Pendragon1951 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I've been playing for over a year now with over a 1000 hours of game time and in all that time the matra has always been if you play against infested on defense missions don't use Snowglobe if your frost for the simple reason if you Snowglobe the pod and infested get in it prevents supporting fire from outside the globe where usually players are standing in a higher area, unless of course your trying to level up a melee weapon then your down below. Another new thing that has happen with the changes to Nova's MPrime is the interesting, and I have to admit, sometimes amusing bug that the DEVs have kept in the game of if you equip Overextended it gives the enemy super speed. Now while amusing IMHO I don't think it's very smart to give an enemy like the infested a better chance to overwhelm you or even get to the pod faster. I understand many of these, Nova-O we'll call them, players hate to wait and are impatient but it makes no tactical or strategic sense to want a enemy to close with you faster at least to me anyway. Since I have played the game my thought has always been protect the pod and keep the enemy away. Unfortunately I think what gets in the way of this thinking is "gotta have those kills". Just my personal thoughts on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) I dislike the m-prime speedup because it screws around with enemy hitboxes, especially if there's latency, and it doesn't just affect guns. It affects abilities like Tempest Barrage to a great extent. A lot of people don't seem to understand that not everyone likes the speedup, and not everyone cares about waiting a few seconds for enemies to arrive. No point complaining about it. The only solution is to leave if you don't like it, because telling other people how not to play is kinda rude. Even if it stops you from having fun. That's how it goes. Edited July 7, 2014 by AdunSaveMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)PhantomZod Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) Speed Nova + NYX and/or Vauban gets you to wave 40 in no time...I've done speed Nova with a couple of NYX to wave 80 without trying! The whole point of ODD (to me) is to either get as high as possible quickly or level frames/weapons quickly so NYX and Nova in this config make it enjoyable...lets face it, after 1000 ODD's, it's generally laborious and dull! Snow globes on the other hand have no place in ODD....urgh... Edited July 7, 2014 by (PS4)PhantomZod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sharp_Demonologist Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) Well you can always increase the range of Snowglobe so you can slow a mayor area around the globe. I have seen some really insanely sized Snoglobes in my time Edited July 7, 2014 by The_Sharp_Demonologist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me.KayOh Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 - snowglobe prevents outside fire entering regardless of faction. it still gives the enemy a speed debuff...but i dont see the problem with snowglobe anywhere or against any faction. its simply the elitist mentality which dictates that "whatever they say, goes." its rude and discriminating. - Fast Nova is actually a nice idea, but only in certain situations. I wont recommend taking fast Nova to the void. But again you play however you wish as long as you can be successful doing it, because your teammates will be successful too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I agree with Snowglobe. There is too many of Frost Primes in Dark Sectors and they all spam bubble constantly. I dont even bother with explaining them anymore why bubble is bad for Infested. As for Nova fast forward MP, i have to say that FF MP is great power when combined with strong cc frame. You simply dont have to wait for mobs to come to you in defense missions, as they swarm you in seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendragon1951 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 I mean I understand that people hate waiting and want to rush through to get to a higher wave quicker and it really doesn't bother me personally because you adjust your play style, I'm just talking from a strategic and tactical point of view it just doesn't make sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I mean I understand that people hate waiting and want to rush through to get to a higher wave quicker and it really doesn't bother me personally because you adjust your play style, I'm just talking from a strategic and tactical point of view it just doesn't make sense to me. Depends on strategy to be honest. On some maps you can exploit Vortex as they have excellent choke points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)ElZilcho Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 People using SG on infested defense should be shot, but there's no friendly fire to do it. I think it's because they still think Frost is some god-tier defense frame in all situations and that SG is his only skill. it's too bad they just don't realize what a huge problem a giant snowglobe (and it's always huge) creates. Speed up M-Prime is amusing, useful, or trolly, depending. It's good if people want it, but awful for them if they weren't expecting it. I like that it's a possibility either way. Well you can always increase the range of Snowglobe so you can slow a mayor area around the globe. I have seen some really insanely sized Snoglobes in my time I don't believe range effects the slow radius. Narrowminded on SG actually makes it slow enemies outside of it. I don't know why more people don't do that. It's really amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Speed Nova + NYX and/or Vauban gets you to wave 40 in no time...I've done speed Nova with a couple of NYX to wave 80 without trying! Depends on strategy to be honest. On some maps you can exploit Vortex as they have excellent choke points. As for Nova fast forward MP, i have to say that FF MP is great power when combined with strong cc frame. You simply dont have to wait for mobs to come to you in defense missions, as they swarm you in seconds. Except a lot of people do it without a CC frame regardless. That's the problem. And it really just kinda ruins the fun for some. But you ain't allowed to say anything about it, cos it's a perfect strategy, right? What if I want to play ODD at the normal pace? And it still messes with hitboxes and a lot of abilities. I mean I'm all for enjoying the game, but at the expense of others? And they just get told to suck it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendragon1951 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 Yes when I use Booben against infested I use Vortex alot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajko Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 It's not the worst thing ever, but I don't care for the snow globes on OOD very much. It'd be better if they were put around the two access points to the pod, rather than on the pod, since it forces everyone into playing melee. So far, every time this scenario has popped up for me, nobody was planning to do it melee style, except maybe the Frost, who didn't mention anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalu__Ka Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Here we go again... Not everyone plays the same, deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Except a lot of people do it without a CC frame regardless. That's the problem. And it really just kinda ruins the fun for some. But you ain't allowed to say anything about it, cos it's a perfect strategy, right? What if I want to play ODD at the normal pace? And it still messes with hitboxes and a lot of abilities. I mean I'm all for enjoying the game, but at the expense of others? And they just get told to suck it up. Simple and easy solution for every "Frame" or "Weapon" related issue is to go with clan or preset group. If you play online, they you must adapt. Or should everyone adapt to your playstyle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendragon1951 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 yes correct not everyone plays the same, but at the core it should somehow make strategic sense don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methanoid Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Well you can always increase the range of Snowglobe so you can slow a mayor area around the globe. I have seen some really insanely sized Snoglobes in my time the slow zone never increases in size, its always 5m, always has been, only the projectile stopper can alter size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Simple and easy solution for every "Frame" or "Weapon" related issue is to go with clan or preset group. If you play online, they you must adapt. Or should everyone adapt to your playstyle? Why should everyone adapt to my playstyle? Why should I adapt to everyone else's playstyle? Same logic. Here we go again... Not everyone plays the same, deal with it. If it didn't affect people as much as it does it wouldn't be a problem for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)DesecratedFlame Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Why are you that far away from the defense point anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Pinger Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I've been playing for over a year now with over a 1000 hours of game time and in all that time the matra has always been if you play against infested on defense missions don't use Snowglobe if your frost for the simple reason if you Snowglobe the pod and infested get in it prevents supporting fire from outside the globe where usually players are standing in a higher area, unless of course your trying to level up a melee weapon then your down below. Another new thing that has happen with the changes to Nova's MPrime is the interesting, and I have to admit, sometimes amusing bug that the DEVs have kept in the game of if you equip Overextended it gives the enemy super speed. Now while amusing IMHO I don't think it's very smart to give an enemy like the infested a better chance to overwhelm you or even get to the pod faster. I understand many of these, Nova-O we'll call them, players hate to wait and are impatient but it makes no tactical or strategic sense to want a enemy to close with you faster at least to me anyway. Since I have played the game my thought has always been protect the pod and keep the enemy away. Unfortunately I think what gets in the way of this thinking is "gotta have those kills". Just my personal thoughts on this. quoted so I could read what you typed. Combination frame abilities, over extended Mprime to make mobs move faster into Vaubans Vortex Again extended to make mobs run to a choke point you canspam rockets/nades/aoe skills so each shot/ability use hits the maximum cap Its thinking out of the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7grims Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Those "narrow mind" frosts have always annoyed me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) You can't argue about this. Everyone thinks they're right, and it's a problem that's going to continue for a long time. You're not supposed to tell people how to play or force them to change their playstyle, but the fact of the matter is this mprime speedup is forcing people to change their playstyle. Whether they want to or not. It's as simple as that. Snowglobing the pod is a bit silly, too, in my opinion. Edited July 7, 2014 by AdunSaveMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Why should everyone adapt to my playstyle? Why should I adapt to everyone else's playstyle? Same logic. If it didn't affect people as much as it does it wouldn't be a problem for them. As i already said, dont go Online if you cannot handle people using frames as they see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 As i already said, dont go Online if you cannot handle people using frames as they see fit. That's ridiculous. Sorry. There is no other frame that affects things like this. Just telling people to deal with it is unfair. You don't want people forcing the speedup novas to change how they play? Maybe the speedup novas should stop forcing people to change how they play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdart Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Snowglobe is really annoying sometimes when a horde of enemies manages to ignore all 4 people in the mission and go straight for the pod/console and you shoot at them and LOL SNOWGLOBE while you are outside of it and you forget for that split second that you can't shoot INTO the snowglobe. It REALLY sucks when you use a projectile based weapon like Penta though, JESUS CHRIST. If snowglobe did cold damage ticks over time while enemies were inside of it, I'd fully forgive and welcome Snowglobe. That speedup nova thing only helps the mission imo. Worried about getting swarmed? Dude, jump on a box or two or a small ledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajko Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) Could be solved really easily if the squad would chat about strategy while getting ready. It's not so bad if the team knows it's going to be snowglobe, or speed up, but if we are gonna play speed up I'll want to know to plan accordingly, or if we are going to globe the pod, I'll bring melee gear to level, etc. With the persistence of squads through key-gated missions coming up, there might actually be incentives to talking team work in the near future. Or you can be like RoboDoge, and just trolololol I suppose... Edited July 7, 2014 by Rajko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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