling us that he likes to use fire after hes already thrown a good 5 fireballs at our faces.

 

Maybe I'm just weird or odd. Just seems a bit silly what she says most of the time. It doesn't make sense in context. I mean, like asking us to find a source and we never do or telling us theres grineer ahead when we are obviously in a grineer base.

[izzatuw]

This belongs to feedback and the intercept one is probably a bug

[(PSN)lll-URBAN-III]

DU NOT QUESTION LOTUS

Next time she talks look at her chin, don't you think it's nice?

It'll make your doubts go away

[PixalatedVortex]

the intercept one makes perfect sense the reinforcements "show up" when the mission ends

 

 

the large robotic signature implies either a large moa or large group

 

 

saying "its the Grineer" makes sense a lot of times the Grineer bases are taken over or something please think

[Darzok]

Its the same as people been stupid and saying stuff like.

 

Preheat the oven it makes no sense the oven is heated or unheated you can not preheat it.

Near miss again its nonsense thats a collision is a near miss.

Then we got stupid people saying get on when it should be get in you get on a bike you get in a plane.

 

It is just things people say and given how she is an AI i guess its how she was made.

Edited July 7, 2014 by Darzok

[Skynin]

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Isn't she says about enemies reinforcements?

[Gintoki-Zero]

Survival missions on planets.clearly outside but you still need oxygen canisters

[Tarille]

Reinforcements on the way references enemy reinforcements.

 

I.E. More bad dudes are coming.

 

"Find the source of the infestation and eliminate it" = The source is the derelict, eliminating it is killing what's there and thus preventing the infested in that derelict from being able to travel to planets and spread.

 

Asking you to return to the field is because the pauses at the end of intercept rounds is you being asked if you want to be extracted then and there, in this case "Returning to the field" means go back to fighting and not be extracted.

 

Stating that "It's the Grineer" can be useful especially with the amount of Infested and Corpus invasions can take place (Though, that doesn't happen in missions other than derelicts where the Grineer can attack)

 

"There's a large robotic signature ahead" is not a reference to the size of the robots, it's reference to their being a large group of robots (Which when about 50% of the Corpus is robots, can be quite large amounts)

 

Telling you about the enemy while you're fighting is down to her having to do research based off what she sees the boss doing. Because lorewise you're not farming the boss repeatedly - You're going in for the first time each time you fight him (It's one of those gameplay things that makes bosses really strange to have - You kill them but then can keep fighting them even though they should be dead)

 

But yeah... The English language can be confusing and interpreted in many different ways.

[Revel72]

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[unmog]

heh, Ive asked all these same questions. But the answer really is "its beta," Maybe shes talking about stuff they plan to implement, but more than likely she's just there to pop up and say something to fill dead air time so people feel theyre actually a part of something

 

It would be nice if those reinforcements actually did show up in between waves though :(

[Zantos54]

Reinforcements on the way references enemy reinforcements.

 

I.E. More bad dudes are coming.

 

"Find the source of the infestation and eliminate it" = The source is the derelict, eliminating it is killing what's there and thus preventing the infested in that derelict from being able to travel to planets and spread.

 

Asking you to return to the field is because the pauses at the end of intercept rounds is you being asked if you want to be extracted then and there, in this case "Returning to the field" means go back to fighting and not be extracted.

 

Stating that "It's the Grineer" can be useful especially with the amount of Infested and Corpus invasions can take place (Though, that doesn't happen in missions other than derelicts where the Grineer can attack)

 

"There's a large robotic signature ahead" is not a reference to the size of the robots, it's reference to their being a large group of robots (Which when about 50% of the Corpus is robots, can be quite large amounts)

 

Telling you about the enemy while you're fighting is down to her having to do research based off what she sees the boss doing. Because lorewise you're not farming the boss repeatedly - You're going in for the first time each time you fight him (It's one of those gameplay things that makes bosses really strange to have - You kill them but then can keep fighting them even though they should be dead)

 

But yeah... The English language can be confusing and interpreted in many different ways.

Except she says Hold the line, reinforcements are on the way. Its not what shes saying in that situation but How. How she says it implies that we have reinforcements on the way. Usually if its enemy reinforcements, she will clarify that there are enemys on the way. The same thing with the extraction team. I never see them no matter how long we are there, though its likely and beliveable that they appear after we leave.

 

There's a large robotic signature being played doesn't make sense anyway. Even if there isn't one giant robot that its talking about, there never really is a large amount. I mean, a signature usually referes to 1. If there was more then one, it Should say signatures and be worded differently. Even then there may or may not be any robots ahead.

 

I cannot agree with your thinking on the source of the infestation. How is the derelict istelf the source? We don't find a hive in there to kill. We don't find the breeding grounds of the infestation. We don't find anything in there that is creating them. We simply eliminate what's already there and never figure out what is there creating them or how.

 

Again with the return to the field, cannot agree. Return and remain are two very different terms. Return implies that you have left and are going back. Remain implies you are there and wish to continue to be there. She should say will you remain in the field, not will you return to the field. Or change it to will you return to the fight.

 

I know stateing its the grineer can be useful in those situations, but saying it while we are in their base is not as useful.

 

Her having to see what he does in order to tell us is a bit of a stretch. Before we go there, she has information on who and what they are. She obviously has done the research. If she is only able to tell us stuff about him when she sees him, then its really pointless since at that point, we can do the same but to a better extent since we are in combat with him.

Edited July 7, 2014 by Zantos54

[Tarille]

Except she says Hold the line, reinforcements are on the way. Its not what shes saying in that situation but How. How she says it implies that we have reinforcements on the way. Usually if its enemy reinforcements, she will clarify that there are enemys on the way. The same thing with the extraction team. I never see them no matter how long we are there, though its likely and beliveable that they appear after we leave.

 

"Hold the line, reinforcements are on the way" can be taken to mean you need to hold the line because enemy reinforcements are on the way.

 

One of the quirks of the English language - It can be interpreted that you are getting reinforcements and need to hold the line while they come or that you need to hold the line because of enemy reinforcements.

 

I'd assume the extraction team would be the team who's flying the ships you extract in?

 

 

There's a large robotic signature being played doesn't make sense anyway. Even if there isn't one giant robot that its talking about, there never really is a large amount. I mean, a signature usually referes to 1. If there was more then one, it Should say signatures and be worded differently. Even then there may or may not be any robots ahead.

 

It does make sense. A large robotic signature can mean a single large robot - I.E. A single signature that is large.

 

It can also mean a large number of robots - A clump of signatures that for some reason or another (Either because of density, proximity or due to the shared AI) is referred to as singular entity.

Depending on how accurate the scanning is (Especially when there's a lot of computers and such around the place and personal shield generators on each corpus unit) saying "There are multiple robotic signatures ahead" might not be plausible.

 

The issue with their not being robots when it's said can be attributed to random spawns in a lot of missions (Especially in non-exterminate missions where things can spawn behind you while you progress forward and never see them)

 

 

I cannot agree with your thinking on the source of the infestation. How is the derelict istelf the source? We don't find a hive in there to kill. We don't find the breeding grounds of the infestation. We don't find anything in there that is creating them. We simply eliminate what's already there and never figure out what is there creating them or how.

 

It depends on how you take the meaning of "Source"

 

You take it to mean the place where infested are being produced from a hive like Alad V did on his experimental ships.

 

It can be taken to mean the place where infested are coming from to attack planets/ships - In which case the derelict itself is the "Source" of the infestation - The infested are on the derelict and are coming from it to go to other places. The infested have not gotten much lore about how they actually re-create. The only information we have is based off how Alad V created his special kind of infested and infested ships (The Breeding Grounds and Hives) - The fact that we've not seen hives outside of Alad V's ships (Including in the derelict housing Lephantis who appears to be a leader of sorts with sentience and the ability to communicate) suggests that they are not necessary in order to spread the virus and re-produce new infested.

 

 

Again with the return to the field, cannot agree. Return and remain are two very different terms. Return implies that you have left and are going back. Remain implies you are there and wish to continue to be there. She should say will you remain in the field, not will you return to the field. Or change it to will you return to the fight.

 

Another quirk of the English language. Returning to the field can infact be used as a term even without having physically left the place in question.

 

It's bizarre, but acceptable usage of the term.

 

 

I know stateing its the grineer can be useful in those situations, but saying it while we are in their base is not as useful.

 

Currently with no chance of other factions interacting with the missions, then yes it's not very useful to state.

 

If the possibility of mid-mission invasions does occur, then stating "It's the Grineer" while on a Grineer battalion, can actually be useful.

 

As it stands, it seems to be one of those non-helpful things she states (Like "Don't stand in the fire" which I guess after doing some rescue mission might give an indication on why she might think that's necessary to state...)

 

 

Her having to see what he does in order to tell us is a bit of a stretch. Before we go there, she has information on who and what they are. She obviously has done the research. If she is only able to tell us stuff about him when she sees him, then its really pointless since at that point, we can do the same but to a better extent since we are in combat with him.

 

It's all about how much research she can do before hand.

 

She might only be able to find out the name and rank of said boss, perhaps a couple of methods of fighting too. She might not be able to find out how they interact with their surroundings in their own ship/base.

 

As far as telling us mid-way through the fight - It's a lot easier to understand information when you are currently seeing it as well as being told it rather than being told it while you're concentrating on fighting your way to the boss beforehand. Not to mention she might be able to scan to see exactly why things happen (Such as any invulnerable phases or weak spots that open - Being able to point them out as they happen is nice, especially for people who aren't as knowledgeable about mechanics and such and might not know why the boss suddenly stopped taking damage or did something)

[10twenty4]

The dialog in this game is pretty bad. It, along with the rest of the 'story' all just feels really improvised, like there isn't any sort of specific plan. Does DE have a fulltime writer?

[Zantos54]

The dialog in this game is pretty bad. It, along with the rest of the 'story' all just feels really improvised, like there isn't any sort of specific plan. Does DE have a fulltime writer?

Dunno. I have noticed this a lot as well. I found great interest in the tenno and warframe and wanted to know their back story just to find out there either isn't any, or its an unconfirmed / highly debated sequel / spiritual successor / origninal intentions of dark sector.

 

Just from basic knowledge the lotus is a very confusing character in not only what she says to me, including the tone it takes, but in the fact there si no information on her. We know nothing of her past, her intentions, or if shes alone / part of a larger organization. She also refers to us several times but seem to do so in varying ways. When going against Alad V she says that our warframe will be torn apart and its parts used in his research. She makes no mention as to if we are seperate beings inside. Her dialogue is just in general confusing to me.